GarlandChaos Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I just saw this card today, and I was rather disappointed by its effect. Lore: When a face-up WATER monster you control is destroyed by battle or by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard: Special Summon the monsters destroyed and sent from the field to your Graveyard at that time, then inflict 500 damage to your opponent for each of those Special Summoned monsters. You can only activate 1 "Torrential Reborn" per turn. Really situational, and not really worth it, in my opinion. But what if it did this instead?: Torrential RebornTrap CardLore: When a face-up monster on the field would be sent to either player's Graveyard, each player Special Summons up to 5 monsters in their respective Graveyards. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Its already pretty good, destruction negation plus burn is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Soul Charge ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Really, mass Special Summoning is scurreh. Though, it does have that hilarious fail moment when the opponent uses it to win because they still get a Battle Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 The original seems pretty cool in my opinion, especially if you could trigger it yourself. Imagine Summoning 4 monsters with Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth, using Torrential Tribute or Dark Hole to clear the Field, then activating this. You've lost no Field advantage, your opponent's monsters are gone, you burn them foe 2500, AND you get to use the effects/attack with the monsters you summoned with Coelacanth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 It has some funny plays with Diamond Dust and Torrential, but the fact that it's situational and it needs a lot of destroyed WATERs to be effective is what makes this card meh. If a WATER version of Fire Kings did ever exist though, then this card would actually see some playability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 It has some funny plays with Diamond Dust and Torrential, but the fact that it's situational and it needs a lot of destroyed WATERs to be effective is what makes this card meh. If a WATER version of Fire Kings did ever exist though, then this card would actually see some playability.That is exactly why I made a major overhaul for its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 It would be banned on the grounds of multiple thousand OTKs, combos and loops? I'm not exactly sure why we would ever want a Soul Charge that goes off during the Battle Phase, or in your opponent's turn on the slight downside of they get some monsters too, but it won't matter because they lose the game the moment it resolves. I mean, it has little to no drawback, and if you take a look at cards like Rekindling and Soul Charge, making a card simultaneously better than both probably isn't a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 It would be banned on the grounds of multiple thousand OTKs, combos and loops?I'm pretty sure Lightsworns and such would have a field day with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 What in the world is this? You think giving each player up to 5 monsters out of the graveyard is fair? No.Go away. This card is thematically, and obviously, supposed to be used alongside Torrential Tribute, but it can protect you from Dark Hole and Raigeki too. It's far from useless, but there's few WATER decks to take advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Never. Bp soul charge? Yeah never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 So... basically..you went from an actual decent yet situational card for water decks... to being one of the most broken cards in the game... Yeah.. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Okay, to clarify on WHY I made the effect what it is: Basically, I saw the name, thought "Hey, this sounds like a reverse Torrential Tribute!", read the effect, thought "Dammit, that's disappointing.", and made the new effect. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuelSpectre Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Tell me, Monster Reborn is banned, Soul Charge is at 1, and Rekinding is at 1. All mass summon. I don't really care if you want to fix the flavor, just don't do it without making it "mass summon" which makes it broken. In a bad deck, you get out 5 super beaters. In pro decks, Tellars and Burning Abyss spam sheet like nobody's business. I would fix it, but my time is limited. *mini-rant over* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Minimania - Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 When a face-up monster on the field would be sent to either player's Graveyard, each player Special Summons up to 5 monsters in their respective Graveyards. So, when Synchro Summoning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 When a face-up monster on the field would be sent to either player's Graveyard, each player Special Summons up to 5 monsters in their respective Graveyards. So, when Synchro Summoning?It counts, so yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Sure, both players get up to 5 monsters which is bad enough hut then imagine said effects all going off when the monsters are all Special Summoned. It would become complete Chaos. My suggestion if anything is to drasticly tone down said effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I personally think the original one is fine. It is situational but it is fun to use. It also doesn't need to be used in nukes. Your opponent could be killing a single monster and you'd still make it live. It also might potentially miss the timing with something because of the "when" in the effect, but it still works with any kind of destruction in general so that's a plus. I came into the thread thinking your "what if" would simply be removing the "WATER" restriction on its usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Okay, to clarify on WHY I made the effect what it is: Basically, I saw the name, thought "Hey, this sounds like a reverse Torrential Tribute!", read the effect, thought "Dammit, that's disappointing.", and made the new effect. You're welcome.Doesn't the fact it counters Torrential Tribute accomplish that flavour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted June 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Doesn't the fact it counters Torrential Tribute accomplish that flavour?Yeah, you're right. Could a mod please lock this thread and forget it ever existed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 I never really understood why it's a Secret Rare.I mean, it's cool and all, but it's not THAT amazing.'Course, it's possible that it's only Secret because it parallels Torrential Tribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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