Future Fusion "Errata"

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on that Fusion Monster Card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card.

 

With all the cards made to mimic this card's effect, most people don't realize one simple fact.

 

 

Elemental Hero Prisma just got a simple ruling to only work with listed Material. Tack this ruling onto FuFu and I see a pretty fair card.

 

Once per turn: You can reveal 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, then send 1 of the Fusion Materials listed on that card from your Main Deck to the Graveyard; this card's name becomes the sent monster's until the End Phase.

[evilfusion]

Hmm, that would have good and bad things happen. On one hand, it would eliminate the majority of the random dump strategies this card was used for. On the other hand, Konami has started making the majority of Fusion monsters have semi-generic Materials (which is a good thing), so if it did get an errata like that, it would more or less go from brokenly powerful to outright obsolete because most Fusions don't use specifically named monsters for all of the Materials.

 

The Frightfurs even have been branching out, and only Bear needed 2 specific Materials. The others only need the specific Edge Imp, so it wouldn't be usable in Des-Toys. Shaddolls and HEROs won't be able to make good use of it anymore.

 

These could be considered positives, but that sort of errata would, as far as I see, do a complete reversal with this card's power level, going from too strong to too weak.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Hmm, that would have good and bad things happen. On one hand, it would eliminate the majority of the random dump strategies this card was used for. On the other hand, Konami has started making the majority of Fusion monsters have semi-generic Materials (which is a good thing), so if it did get an errata like that, it would more or less go from brokenly powerful to outright obsolete because most Fusions don't use specifically named monsters for all of the Materials.

 

The Frightfurs even have been branching out, and only Bear needed 2 specific Materials. The others only need the specific Edge Imp, so it wouldn't be usable in Des-Toys. Shaddolls and HEROs won't be able to make good use of it anymore.

 

These could be considered positives, but that sort of errata would, as far as I see, do a complete reversal with this card's power level, going from too strong to too weak.

I mean if we make it so it has one listed material it might be too strong still. Card could go to 3 though and help.....Cyber Dragons?

[evilfusion]

Exactly the problem. It's a card that was designed back when Fusion was too specific to be good (and the fact it was printed alongside Overload Fusion and Chimeratech shows that they KNEW they worked in tandem and intended it to do so). Fusion needed to be given less specific Materials to be viable for the most part, and when they started making more Fusions that were semi-generic or outright generic, it just got worse from there.

 

Power creep has made Fusion archetypes powerful, and part of what helps them is the less specific Materials needed. So neutering Future Fusion will let it come off the list, but then it's nearly worthless because most older Fusions are obsolete.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Exactly the problem. It's a card that was designed back when Fusion was too specific to be good (and the fact it was printed alongside Overload Fusion and Chimeratech shows that they KNEW they worked in tandem and intended it to do so). Fusion needed to be given less specific Materials to be viable for the most part, and when they started making more Fusions that were semi-generic or outright generic, it just got worse from there.

Power creep has made Fusion archetypes powerful, and part of what helps them is the less specific Materials needed. So neutering Future Fusion will let it come off the list, but then it's nearly worthless because most older Fusions are obsolete.

I mean Blue Eyes Ultimate sees a lot of play in OCG due to Stein. It may not be that bad and can easily go to 3. Can this card summon the sacred beast fusion? I don't see the logic to "keep it broken to keep it on the list"

[The Warden]

Because an errata needs to be right enough that the card can go down to 1 or possibly even 2. There's no point wasting the time, money, and effort needed to print the newly errata'd card if the errata makes the card completely shit. For something to be worthwhile, the reward has to be equal to or greater than the effort put in to achieve it. Naturally they were experimenting with the recent erratas, and had mixed results of good and crap. As Evil said, your proposed errata weakens FF to the point of being practically obsolete as a dump mechanism, as so few decks could take advantage of it. Why would Konami waste their time errata'ing and printing FF when they know they couldn't profit from it.

 

Not every banned card can be successfully errata'd.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Because an errata needs to be right enough that the card can go down to 1 or possibly even 2. There's no point wasting the time, money, and effort needed to print the newly errata'd card if the errata makes the card completely s***. For something to be worthwhile, the reward has to be equal to or greater than the effort put in to achieve it. Naturally they were experimenting with the recent erratas, and had mixed results of good and crap. As Evil said, your proposed errata weakens FF to the point of being practically obsolete as a dump mechanism, as so few decks could take advantage of it.

It's not an errata. It's them putting a ruling up on their site and moving this shit to 3

[The Warden]

Then why did you put errata on the name of the topic? Well, either way, if they do that, that'd be fine then. Can't really think of much abuse beyond CyDras or Blue-Eyes.

[VampireofDarkness]

It's not an errata. It's them putting a ruling up on their site and moving this s*** to 3

So this would be like what they did with Dewloren right? I can go with that

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So this would be like what they did with Dewloren right? I can go with that

Exactly. Though you can still use Two Dewloren to loop de loop

[evilfusion]

I mean Blue Eyes Ultimate sees a lot of play in OCG due to Stein. It may not be that bad and can easily go to 3. Can this card summon the sacred beast fusion? I don't see the logic to "keep it broken to keep it on the list"

 

That's because of Stein, though. To use FF with Blue-Eyes Ultimate, you'd need 3 Blue-Eyes in your Deck as well, and have none of them drawn or used when you get Future Fusion. 

 

And no, it can't Summon Armityle because Armityle doesn't get Fusion Summoned at all. It must be Summoned by the Contact Fusion method listed, same as the V-Z fusions.

 

I'm not trying to say "keep it broken to keep it on the list", but rather "don't change it, because the healthiest change moves it to the opposite extreme - broken to useless". The other erratas to banned cards made them healthier cards, but still viable in some form. Making Future Fusion follow Prisma's ruling would make it useless. Part of the reason Prisma has that ruling is because it steals the name of the card, so they wanted it limited to a specific range of cards.

 

Future Fusion, on the other hand, actually performs the Fusion Summon (two turns later), so being able to send all the Materials, even the non-specific ones, makes sense because it sends all the Materials needed for the Summon. Prisma only sends 1, and not even for the Fusion Summon itself.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

That's because of Stein, though. To use FF with Blue-Eyes Ultimate, you'd need 3 Blue-Eyes in your Deck as well, and have none of them drawn or used when you get Future Fusion. 

 

And no, it can't Summon Armityle because Armityle doesn't get Fusion Summoned at all. It must be Summoned by the Contact Fusion method listed, same as the V-Z fusions.

 

I'm not trying to say "keep it broken to keep it on the list", but rather "don't change it, because the healthiest change moves it to the opposite extreme - broken to useless". The other erratas to banned cards made them healthier cards, but still viable in some form. Making Future Fusion follow Prisma's ruling would make it useless. Part of the reason Prisma has that ruling is because it steals the name of the card, so they wanted it limited to a specific range of cards.

 

Future Fusion, on the other hand, actually performs the Fusion Summon (two turns later), so being able to send all the Materials, even the non-specific ones, makes sense because it sends all the Materials needed for the Summon. Prisma only sends 1, and not even for the Fusion Summon itself.

That might work. If a fusion monster has ATLEAST 1 specific monster. I'm not sure if that is broken then however

[The Warden]

TEW, Fluffals do happen to exist. And they would love the ability to set themselves up for a giant Tiger nuke or to create a Wolf that attacks 10 times.

[evilfusion]

That might work. If a fusion monster has ATLEAST 1 specific monster. I'm not sure if that is broken then however

 

That might work. It still keeps Five-Headed, Shaddolls, and the Omni-HEROs out of it, but gives ammo to Fluffals...which is bad. Send Sabres and all the Fluffals you want. Frightfur Fusion for game. It's a more restrictive Chimeratech Overdragon OTK. And Chimeratech can still use it because it lists Cyber Dragon.

 

Yeah, won't work.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

TEW, Fluffals do happen to exist. And they would love the ability to set themselves up for a giant Tiger nuke or to create a Wolf that attacks 10 times.

GDI...Infernoids as well with Tierra 

 

There was a theory on 2ch about Revealing the cards, then shuffling them back into the deck. 

 

Banishing the material could work, but I'm sure that's just the grave waiting to be broken

 

2 listed material? 

[The Warden]

Banishing would probably make it worse again. I don't think there are any Fusion Mats that would want to be deliberately banished except with a Dragon's Mirror clone. Especially if you'd have to wait 2 turns with an incredibly vulnerable card on the field. Really, it's better to just leave well enough alone.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Broken I get the feeling you're not fond of the erratas lol

[Expelsword]

Tierra cannot have this.

 

I'm very against changing cards to unban them, and would rather this stay in FTK world.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Why don't you guys like reveal and shuffle?
I feel like some cards such as Subby were never meant to be used infinite times a turn. It was a different age and a different R/D, errata say Konami realizes it's mistakes.

[evilfusion]

Broken I get the feeling you're not fond of the erratas lol

 

I think he feels similarly about Future Fusion as I do. It's not really a card you can errata without murdering it utterly. It's the type of brokenly powerful that cannot exist alongside decent Fusions. And decent Fusions exist because they don't require all specific Materials. Either we can't have Future Fusion or we can't have decent, semi-generic Fusions.

[The Warden]

Not at all. I just don't care for pointless ones. Some cards should just stay banned really. Ring of Destruction was a pretty decent errata that made it pretty good removal and a staple again. But errata'ing CED didn't do much and it still retained a pretty deadly edge to itself. It's a fine art to correct a card, and it needs to be right so it's not utter shit, or you failed to change anything at all. FF is a very difficult errata to make as anything you do weakens it. But it's such a slippery slope ANY attempts made to weaken it ruins the card entirely. Then it's utterly pointless to have errata'd it in the first place. Fact is, you can't change FF without ruining it utterly, or doing nothing.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Ok two ideas

 

This is the one from 2Ch that I fell in love with

 

Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on that Fusion Monster Card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card.

 

The Errata

 

Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck and reveal, from your main deck the Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on that Fusion Monster Card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card.

 

OR maybe, just send the listed material.

 

 

Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, any specific Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on that Fusion Monster Card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card. 

[Sleepy]

I kind of just glanced over the comments (they are moving fast) so sorry if I say something that was already addressed.

 

The issue is that generic materials are pretty much needed in Fusions nowadays, and even if a Fusion has 1 specific material, having any number of generic ones listed immediately disables it from viability.

 

I was thinking, maybe if your rulings, instead of being only listed ones like Prisma does, the card required the bare minimum of materials?

Example: Quimeratech Overdragon asks for 1 CyDra + 1 or more Machines? Then translate it to CyDra + 1 machine.

It is a more controlled Foolish Burial, counterable by chainable removal, and more selective on what it can dump, plus the requirement of actually running that Fusion in your Extra Deck.

But it is still a fairly generic card with how Fusions are coming out. It'd essentially make HEROs into Shadoll Fusion I suppose, and I could see people having a problem with that if that suggestion were to happen.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I kind of just glanced over the comments (they are moving fast) so sorry if I say something that was already addressed.

 

The issue is that generic materials are pretty much needed in Fusions nowadays, and even if a Fusion has 1 specific material, having any number of generic ones listed immediately disables it from viability.

 

I was thinking, maybe if your rulings, instead of being only listed ones like Prisma does, the card required the bare minimum of materials?

Example: Quimeratech Overdragon asks for 1 CyDra + 1 or more Machines? Then translate it to CyDra + 1 machine.

It is a more controlled Foolish Burial, counterable by chainable removal, and more selective on what it can dump, plus the requirement of actually running that Fusion in your Extra Deck.

But it is still a fairly generic card with how Fusions are coming out. It'd essentially make HEROs into Shadoll Fusion I suppose, and I could see people having a problem with that if that suggestion were to happen.

Oh like one listed and a cap on how many other material so you can Tierra or Frightfur the deck into the grave? That's actually really intriguing 

[evilfusion]

I think you're missing the point: The only reason Future Fusion is remotely good is because it sends the Materials to the Graveyard. Remove that and the card is fair, but it'll never see play because you get no payoff whatsoever for 2 turns while it's extremely vulnerable to removal. People don't use Future Fusion for the Fusion Summon. They use it for the set-up, because the Fusion Summon TAKES TOO LONG.

 

If you don't send the Materials, the card is effectively nerfed, but now it's unplayable.

 

You can't really errata Future Fusion without changing it into a near-useless card.