Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 I think you're missing the point: The only reason Future Fusion is remotely good is because it sends the Materials to the Graveyard. Remove that and the card is fair, but it'll never see play because you get no payoff whatsoever for 2 turns while it's extremely vulnerable to removal. People don't use Future Fusion for the Fusion Summon. They use it for the set-up, because the Fusion Summon TAKES TOO LONG. If you don't send the Materials, the card is effectively nerfed, but now it's unplayable. You can't really errata Future Fusion without changing it into a near-useless card. I'm going to disagree and say it depends on the fusion. It would put pressure on the opponent as MST bait. It's far weaker but that's the point. It's like Broken noted...we don't want to have a Chaos Emperor Dragon where the errata is still easily a top 10 card in the game. Going Sinister Serpent is preferable. @Broke The only reason I mention banishing, is it was suggested for Painful Choice, opponent chooses one for you, you banish the rest. Tried to carry it over to FuFu, the deck thin is something right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 No. In Painful Choice it's still a 0. You might have lost 4 cards, but your deck can probably deal with that loss and most likely capitalize on the banish somehow. But point is, you're getting something immediately. With FF, unless it's an instant summon, you just tossed away a number of cards that are most likely unreachable to wait 2 turns for a Fusion Summon. FF has never been about the thin, it's been about loading your grave up. That's why Dragons actually ran FGD, to mill 5 cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 No. In Painful Choice it's still a 0. You might have lost 4 cards, but your deck can probably deal with that loss and most likely capitalize on the banish somehow. But point is, you're getting something immediately. With FF, unless it's an instant summon, you just tossed away a number of cards that are most likely unreachable to wait 2 turns for a Fusion Summon. FF has never been about the thin, it's been about loading your grave up. That's why Dragons actually ran FGD, to mill 5 cards. In that case, Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the specific Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on that Fusion Monster Card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card. Its effectively the same as the adding the Prisma Ruling. Sleepy could you explain your errata to me, I think I misunderstood it That's the only viable one I can think of. I guess you guys are right, but then again Konami was perfectly happy to make Exchange of Spirit trash so who knows....OCG likely wont even get any Erratas this list, its look like Construct, Goyo, and MoF from the the context clues. Sorry, just a thought experiment on my part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 The errata I suggested was to be able to still work with all Fusions, be it generic or specific listed materials. Though, with the addition of only being able to mill the minimum amount of Fusion Materials needed for Fusions. This means that most Fusions like HEROs, Blue-Eyes Ultimate, Dark Paladin, etc. will work the same. On the other hand, cards like: Chimeratech Overdragon Frightfur Tiger etc. The ones that say "+ 1 or more bla bla monsters" in their requirements. The ones that allow people to dump their entire deck to the Graveyard. To have those able to only dump the least amount of materials needed. For example: Chimeratech Overdragon would only be able to dump 1 Cyber Dragon + 1 lonely single Machine-Type. Frightfur Tiger/Wolf would also not be able to go for 10+ materials like it'd be able to under unchanged Future Fusion. That's what I meant. To put it short, a more fragile and pretty much generic "Shadoll Fusion"-like effect for all Fusion Monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Ugh Five Head, Omni Heros and Shaddolls are my worry then, how about 1 listed material + least number? Alternatively we could see if the list does indeed rape Heroes and write off Dragons as powercreeped, but that holds back the design of Dragons like rulers did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 This can only stay banned., i know roids would love this back but this REALLY needs to stay banned. Becoming like prisma makes it trash, end of story. If something like fluffals or infernoid got this, this card might go back to 0 sooner than you can say "what?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Better bad than banned. Why should Traditional have to suffer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Because it's Traditional, if you're willing to suffer every banned card at one then you have no right to complain. Also, better banned than bad. I wouldn't want to see FF being pushed back into the game like some lobotomised monster. That's a supreme blow to the card's dignity that it really doesn't need or deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Pro version:Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck that lists Fusion Material Monsters with actual names when you activate this card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, Banish the Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on that Fusion Monster Card from your Main Deck, and if you do, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card.Doesn't mill stuff right away.Banishes the Materials.Only works with Fusion Monsters that list oddly specific monsters.Special Summons, rather then Fusion Summons, so it denys any abusive plays.etcetcI've nerfed it into oblivion =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Pro version: Doesn't mill stuff right away. Banishes the Materials. Only works with Fusion Monsters that list oddly specific monsters. Special Summons, rather then Fusion Summons, so it denys any abusive plays. etc etc I've nerfed it into oblivion =D Actually if it would take the two turns before the monsters are send, then it would be kinda balanced, as the setup would be extremely slow and the card would most likely be blown up before that time arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Woah!! That's it. Make the mill happen in 2 turn!!! It can never hit 3 then tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 I don't see the big deal with it... sure, it may make it much worse but then so what? It would make the older, weaker cards and archetypes possibly better, is that a really a bad thing? The main problem I have with it is that Konami would likely make some deck that used Fusions with specific materials that would be really stupid still with this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Woah!! That's it. Make the mill happen in 2 turn!!! It can never hit 3 then tho...Why not just leave it@0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 I don't see the big deal with it... sure, it may make it much worse but then so what? It would make the older, weaker cards and archetypes possibly better, is that a really a bad thing? The main problem I have with it is that Konami would likely make some deck that used Fusions with specific materials that would be really stupid still with this card. It would also allow infernoids to instantly mill every single monster out of their deck (not counting non-infernoids). (frightfur setup, as well as shaddoll abuses would also be possible, also D/D could instantly ready 2 ragnaroks for kali yuga plays, underworld dragonecro alloows to mill 2 zombies, F.G.D. should be obvious, pair cycroid can send two copies of the same machine, panzer dragon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:pyramid:. Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Reveal 1 fusion monster in your extra deck. During the second standby phase after this cards activation, banish from your main deck, the fusion materials listed on the fusion monster card.Then if you banished all the fusion materials, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card. Sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 You took a god damn shit on the card. Combine Sleepy's errata with the mill when summoned. That balances the card. Sure Future Fusion can mill 5 dragon...if you keep it alive 2 turns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Reveal 1 Fusion monster from your Extra deck that lists exactly 2 named materials. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, banish as many copies of the listed materials from your Main Deck as possible and Special Summon the revealed Fusion monster. When this card is destroyed, destroy that monster. When that monster is destroyed, destroy this card. When either this card or the monster summoned by its effect leaves the field: Your Life Points become 0. There, as that's the way this is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 You took a god damn s*** on the card. Combine Sleepy's errata with the mill when summoned. That balances the card. Sure Future Fusion can mill 5 dragon...if you keep it alive 2 turns I like this idea 10x more than making the card utter shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Future Fusion: Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation: Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the fewest number of Fusion Material Monsters required for that Fusion Summon. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card. Is this better guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Future Fusion: Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation: Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the fewest number of Fusion Material Monsters required for that Fusion Summon. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card. Is this better guys? It doesn't matter if it's better than the other terrible errata proposals because it is simply then the least terrible errata of an absolutely terrible selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 I'd rather it not be erratad and just let it be unbanned in a format where its a fair card in comparison to the current decks. Then atleast it wouldnt be useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 Future Fusion: Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation: Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the fewest number of Fusion Material Monsters required for that Fusion Summon. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card. Is this better guys? So take the best errata in this thread And take a SHIT on it. That's pretty much what this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 [font='Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][background=#ffffff]Future Fusion: [/font][/background] Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation: Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the fewest number of Fusion Material Monsters required for that Fusion Summon. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card. Is this better guys? I actually really like this. Ignore all the other people, they are just arguing for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 It would be fine as a different card. No need for everything to be errata'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 So take the best errata in this thread And take a s*** on it. That's pretty much what this is. No, this is the best Errata - letting Frightfur dump their whole deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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