.Rai Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 This is YCM's collaborative cube project. I'll add more details later, but, for now, drop a comment if you're interested, and maybe any initial ideas you have. Here are also some questions to answer, if you wish. What power level do you want the cube to be at? Break or keep singleton? Themed or themeless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 funk. I remember that logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Did it really take so long because you were making a logo? Jesus Rai. Never change~ nvm dae ninja'd, apparently it's old. IMO, keeping it singleton is the best, it makes every draft different and it allows for more variety in cards. I feel like 1 Incinerate, 1 Lighting Bolt, 1 Lava Spike is more elegant than 3 Lightning Bolt. If it goes for theme...well, what do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Will this cube be playable on Cockatrice? Also, I'm going to say around a Modern-format power level. Themes I like are Tribal. I also am partial to Reanimator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Will this cube be playable on Cockatrice? Also, I'm going to say around a Modern-format power level. Themes I like are Tribal.Well yeah, we'd draft it online (on Cube Tutor most likely) and then play on Cockatrice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 :P I'm always slow. I know that a a lot of people like to go into a cube with a specific goal in mind. It can work well, but so can just standard cubes. Cool ones I've seen were Jason Waddell going into building a cube designed to simulate the battlecruiser environment of Rise of the Eldrazi. Or cubes based round starting with 4 Brainstorm, and caring about library manipulation. Graveyard cubes, multicolour cubes. Etc. Regarding playability on Cockatrice, yes, we can theoretically play decks as such. Drafting is a bit more tricky, but there are ways to draft a cube by yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I think you can draft cubes on Tapped Out, so that solves a problem. Well, honestly, I'd like the cube to be somehow varied, so going aggro is as viable and possible as going reanimator or whatever. Though power-level wise, we shouldn't go too crazy I think. Like Shard said, keeping it around Modern, MAYBE a little more powerful would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Yeah, CubeTutor's great for hosting, and people can mock up decks and drafts there. We can host live drafts on TappedOut, but we'll have to test that. I've never used it before. I'm glad people are with me on power level. About Modern power level is where I wanna be. Not a big fan of the MTGO cubes. Way too powerful, and too many broken combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Like, I didn't see too much of my LGS's cube yet, but so far I saw only 2 dumb things that can happen, there's the Splinter Twin combo in it, and someone today drafted Rofellos + bunch of Elves + Upheaval. I mean, keeping it EXACTLY Modern-level sounds iffy, but have it at that + a few more powerful cards would be sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 ...you guys are weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I am all for high power in the cube. Let's put the damn moxes in. Nobody has to spend money, we may as well include the crazy sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Moxes are like the grossest cards though. Dunno why it's ever fun to have a cube where you just ignore an entire pack if you see a Mox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Thing is, the philosophy of "ignore the entire pack if you see a mox" doesn't really hold true. Sometimes there is a black lotus. Really though, moxes might be a tad far, but I see no reason to keep the power down, as long as we are mindful of the various combos within the cube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Eh, well, examples of what do you mean if not Moxes then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Modern power level's pretty high, to be honest. A Modern-level cube feels quite hefty for card quality. Filler is still minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Modern power level's pretty high, to be honest. A Modern-level cube feels quite hefty for card quality. Filler is still minimal.I mean, "Modern-level" doesn't mean we can't include stuff like Brainstorm and whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Personally, I've been bouncing around the idea for a cube project that emulates a "best of core sets" draft experience. - Only cards from core sets starting with M10.- Distribution of rarities across the cube similar to a pack (11/3/1).- Slower removal and more combat tricks/auras.- Defined archetypes for each color pair.- Non-singleton, but no more than 3 of a card in the cube. Although I'd love to work on something like that, I'd push for a cube size bigger than 360 (from my experience, cubes of that size can get stale quickly), and not make it singleton. And Modern-level sounds good. (y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Yeah. Brainstorm's not even that broke in Cube. It's good, but it's only when you stick it in an environment like Legacy where it becomes crazy. Edit: @Rinne: I like that idea too. Although there's only like two good core sets, draft-wise. It's gonna be like "Best of M11 and M13". I've seen the idea of expansion packs before, and of modular cubes. You build your cube from a number of 180-card packages, then combine them for subtly different draft experiences. Hard as balls to build though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Personally, I've been bouncing around the idea for a cube project that emulates a "best of core sets" draft experience. - Only cards from core sets starting with M10.- Distribution of rarities across the cube similar to a pack (11/3/1).- Slower removal and more combat tricks/auras.- Defined archetypes for each color pair.- Non-singleton, but no more than 3 of a card in the cube. Although I'd love to work on something like that, I'd push for a cube size bigger than 360 (from my experience, cubes of that size can get stale quickly), and not make it singleton. And Modern-level sounds good. (y)This sounds hella restrictive, even if just for the cardpool. Yeah. Brainstorm's not even that broke in Cube. It's good, but it's only when you stick it in an environment like Legacy where it becomes crazy.Yeah, that's the thing. So we should get something going, no? Honestly, I feel like a system where people propose cards to add and then we vote on them would work pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 This sounds hella restrictive, even if just for the cardpool. That's sort of the idea, lol. Bring people back to a time where Serra Angel could easily be in the top 3 picks from a pack. But that's probably going to be a personal project, so I'm fine with a Modern-legal cube with singletons. Still pushing for size between 420-450, though. @Rai: Lol, it's not just those. M15 and Origins seem to have some pretty good archetypes to draw upon, too. The M15 Satyr Wayfinder/Undergrowth Scavenger deck, in particular, I'd love to replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I've often found larger cubes to be a logistical nightmare. It effectively prohibits you from making any narrow archetypes, in fear of the relevant support cards not being in the pool. Edit: M15 and Origins were fine. Not bad, but not mindblowingly brilliant either. I think a core-set themed cube doesn't have to only include core set cards. The best Innistrad cube I've seen mimics the Innistrad draft environment, by supplementing it with tons of stuff from other sets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I feel like going for a 420+ cube would dillute it way too much, since there's only so many good cards you can build archetypes around, and if you want to have a larger cube AND still support them, suddenly you find yourself adding bad/mediocre cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 420's a bit more doable if we break singleton. I think the reduced variance makes up for stale cubes if we stick to 360 though. There are plenty of ways to make a cube go deep, even in just 360 cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 So, what archetypes we want? Also I wonder if we could make them a bit more subtle than just "UW this, UR this, GR this". Like, maybe give each color a specific tool it's gonna be the best at, and make the archetypes a bit more subtle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I just like the variety of not having all the parts of a given cube in a single draft. 1 in 7 cards gets removed if you have a 420 cube and draft with four people (360 cards), so you can't bank on seeing the same things every time. Adds a bit of excitement imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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