I'm sorry, I need to blow off steam.

[Resident Fascist]

I hate modern "Feminism". It's morphed from wanting equal rights to something completely toxic and cancerous, when any insane person on the internet can claim they are a feminist and spew some false statistics, simultaneously victimize themself and a large percentage of women in the process, and demonize the rest of the human population. Then any attempt to criticize their supposed research is met with screams of misogyny and perpetuating rape culture, whatever that means. 

 

Reading a collection of cringe posts made me finally blow my lid with this and I need to get sheet off my chest before I implode. modern Feminism isn't about equality, it's about discrimination. I fail to see any other way otherwise. These hypocrites state we should be accepting women for how they are, stop forcing unreal ideals onto them, and accept varying identities and sexualities, yet then call men basically every profanity in the book. All because they can hide behind a barrier of anything you say being sexist. If we are to be accepting of everyone for how they are, then that includes men, you funking idiots. It seems to have devolved into a massive shitfuck of buzzwords, someone doesn't like you because they criticize your sexist thesis and agenda? It must be the fault of those damn patriarchy perpetuating rapists! Because that doesn't make light of rape victims at all. In fact, Feminists love to spew the words rape wherever they feel like it is more disgusting than anything else they spew. Not only do they make light of real victims who have experienced the horrors of rape, they incorrectly assume every rape victim is a female being raped by a male. It's selective protection at best, disgusting sexism at worst.

 

 Modern Feminism seems to assume every man will grow up into a snarling woman hating, raping monster if he is not told he is trash because he has a penis, how dare he. Similar to the treatment of women being told they exist only to make babies and cook in the middle ages. Assuming every man will commit rape is essentially assuming that every Muslim is a terrorist, every German is a Neo-Nazi, it's guilty until proven innocent thinking, only to a Feminist, you are never innocent if you are male. It's always your fault. The fact people are paid money and supported by places to speak this perturbs me. They speak of ending perpetuation of hatred, yet spew equal amounts of opposite hatred with nearly every sentence they speak. It's upsetting. Is this truly the face of activism? A face of victimizing yourself, selling yourself out to publicity and claiming sexism when you are trying to end sexism?

 

 More importantly, it's bad for the real Feminists. The true ones that want equality, and nothing more. These fake Feminists give the real ones a bad name, and I'm honestly saddened by the fact we call this Feminism. Real Feminists tend to understand certain things should be divided by sex, after all, sexist or not, there are minor differences between us. Much less things than what currently appear to be divided by sex, mind you, but certain things. I have a large amount of respect for real rights activists who are just trying to make the world a better place. I have nothing but contempt for these fake men-hating clowns.

 

 I'm sorry, I had to get this of my chest. 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I agree.

 

I have started referring to it as "Feminism" with quotations.

[Tourmaline]

Oh boy Jordan. Imagine if we all ranted about large groups of idiots.

[Simping For Hina]

Those aren't feminists. Those are idiots.

[Lunar Origins]

Those aren't feminists. Those are idiots.

 

Literally this.

 

Modern-day feminism is nothing what you accuse it to be.  You're thinking of overly-militant misandrists who use the guise of 'feminism' to get buzz, and you're the fool for falling for them.

 

Ignore them.

[Tentacruel]

Eh, debating the logistics of who is a feminist and who isn't can get a bit sketchy.  A lot of these opinions exist and I do strongly disagree with them, but it wouldn't be fair to me to just disregard them as the crazies.  Some people have unpopular opinions, even nasty opinions.

 

Those people are still people though, and that's like, just my opinion man. 

[Slinky]

Anyone ever notice how "those" types of feminists are usually fat? Most likely self-esteem issues is what causes it. Guys generally won't go near them because of it, so they sheet on them in return.

[Sethera]

How I see it, is feminism started out to empower women. Not to bring anybody down, but to bring people up to equal levels.

Most of the feminists I know (of which I am one) only care about both males and females being equal, and they come from both genders. The name sounds a bit misleading, but it's really about both genders. If you want people of either gender to be treated with the same amount of respect and concern, then you agree with the feminist cause.

 

However, the extremists that call themselves "feminists" when they're nothing more than hatemongers...these give actual feminists a bad name. And then people backlash against them and lump them in with actual feminists, and suddenly people like me get yelled at for calling themselves feminists. I've been called all sorts of names for labeling myself a feminist, because people assume feminism = misandry nowadays.

 

Misandrists suck. Anybody that puts somebody down for something they were born with, whether it be race, gender, sexuality, etc, sucks. But don't lump those people in with feminists, because they're not. They're just haters that label themselves feminists to put a veneer of justice over their bile.

[EHN.]

Anyone ever notice how "those" types of feminists are usually fat? Most likely self-esteem issues is what causes it. Guys generally won't go near them because of it, so they s*** on them in return.

 

That is an incredible assumption to make with so little evidence. 

[Tentacruel]

Anyone ever notice how "those" types of feminists are usually fat? Most likely self-esteem issues is what causes it. Guys generally won't go near them because of it, so they sheet on them in return.

Nah man, that sheet ain't fair.  You know how it annoying it is when people associate overweight men and being a woman-hating neck-beard.  

[Yellow Jacket]

Feminist seems to garner too much attention now. Reason why me and my friends refer to ourselves as Equalists.

[Slinky]

Nah man, that sheet ain't fair.  You know how it annoying it is when people associate overweight men and being a woman-hating neck-beard.  

 

That actually happens? This is actually the first time I've actually even heard of this.

 

 

That is an incredible assumption to make with so little evidence. 

 

It's not really an assumption. I could have worded it better tbh. Most encounters I've had with "that" kind of feminist involved a fat woman. So, that's where that's coming from, at least from my end.

 

 

More importantly though. Women want equality? Sure. No problem, but don't turn around and expect to be treated like a princess. That's just blatant entitlement, and you can't have it both ways. Encountered too many women with that kind of attitude. I'll oblige every now and then if I feel like it, but don't start bossing me around as if you were royalty when you aren't. Not exactly sure what this has to do with this at all, but just felt the need to actually say it.

[EHN.]

It's not really an assumption. I could have worded it better tbh. Most encounters I've had with "that" kind of feminist involved a fat woman. So, that's where that's coming from, at least from my end.

 

I was referring to the self-esteem part. Claiming something about a particular body of people based on what you have experienced alone and coming up with an equally unprofound reason for it just seems a bit far fetched. 

[Yellow Jacket]

Back in the '40s woman wanted to be just like men. As Carlos Mencia said: "You don't want to be treated as an equal, you want to be PAID like a man but be treated as a WOMAN."

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Literally this.

 

Modern-day feminism is nothing what you accuse it to be.  You're thinking of overly-militant misandrists who use the guise of 'feminism' to get buzz, and you're the fool for falling for them.

 

Ignore them.

I may have missed something but they looked to be referring to that type of feminism, and not actual feminism. Calling them a fool when they specifically point out that particular group is quite ignorant.

[Sethera]

Women wanting to be treated specially is just reinforcing sex roles, imo, like back when we would open doors for them and things like that. Anybody who wants special treatment isn't endorsing equality of any sorts, but privilege. Feminists don't want privilege. As I said, it started as women coming from the bottom rung of the ladder climbing to stand on equal ground with men, not to stand above them.

 

Anybody specifically asking for privilege doesn't understand the whole idea of "equality" and treating people with respect no matter who or what they are. It's also an insult to refer to these types of people as feminists when the very idea of privilege is opposed to equality, which is what true feminists preach.

[Lunar Origins]

I may have missed something but they looked to be referring to that type of feminism, and not actual feminism. Calling them a fool when they specifically point out that particular group is quite ignorant.

 

You're ignorant, you ignoramus.

 

It's not a type of feminism.  Can you read?  It's misandry using a different label.  They're complaining about misandry and dragging feminism into the equation - real feminism does not include that, no matter what claimed labels may be.  Get it right.

[Simping For Hina]

Can I just say that these assumptions are pointless and aren't going to help how the term feminism has taken a turn for the worse with people putting bad ideas in association to a good concept. There isn't anything we can do, anything that we can say, or anything that will change anything. These people are putting an ill idea across that is worsening the fight for equality while we are going to let it happen by not looking at it civil and trying to put a problem or a body image to this movement. The people involved are not the same, but their actions are. That is the problem, not the people involved but what the entire movement is about.

 

I don't care what they call themselves or what the group is composed. I care that this movement exists, where people believe that these women should be entitled to more because of a stereotype of man. I am also against how they present themselves over the whole idea.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

You're ignorant, you ignoramus.

 

It's not a type of feminism.  Can you read?  It's misandry using a different label.  They're complaining about misandry and dragging feminism into the equation - real feminism does not include that, no matter what claimed labels may be.  Get it right.

No need to get angry about it, I don't think ignorant is bad word really.

And semantics. My point is they aren't saying that feminism is bad, they're saying that specific thing, no matter how it's called, is wrong.

 

Whatever the correct label that's all that there is. I don't appreciate you being rude to them simply on the basis of calling it what it's generally called. They even went out of their way to explain what it was they actually were referring to.

 

If you want to try and "educate people" please try and be more calm and polite, not rant at someone for a term you don't agree with.

[Lunar Origins]

No need to get angry about it, I don't think ignorant is bad word really.

And semantics. My point is they aren't saying that feminism is bad, they're saying that specific thing, no matter how it's called, is wrong.

 

Whatever the correct label that's all that there is. I don't appreciate you being rude to them simply on the basis of calling it what it's generally called. They even went out of their way to explain what it was they actually were referring to.

 

If you want to try and "educate people" please try and be more calm and polite, not rant at someone for a term you don't agree with.

 

I can be rude to who I want, when I want.  I am entitled to act in whichever manner I do so desire.  If you don't like my choice of words, then by all means, please ignore me.  My calling Shard foolish for paying mind to a senseless lynch mob of people who don't even matter is justified because I can say it, and because I feel right in saying it.  I do not have to hold back my words to avoid hurting people's feelings.

[Simping For Hina]

I would like to mention that feminism, in theory, should be about promoting each and every social group to the point of equality for all. Not just women. And no group should be held above others. This isn't feminism in that name, but people are taken upon that label to put forth this movement, and this movement isn't something that should be celebrated or coined with praise. I am not putting a name to this group, whether it be misandry. In practice, this is misandry, but there is more to what I have witnessed to it then the discrimination of men(man,etc).  The whole point that this movement is in existence for is shutting down the social structure of being a man while also trying to raise support as one sex appears stronger than the other.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I can be rude to who I want, when I want.  I am entitled to act in whichever manner I do so desire.  If you don't like my choice of words, then by all means, please ignore me.  My calling Shard foolish for paying mind to a senseless lynch mob of people who don't even matter is justified because I can say it, and because I feel right in saying it.  I do not have to hold back my words to avoid hurting people's feelings.

I don't think anyone is entitled to rudeness but okay. "If you don't like my choice of words". You're the one ranting about the choice of words in the OP. And so you have forfeited any chance at a calm discussion with your hypocrisy, thus I won't continue any further than this.

[Simping For Hina]

I can be rude to who I want, when I want.  I am entitled to act in whichever manner I do so desire.  If you don't like my choice of words, then by all means, please ignore me.  My calling Shard foolish for paying mind to a senseless lynch mob of people who don't even matter is justified because I can say it, and because I feel right in saying it.  I do not have to hold back my words to avoid hurting people's feelings.

Can I please ask you to calm down? Yes, you are entitled to act in such a manner, but that doesn't mean you should do so. You do not have to hold your words back to call others names or hurt back. It is childish and immature to do so, though. Instead of using language to harm others, use it to educate people and get a point across without bias. The problem I have with how you are acting about this entire thing is that you are not educating people on the entire thing to help them understand what the problem is, your causing more problems without caring about other people's definitions of the subject. The way to change someone's view isn't to call them stupid, but to help them learn what they do not understand.

[Lunar Origins]

I don't think anyone is entitled to rudeness but okay. "If you don't like my choice of words". You're the one ranting about the choice of words in the OP. And so you have forfeited any chance at a calm discussion with your hypocrisy, thus I won't continue any further than this.

 

top lel umad rekt

 

I would like to mention that feminism, in theory, should be about promoting each and every social group to the point of equality for all. Not just women. And no group should be held above others. This isn't feminism in that name, but people are taken upon that label to put forth this movement, and this movement isn't something that should be celebrated or coined with praise. I am not putting a name to this group, whether it be misandry. In practice, this is misandry, but there is more to what I have witnessed to it then the discrimination of men(man,etc).  The whole point that this movement is in existence for is shutting down the social structure of being a man while also trying to raise support as one sex appears stronger than the other.

 

This is one of the few sensible posts in this topic that actually discusses something intelligently.  You bring up an interesting point with the term being jumbled up and applied to it, even if it's not it.  I argue that this entire debate is ingrained in society, as we are very masucline vs. feminine, and masculine people are brought up taught that being feminine is bad and should never be forced upon them, whereas feminine people are raised to believe that masculine people themselves are evil.

[Simping For Hina]

I don't think anyone is entitled to rudeness but okay.

People are entitled to their tone and reaction. They are entitled to act like humans, and Kate is doing so. But just because people entitled to how they act doesn't mean that those people should act in such a way.

This is one of the few sensible posts in this topic that actually discusses something intelligently.  You bring up an interesting point with the term being jumbled up and applied to it, even if it's not it.  I argue that this entire debate is ingrained in society, as we are very masucline vs. feminine, and masculine people are brought up taught that being feminine is bad and should never be forced upon them, whereas feminine people are raised to believe that masculine people themselves are evil.

This is the type of conversation that should be started, and began if the structure of masculinity and femininity is going to become a structure of personality. People aren't either of these things, and masculinity (femininity included. I just don't like using "and" twice within a sentence.) aren't social traits. They are a barrier for people being treated as a person.