J-Max Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Well, it's called Judgment Dragon for a reason. It tests the judgment of the players. Some do well, some don't. Sorry I couldn't resist XD Ironic thing is, before this was Banned, it was one of the so called Perfect Counters to JD. Being able to play it regardless of Life Points meant you always had a Counter to it. We have Warning and the like these days but its just not the same.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 You know what's the perfect counter to this card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 You know what's the perfect counter to this card? *ahem* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 *ahem* *Bottomless* I come from 2011, priority was still a thing, forgive me :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I think a lot of the negative feelings come from 2 historic points in YGO that have long gone but people don't want to let go. The first of which is Lightsworns at their peak. You can make the argument that there are a lot of decks in the game just as powerful as Lightsworns now, but back when the deck had triple Charge triple Lumina upon everything first being released there really wasn't a lot else to my knowledge. That format was actually pretty dumb from what I can remember of it. It's possible for these negative feelings to carry over from this format due to just how obscenely strong it seemed to have a boss like Judgment Dragon when stuff like DAD had only just happened. Another thing, which honestly I think is one of the main reasons why people can't let their hatred go of JD, is the fact that priority existed at the time this thing did. That was one of the reasons why everyone held a huge grudge against this card, since you could drop it and safely blow up a board with guarantees. Obviously counters exist, but having a Judgment Dragon dropped on you and watching your entire board get wiped without you being able to do anything will lead people to hate it. In this case primarily though, Judgment Dragon wasn't to blame as much as priority was anyway. Honestly, times have changed. Judgment Dragon is still a good boss and it'll obviously steal games by the nature of the card, but it's not like it's anything new now. I mean for goodness sake we have stuff like Triverr now and that card is actually just insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I think a lot of the negative feelings come from 2 historic points in YGO that have long gone but people don't want to let go. The first of which is Lightsworns at their peak. You can make the argument that there are a lot of decks in the game just as powerful as Lightsworns now, but back when the deck had triple Charge triple Lumina upon everything first being released there really wasn't a lot else to my knowledge. That format was actually pretty dumb from what I can remember of it. It's possible for these negative feelings to carry over from this format due to just how obscenely strong it seemed to have a boss like Judgment Dragon when stuff like DAD had only just happened. Another thing, which honestly I think is one of the main reasons why people can't let their hatred go of JD, is the fact that priority existed at the time this thing did. That was one of the reasons why everyone held a huge grudge against this card, since you could drop it and safely blow up a board with guarantees. Obviously counters exist, but having a Judgment Dragon dropped on you and watching your entire board get wiped without you being able to do anything will lead people to hate it. In this case primarily though, Judgment Dragon wasn't to blame as much as priority was anyway. Honestly, times have changed. Judgment Dragon is still a good boss and it'll obviously steal games by the nature of the card, but it's not like it's anything new now. I mean for goodness sake we have stuff like Triverr now and that card is actually just insane. Thread over, let's all go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 *ahem* wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 No one calls it that except a select few of butthurt individuals. Let's get this straight: Lightsworns aren't any more unfair than a big part of this game. Sure, we do have fair-ish decks that lack one-card "I win the game" like Shaddolls, Nekroz (seriously, they don't have that kind of card, as much as you want to believe they do) but a load of other archetypes revolve around a single broken card. Sure, Sylvans aren't too good. But have you seen Sylvan Charity? That card is f***ing insane and would possibly break any other archetype in half. In this game, power level of a card is subjective to whatever archetype they're put in. If you swapped some bosses around, not a lot would change. Big part of decks would still focus on a single unfair card/boss/whatever they have at their disposal. In LS case, it's Judgment Dragon. That's all. Lay off. Yes because those other bosses can literally steal the game last moment lmao. At least with nekroz you can prepare for the incoming Trish (no monster on your field and it cant banish) BITS and chain come to mind What do you do when JD is dropped. You hope for a topdeck or you die.it's that simple. If you just so happen to have a counter, that's great I can fucking drop 2 more on you. Any good player that uses JD will drop the first, nuke to test the waters, and then drop the others. If you dont have multi chain/bts bye bye field. You act like some bit of skill is used in this card at all and that's the funniest thing about the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo. Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I feel like this card would be a lot more fair if it had an heavier LP cost, like 3000 LP, so it won't turn the tables at the last second. But i feel like not every deck has a broken boss monster, just look at Chronomalies or Heraldics, all of their bosses can be easily taken care of. I have a love/hate relationship with this deck. I like it when i play it, because it's an honestly fun deck to play. But i hate it when i'm against it, because you already know what's to come and ruins the surprise that it's fun in many duels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 wrong Bounce it to their hand only to be Special Summoned right back? No... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'll admit I dislike this card on a personal level, not necessarily a design level. That's all I really have to say on the matter, it's just not a nice card to see/deck to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Yes because those other bosses can literally steal the game last moment lmao. At least with nekroz you can prepare for the incoming Trish (no monster on your field and it cant banish) BITS and chain come to mind What do you do when JD is dropped. You hope for a topdeck or you die.it's that simple. If you just so happen to have a counter, that's great I can fucking drop 2 more on you. Any good player that uses JD will drop the first, nuke to test the waters, and then drop the others. If you dont have multi chain/bts bye bye field. You act like some bit of skill is used in this card at all and that's the funniest thing about the post If you exhausted all of your resources and lost because they dropped JD and had NO outs to it, you probably deserved to lose since it means you overextended like fuck without any kind of backup. Fair enough. Use one of your multiple outs, like Fiendish Chain, Effect Veiler etc. which you should have? Because either JD doesn't destroy enough for you to lose the game, or you overextended like an idiot KNOWING JD is about to drop and had no backup and prayed you will win from there. You being so sailty is even funnier tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I feel like this card would be a lot more fair if it had an heavier LP cost, like 3000 LP, so it won't turn the tables at the last second. But i feel like not every deck has a broken boss monster, just look at Chronomalies or Heraldics, all of their bosses can be easily taken care of. I have a love/hate relationship with this deck. I like it when i play it, because it's an honestly fun deck to play. But i hate it when i'm against it, because you already know what's to come and ruins the surprise that it's fun in many duels Chronomaly's boss is Cyber Dragon Infinity, so I wouldn't exactly call it "easily taken care of". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Bounce it to their hand only to be Special Summoned right back? No... lol http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo. Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Chronomaly's boss is Cyber Dragon Infinity, so I wouldn't exactly call it "easily taken care of". As chronomaly's boss i meant cards that are part of the archetype, not new broken cards that are splashable. As Chronomaly boss i meant stuff like Atlandis or Machu Mech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 If you exhausted all of your resources and lost because they dropped JD and had NO outs to it, you probably deserved to lose since it means you overextended like f*** without any kind of backup. Fair enough. Use one of your multiple outs, like Fiendish Chain, Effect Veiler etc. which you should have? Because either JD doesn't destroy enough for you to lose the game, or you overextended like an idiot KNOWING JD is about to drop and had no backup and prayed you will win from there. You being so sailty is even funnier tbh. I would never overextend on LS ever. I have literally only have had this card dropped on me on the 1st turn or pretty much the last turn before I win so I believe I have all the right to be salty. And youwoulyou would to if you lost multiple times because 1st turn 3x JD or a JD that ruins your final turn. Not saying this card is invincible just scrubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 If i died to turn 1 triple JD i wouldn't be salty. I would laugh my ass off at the opponent's disgusting luck. that isn't a thing 99%. Don't pretend it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 If you exhausted all of your resources and lost because they dropped JD and had NO outs to it, you probably deserved to lose since it means you overextended like fuck without any kind of backup. That's a very bleak and somewhat unfair accusation. LS decks can chew through your backrow faster than Black chews through other people's opinions. They are the boss rush deck, and can very easily obliterate your backrow through a sinister combination of Lyla, and whatever non-JD boss they decide to hurl at you. Sufficed to say you probably want to deal with Michael before he starts banishing your backrow. As it stands as well, a LS player won't give a crap if JD gets negated by Veiler since they probably have another one, or Lighray Diabolos to get rid of whatever screwed over JD (like Fiendish). Having the backrow to deal with the inevitable JD isn't as easy you might think it is. Thankfully we have Yuki Usagi, but then, she doesn't stop the nuke. Nor can she deal with the spam that comes after it. You can only have so many Veilers, which is usually none anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 1.) How is this a boss rush deck without B.E.S. Big Core? 2.) Why do you assume they have no veilers? Card is currently quite relevant 3.) How do they automatically have multiple JD in hand, along with the doezen other bosses? Minerva helps card advantage, but you can't pretend they always have exactly what they want 4.) If the things you say were so true, why again does this deck not absolutely dominate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 4.) If the things you say were so true, why again does this deck no absolutely dominate? The counterpoint to every single argument people throw. If LS are so incredibly broken, then they should still be tier 0. But the deck is currently really pretty shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 2. Is it? Hmm, I thought it had gone out of favour again. The bloody thing yo-yos so much every day it's either shit or at least decent. 3. You automatically assume LS have a boss monster in their hand because they account for 1/4 of the entire deck. 4. Because of the word that's been thrown around so much it's practically a mantra: luck. It drives the game, and it's the raison d'etre of Lightsworn. Defeating LS feels good regardless of whether or not they bricked, because the alternative is trying to find your legs in the crater left behind by JD or BLS. Of course, that figures into the backrow v JD argument, as the side that gets lucky might ultimately win out. It is lovely to see all 3 JD get milled, but then you get a little paranoid about when they're going to flip Beckoning Light on ya. Which side luck favours is a pretty big thing, but the rewards of luck are a sliding scale of insanity. Really, they don't dominate because, well, LS are shit for the most part. They're now a lot more underpowered compared to other modern archetypes. Everyone just hates JD so much because even in this day and age it's absolutely ridiculous at what it does. People take a dim view to field nukes after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Everyone just hates JD so much Once again: You're not everyone, as much as you want to believe. Not EVERYONE hates JD. Not EVERYONE calls them Sacksworns/Scrubworns. Not EVERYONE wants to hang any LS player in public. It's just you sailty haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Can you both shut up? The moral of the story is that, like most YGO cards, it has 0/10 design and 9/10 impact in the deck. You both endlessly go in circles that end up with you both still thinking you're right, so just end it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Can you both shut up? The moral of the story is that, like most YGO cards, it has 0/10 design and 9/10 impact in the deck. You both endlessly go in circles that end up with you both still thinking you're right, so just end it now. It would be better if klav didn't try so hard to whiteknight the deck. Salty LS main can't handle the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 It would be better if klav didn't try so hard to whiteknight the deck. Salty LS main can't handle the truththis is rich. I am keeping this quote. I love this quote. Really though, you realize how silly you sound calling him salty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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