BANZAI!!!! Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 "Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) by having 4 or more "Lightsworn" monsters with different names in your Graveyard, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. You can pay 1000 Life Points; destroy all other cards on the field. During each of your End Phases: Send the top 4 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard." Everyone seems to have an opinion on Lightsworns and JD in particular, in part because of the deck's peculiar playstyle and in part because somehow or another the archetype has managed to stay on the radar (to varying degrees) for years. Love it or hate it though, Konami keeps giving Lightsworns reasons to exist, be it eclipse wyvern/Drulers, the Sworn structure deck, or that new JD search trap the deck is getting. Discuss the archetype and this guy in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 >gives it reasons to exist >Mention Lightsworn Judgment >don't mention Minerva, the Broken Lightsworn she encourages a new build, yeah, but that card is stupidly powerul. i just have the worst luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 My opinion is that, though the deck is luck-based, people's complaints about them blow them far out of proportion. No, it isn't "well designed" but it isn't the lolijustwinbcfuckyou that people whine about. The new trap isn't even fantastic. This card is superb, but a deck dedicated to it can really only go so far. Minerva is fucking absurd, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 You misspelled Judgment. I don't know the difference between Judgment and Judgement Dragon, but I don't think that Judgement Dragon is needed in Lightsworn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I hate this card. I hate it so much, the only thing I can feel good about this card is that the inevitable heat death of the universe will erase it from existence. It is just so frustrating that this card continuously gets a free ride because LS don't top as much, even though they do at times. I mean, for god's sakes RulerSworn was a huge freaking wake-up call. Sometimes, a card needs to be judged on its own merit, rather than if the deck itself is a problem. Judgment Dragon is poison. Pure poison, and I hate him for it. It's just, he's so easy. Everything about him screams "zero effort win". 4 names is absurdly easy to pull off, even back then. And a paltry 1000 LP payment to erase everything else from the board. I wouldn't even hate LS if this guy just went away. But here he is, a 3k ass waving in your face as he clears your field and goes for game. LS aren't great, not since losing the Rulers. I know this. But, he is just so toxic for the game. A vast cancerous lump that just won't go into remission. There's no point even discussing him. As people's opinions on this card are almost practically set in stone. LS whores love him, the vast majority of people hate him, and many others just don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 It's just a spelling thing between American and British English, Dae; either spelling is correct. Then again, there was a old card that used the British spelling instead; Judgement Hand, I believe, but that's somewhat off-topic. Anyway, my opinion on JD is that it's literally what most players try to get out in LS; especially in triples from what I hear of them. But that in mind, I probably never had to face one of them, save for that hard as hell AI in Duel Transer who used a banned LS variant; so I more/less don't have an opinion on it. In other words, more/less their boss (although certainly not the only one they can use effectively). Then again, I haven't played LS until the structure deck came out, so... * shrugs * Although I can pretty much see why it's getting a lot of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 The biggest issue with JD isn't how easy it is to drop. It isn't its 3000 ATK. It isn't even the board wipe for a paltry cost. The biggest issue is you can use its effect multiple times a turn in ADDITION to all the above. This thing should have a hard OPT clause so that even things like Gorz and Tragoedia can combat it other than "your opponent loses 1000 more LP". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Although I can pretty much see why it's getting a lot of crap. Get your popcorn ready. Threads like this end beautifully. The main reason people dislike the card is because when they lose to it, they feel their opponent didn't "earn" the win. To be completely honest, I don't think any player earns any win in this game, but it is really all opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANZAI!!!! Posted May 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Get your popcorn ready. Threads like this end beautifully. The main reason people dislike the card is because when they lose to it, they feel their opponent didn't "earn" the win. To be completely honest, I don't think any player earns any win in this game, but it is really all opinion. Sums up my thoughts on Yugioh more or less. Me personally, I see JD as a cute, if annoying, boss i run into semi-regularly on DN. It happens, i probably lose the game, but its nothing to cry over. My interest in it is that its one of the few non-staples I've seen that somehow has managed to stick around in the game for all this time, despite the rampant power creep. Its an interesting anomaly in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 The biggest issue with JD isn't how easy it is to drop. It isn't its 3000 ATK. It isn't even the board wipe for a paltry cost. The biggest issue is you can use its effect multiple times a turn in ADDITION to all the above. This thing should have a hard OPT clause so that even things like Gorz and Tragoedia can combat it other than "your opponent loses 1000 more LP". Evilfusion beat me to it. The lack of a Hard OPT on JD's nuke is the whole reason I constantly express that I want his retarded degenerate ass Limited, if not outright banned. I like the Lightsworn as a concept, I even have a couple builds of them I play occasionally. But even from the perspective of a LS player multiple JD is disgusting, and I make it a point to never run more than a single copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 If you hate Lightsworn, play Infernoids. They'll stop this guy from making an appearance. Unfortunately, if you kill them, you will become them... - Card is good, almost memetically so; I remember LS were dominating just as I came into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Even as an LS player myself, I too find myself disgusted by JD's ease of Summoning, lack of a "Highlander Clause" or an OPT clause for its effect, and the numerous ways to try and search him out (with D-Rulers for me being the straw that broke the Des Lacooda's back). It's pretty much why I now play an LS Deck on DevPro that forgoes JD (or any other Main Deck Boss, for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 "Disgusted", "hate". Are we really throwing those words around while talking about a [i]card game[/i]? Yeah, JD is unfair as fuck. So are Lightsworn. But holy hell. Every single deck in existence can sack out sudden bosses and wins, yet only LS get all the crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Me: Yes! I have almost beat my Opponent! He has just over 1000 Life Points left and a couple of cards in his hand. His Grave is full of Lightsworns but if I can just survive the next Turn, I can go for Game! *Ends Turn* Opponent: I Special Summon Judgement Dragon! *Troll Face* I pay 1000 Life Points to destroy EVERYTHING! Me: o_o I was so close...... Opponent: gg *attacks for game* This is me, every single time my opponent pulls a JD on me. This card is one of the main reasons I always consider filling my Deck with Counter Traps just to get rid of it. The low Life Point requirement for a Nuke is just absurd as well. At least at the time, some of the other Nukes required a bit more thought your end (including Gilford and the like). This is just "Hurr Durr! I swarm the field and you can do nothing!" Yes, he is dead in your hand until 4 or more different Lightsworns are in your Grave but the simple fact there is always that chance the person playing Lightsworns can be robbed of a honest victory pisses me the hell off. I have a Lightsworn build of my own but feel dirty every time I play it. I usually only play it when I am having a bad day Duelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 "Disgusted", "hate". Are we really throwing those words around while talking about a card game? Yeah, JD is unfair as fuck. So are Lightsworn. But holy hell. Every single deck in existence can sack out sudden bosses and wins, yet only LS get all the crap. With Lightsworn, the opponent always has to be on their toes. The only real way to get rid of JD before it can Nuke is a Counter Trap or monster effect. Most people run 6 or 7 Traps if that in their Decks so the chance they will see a JD coming is low. Also most JD players will wait until the field is clear or have some kind of Trap Negation up before JD. Its the sheer unpredictibility of Lightsworns that brings all the hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Me: Yes! I have almost beat my Opponent! He has just over 1000 Life Points left and a couple of cards in his hand. His Grave is full of Lightsworns but if I can just survive the next Turn, I can go for Game! *Ends Turn* Opponent: I Special Summon Judgement Dragon! *Troll Face* I pay 1000 Life Points to destroy EVERYTHING! Me: o_o I was so close...... Opponent: gg *attacks for game* This is me, every single time my opponent pulls a JD on me. This card is one of the main reasons I always consider filling my Deck with Counter Traps just to get rid of it. The low Life Point requirement for a Nuke is just absurd as well. At least at the time, some of the other Nukes required a bit more thought your end (including Gilford and the like). This is just "Hurr Durr! I swarm the field and you can do nothing!" Yes, he is dead in your hand until 4 or more different Lightsworns are in your Grave but the simple fact there is always that chance the person playing Lightsworns can be robbed of a honest victory pisses me the hell off. I have a Lightsworn build of my own but feel dirty every time I play it. I usually only play it when I am having a bad day Duelling. Honest victory? You mean comboing out with Madolches? That shit ain't honest. As has been said, the reason so many people dislike this card is because they are under the illusion that the shit they use isn't just as gross and degenerate as lightsworns are. This entire game is broken, so whining about a card that was broken before everything else is just hypocritical. With Lightsworn, the opponent always has to be on their toes. The only real way to get rid of JD before it can Nuke is a Counter Trap or monster effect. Most people run 6 or 7 Traps if that in their Decks so the chance they will see a JD coming is low. Also most JD players will wait until the field is clear or have some kind of Trap Negation up before JD. Its the sheer unpredictibility of Lightsworns that brings all the hate. And one of the traps that they use, like, 3 of is Mind Crush, which is spectacular against this if timed right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Honest victory? You mean comboing out with Madolches? That shit ain't honest. As has been said, the reason so many people dislike this card is because they are under the illusion that the shit they use isn't just as gross and degenerate as lightsworns are. This entire game is broken, so whining about a card that was broken before everything else is just hypocritical. And one of the traps that they use, like, 3 of is Mind Crush, which is spectacular against this if timed right. I knew you would bring up Madolche :P At least with Madolche you actually have to do things and remember the right Combo's to pull to get the win. Also Anjelly, Hootcake and heck even Ticket all have a OPT clause so at least you are slowed down somewhat (even if it is stupidly easy to OTK if you have the right setup). Mind Crush? Unless your opponent has somehow played something to let you know they are about to add JD to their hand, you will never see it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Honest victory? You mean comboing out with Madolches? That shit ain't honest. As has been said, the reason so many people dislike this card is because they are under the illusion that the shit they use isn't just as gross and degenerate as lightsworns are. This entire game is broken, so whining about a card that was broken before everything else is just hypocritical. I'm sorry, but the bolded is wrong. Lightsworn aren't the problem, Judgment Dragon is. There is almost nothing wrong with LS, most people could care less. People just despise the fact that their win can literally blow up in their face because of the easiest to summon boss ever. Sure, there's more unfair bosses, but they're either banned now, or are at least harder to summon. Take Quasar, it's a ridiculous card sure. But you need at least 3 Synchros to summon him, one of them being a Synchro/Tuner. JD is literally too easy to use. So long as you aren't 7/8ths of the way dead, his effect is live. And that's the thing, as long as your LP is above 1000 he's live. And then, you can spam afterwards. People have only so many traps in their hand and field, and LS can crap out A LOT of bosses that require you to use those traps, including the equally rage-inducing Black Luster Soldier. But, BLS aside, Judgment Dragon is the crown turd on the sundae. He is, and I'm repeating this for emphasis, too, easy. He takes no effort to be used, and he grants you a completely unbalanced reward for it. I have had many times where I have fought tooth and nail to take back the duel from LS opponents, and every time all my efforts were utterly annihilated because of this card. The reason people complain about JD is because, unlike many other bosses, there is no illusion surrounding this card. You can plainly see how grossly unfair it is. The same applies to CyDra Unfairnity, because you simply can't pretend it's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshends Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Do people just make this thread because of yesterday's 'drama... Anyway always dislike this card, is just too easy to summon it, and the effect is too good. At least the card is not name ' Judgement Lightswron Dragon'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Honest victory? You mean comboing out with Madolches? That shit ain't honest. As has been said, the reason so many people dislike this card is because they are under the illusion that the shit they use isn't just as gross and degenerate as lightsworns are. This entire game is broken, so whining about a card that was broken before everything else is just hypocritical. This, without the "the entire game is broken" whining. Unless you play Shaddoll or some other deck which relies largely on skill and doesn't reeeally have any "degenerate" blowout cards that stop the opponent playing (sure, maybe Winda in some situations, but hardly) nobody really has a right to call Lightsworn a "zero effort win" because frankly there's a ton of decks which are exactly that, just not centred round that card. "summon monster backrow" decks like T.G., Hero beat, Yosenju, etc are all examples of "zero effort win" decks but you rarely see anyone complaining that T.G. are "cancerous to the metagame". Even although I play Shaddoll I won't bash JD because I've played plenty of "zero effort win" decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I can understand that Lightsworns without JD are actually fair (even if they are still Luck Based). But let's be serious here, who plays Lightsworn without JD? A Lightsworn Deck without JD is already a uphill struggle. A player needs all the advantage they can get so of course they are going to go with JD. I know there is other Boss monsters out there that support the whole LIGHT theme as a whole but this is stupidly easy to bring out. I won't keep going around in circles as I am even making myself dizzy lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I already explained how degenerate this card is in another thread. The deck in general is called scrubsworn or sacksworn for a pretty fucking good reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I already explained how degenerate this card is in another thread. The deck in general is called scrubsworn or sacksworn for a pretty fucking good reason Except... it isn't. Saying "it is called [thing only a fraction of community calls it] for a reason" isn't really a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Well, it's called Judgment Dragon for a reason. It tests the judgment of the players. Some do well, some don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I already explained how degenerate this card is in another thread. The deck in general is called scrubsworn or sacksworn for a pretty fucking good reason No one calls it that except a select few of butthurt individuals. Let's get this straight: Lightsworns aren't any more unfair than a big part of this game. Sure, we do have fair-ish decks that lack one-card "I win the game" like Shaddolls, Nekroz (seriously, they don't have that kind of card, as much as you want to believe they do) but a load of other archetypes revolve around a single broken card. Sure, Sylvans aren't too good. But have you seen Sylvan Charity? That card is fucking insane and would possibly break any other archetype in half. In this game, power level of a card is subjective to whatever archetype they're put in. If you swapped some bosses around, not a lot would change. Big part of decks would still focus on a single unfair card/boss/whatever they have at their disposal. In LS case, it's Judgment Dragon. That's all. Lay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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