Zextra Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Blackings were my very first competitive deck and was my primary deck for quite a while. I admit that I've been out of the meta for a while, but nevertheless, I wanted to keep my BWs competitive, albeit on a more casual level. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Just a couple of notes - I'm debating on whether or not I should max out Kris in the deck; however, I don't have a third copy at the moment. I'm running Steam over Pinaki because Steam is more flexible and Pinaki is just too slow. Also, I don't know if Dark Armed is worth keeping in the deck - there's barely any Grave control so I'm thinking that it'll be dead more often than not. Finally, regarding the extra deck - I want to run Castel, but I don't have him at the moment; still trying to find a better replacement than Diamond Dire though. [spoiler=Images] [/spoiler] Monsters: 21 3x Blackwing - Shura the Blue Flame 3x Blackwing - Bora the Spear 3x Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind 3x Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow 2x Blackwing - Kris the Crack of Dawn 2x Blackwing - Blizzard the Far North 1x Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn 1x Blackwing - Zephyros the Elite 1x Blackwing - Steam the Cloak 1x Blackwing - Kochi the Daybreak 1x Dark Armed Dragon Spells: 9 3x Black Whirlwind 2x Pot of Duality 2x Mystical Space Typhoon 1x Allure of Darkness 1x Raigeki Traps: 10 3x Icarus Attack 2x Fiendish Chain 2x Black Sonic 1x Delta Crow - Anti Reverse 1x Compulsory Evacuation Device 1x Solemn Warning Extra Deck: 15 1x Beelze of the Diabolic Dragons 1x Scrap Dragon 1x Dark End Dragon 1x Black Rose Dragon 1x Black Rose Moonlight Dragon 1x Goyo Guardian 1x Blackwing Armor Master 1x Blackwing Tamer - Obsidian Hawk Joe 2x Blackwing - Nothung the Starlight 1x Leo, Keeper of the Sacred Tree 1x Ice Beast Zerofyne 1x Number 82: Heartlandraco 1x Number 101: Silent Honor Ark 1x Diamond Dire Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndUser Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 The monster base is more or less balanced, however it can become slow at times due to relying on Normal Summoning more than usual (3 Shuras, 1 Sirocco and 1 Kochi), but they don't hurt the deck anyway. The trick with Kris is to know when to Normal or Special Summon it. Drawing them more often may lead to more slow games, luckily you have 3 Whirlwinds to help. Pinaka may be slow but can sometimes benefit more than Gale or Steam. I wouldn't consider removing Steam from the deck but Gale instead. It's a weird thought, but there are cases where you need to replenish your hand more than to cut ATK and DEF. It can not be used to SS non-BW Synchros, but you can get Kalut, Kris or any other BW you may need. It's up to you though. As for DAD, well... It usually becomes useless if drawn after your first 3 turns. If you think it will cause you more problems than benefits, then you can replace it with a 3rd Kris or the missing Pinaka. Or maybe with a staple like Effect Veiler or the newer Uki Usagi. Your Spells are basically the "helping hands" of your deck. But, 2 Typhoons with 3 Icarus and 1 Delta? You can keep the Delta and maybe 1 Typhoon as Side cards and replace them with Book of Moon (which does wonders) and Raigeki Break/Phoenix Wing Wind Blast (which are more generic). As for Icarus, it's useability is 50-50. Replacing 1 copy with BTH or Torrential wouldn't hurt, but then you may need that 2nd Typhoon... I usually don't like having 3 Whirlwinds and replace one with Supply Squad or Mathematician (I'd recommend POD or Allure but you already have 2+1 of them), but it's up to you. 1 Sonic is perfect but 2... Hm, the chances of not occupying a BW monster are 15-20%.There are also the cases when you have no monsters on the field. Maybe side the one and replace it with Mirror Force or something similar..? Having a couple of Chains is helpful but still... There are some cards that can do well, but most of them do not function the same as Diamond (Exciton is a good one, but it's just another Blackrose for you). Let's say Maestroke Djinn: It provides you some defense while sharing one of the effects of Castel. You can use Daigusto Emeral, so not only will you get back some important monsters but also use DAD more easily. If you need something offensive, however, I'd recommend Dark Rebellion or Utopia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Nice to see you posting again, Zex. Zef seems rather pointless without any realistic set-up. So you could run Foolish Burial, cuz' it also makes Blizz instantly live, among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted April 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 The monster base is more or less balanced, however it can become slow at times due to relying on Normal Summoning more than usual (3 Shuras, 1 Sirocco and 1 Kochi), but they don't hurt the deck anyway. The trick with Kris is to know when to Normal or Special Summon it. Drawing them more often may lead to more slow games, luckily you have 3 Whirlwinds to help. Pinaka may be slow but can sometimes benefit more than Gale or Steam. I wouldn't consider removing Steam from the deck but Gale instead. It's a weird thought, but there are cases where you need to replenish your hand more than to cut ATK and DEF. It can not be used to SS non-BW Synchros, but you can get Kalut, Kris or any other BW you may need. It's up to you though. As for DAD, well... It usually becomes useless if drawn after your first 3 turns. If you think it will cause you more problems than benefits, then you can replace it with a 3rd Kris or the missing Pinaka. Or maybe with a staple like Effect Veiler or the newer Uki Usagi. Your Spells are basically the "helping hands" of your deck. But, 2 Typhoons with 3 Icarus and 1 Delta? You can keep the Delta and maybe 1 Typhoon as Side cards and replace them with Book of Moon (which does wonders) and Raigeki Break/Phoenix Wing Wind Blast (which are more generic). As for Icarus, it's useability is 50-50. Replacing 1 copy with BTH or Torrential wouldn't hurt, but then you may need that 2nd Typhoon... I usually don't like having 3 Whirlwinds and replace one with Supply Squad or Mathematician (I'd recommend POD or Allure but you already have 2+1 of them), but it's up to you. 1 Sonic is perfect but 2... Hm, the chances of not occupying a BW monster are 15-20%.There are also the cases when you have no monsters on the field. Maybe side the one and replace it with Mirror Force or something similar..? Having a couple of Chains is helpful but still... There are some cards that can do well, but most of them do not function the same as Diamond (Exciton is a good one, but it's just another Blackrose for you). Let's say Maestroke Djinn: It provides you some defense while sharing one of the effects of Castel. You can use Daigusto Emeral, so not only will you get back some important monsters but also use DAD more easily. If you need something offensive, however, I'd recommend Dark Rebellion or Utopia. Thanks for your suggestions! My thoughts: for Kochi, he was actually a remnant of my old Sacredwing (BWs with Sacred Crane) deck, but for sentimental reasons (I guess), I don't really want to take him out. I'll probably take out DAD, as you suggested; not only is it dead often, but it's just too inconsistent. I still have my doubts about Pinaki since it can't SS itself and Whirlwind searches enough already. For the timebeing I'll test using a 3rd Kris over DAD (once I can obtain a third copy). Funny you should mention that, as I was running Book of Moon, BTH, and Torrential until about a week ago when I tried to fit Kris in. I thought that Icarus/Sonic was enough monster destruction and I decided to run Compulse over BTH. I'll try siding out an MST for Book of Moon, but I really do like the Delta Crow at the moment. As for Icarus and Whirlwind - I'm pretty stubborn on keeping them at 3 each; Icarus slightly less so, but still enough for me to be hesitant to remove one. It's chainable, and from start to finish, I'll usually have a target to use it with. Whirlwind, on the other hand, I really need at 3 - the consistency it provides is absolutely necessary and is essentially what creates plays in the deck; also, I don't have any Supply Squads :p). For the Extra - I'm thinking of getting rid of Diamond Dire for Emeral; I used Maestroke before, but overall I think recycling BWs for Whirlwind is probably more valuable. I would consider Dark Rebellion, but I don't have one and he's fairly pricey at the moment. I appreciate you taking time to help. :) Nice to see you posting again, Zex. Zef seems rather pointless without any realistic set-up. So you could run Foolish Burial, cuz' it also makes Blizz instantly live, among other things. Hey Armz; yeah, it's been a while since my last visit to TCG - at least the decks forum. Zephyros - I know he doesn't have anything to really bounce for benefit (unlike my last version of BWs, which abused COTH and Sacred Crane xD), but nevertheless, it's nice to have just because BWs have a number of cards they can bounce for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Pinaki is useful in so many situations that you absolutely have to run 2. Whirlwind searches a lot but it normally only searches the smaller ones unless you have Kris and even then you normally want to search Gale, Kalut and Blizzard. It's surprisingly easy to actually use since you have Bora and Kris who summon themselves from hand, Zephy that summons itself from grave as well as Gladius, which you should be playing, which you can even search of Whirlwind if you normal summon it so opening Pinaki+Whirlwind makes a Nothung and gets you a big Blackwing for next turn. You should also be playing Oroshi so you can go Blizzard, search Oroshi with Whirlwind, summon Oroshi, sync for Nothung, sync Nothung and Pinaki to make Tamer Joe. It's 5k attack on the board as well as burning for 1600 and potentially dropping monsters by 1600, all from Blizzard+Whirlwind. Steam really sucks because all you can really do with it is make Leo which, while solid, is not as good as the combo I explained earlier, and Kochi really is an awful draw that you never want to see and doesn't even provide much utility if summoned off Shura since main phase 2 Zerofyne, while good, is not as good as getting a search and making a Joe/Armor Master a lot of the time. Sirocco also sucks - it's often dead and doesn't really provide any use at all, you already have Kris to search every Blackwing. Zephyros is amazing, it has enough attack for Whirlwind to search the things you normally want to search while being easily searchable itself and it has some amazing combos, particularly bouncing back a Blizzard to make a rank 4 and still have a Blizzard for next turn. tl;dr -1 Steam -1 Kochi (if you desperately want to keep it, keep it I guess) -1 Sirocco -1 Dark Armed -2 MST (like, you have Icarus) +2 Pinaki +1 Oroshi +1 Gladius +1 Book of Moon! +1 Vanity's For the extra, cut Dark End (and, if you stop playing Kochi, Scrap Dragon and Beelze too), Moonlight Rose (rarely will you not want to make Black Rose or Joe), Leo (because you're no longer playing Steam) and Heartlandraco for a Key Beetle, Armades (you'll need it in a pinch with Blizzard+Kalut), Yazi (good level 7) and Giganticastle (if you need a search for End Phase or Oroshi is gone and you have Whirlwind and Blizzard you can go Blizzard, summon something, search Pinaki, make Nothung and use your extra summon for Pinaki to synchro. This combo becomes far better when Chaofeing comes out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted April 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Pinaki is useful in so many situations that you absolutely have to run 2. Whirlwind searches a lot but it normally only searches the smaller ones unless you have Kris and even then you normally want to search Gale, Kalut and Blizzard. It's surprisingly easy to actually use since you have Bora and Kris who summon themselves from hand, Zephy that summons itself from grave as well as Gladius, which you should be playing, which you can even search of Whirlwind if you normal summon it so opening Pinaki+Whirlwind makes a Nothung and gets you a big Blackwing for next turn. You should also be playing Oroshi so you can go Blizzard, search Oroshi with Whirlwind, summon Oroshi, sync for Nothung, sync Nothung and Pinaki to make Tamer Joe. It's 5k attack on the board as well as burning for 1600 and potentially dropping monsters by 1600, all from Blizzard+Whirlwind. Steam really sucks because all you can really do with it is make Leo which, while solid, is not as good as the combo I explained earlier, and Kochi really is an awful draw that you never want to see and doesn't even provide much utility if summoned off Shura since main phase 2 Zerofyne, while good, is not as good as getting a search and making a Joe/Armor Master a lot of the time. Sirocco also sucks - it's often dead and doesn't really provide any use at all, you already have Kris to search every Blackwing. Zephyros is amazing, it has enough attack for Whirlwind to search the things you normally want to search while being easily searchable itself and it has some amazing combos, particularly bouncing back a Blizzard to make a rank 4 and still have a Blizzard for next turn. tl;dr -1 Steam -1 Kochi (if you desperately want to keep it, keep it I guess) -1 Sirocco -1 Dark Armed -2 MST (like, you have Icarus) +2 Pinaki +1 Oroshi +1 Gladius +1 Book of Moon! +1 Vanity's For the extra, cut Dark End (and, if you stop playing Kochi, Scrap Dragon and Beelze too), Moonlight Rose (rarely will you not want to make Black Rose or Joe), Leo (because you're no longer playing Steam) and Heartlandraco for a Key Beetle, Armades (you'll need it in a pinch with Blizzard+Kalut), Yazi (good level 7) and Giganticastle (if you need a search for End Phase or Oroshi is gone and you have Whirlwind and Blizzard you can go Blizzard, summon something, search Pinaki, make Nothung and use your extra summon for Pinaki to synchro. This combo becomes far better when Chaofeing comes out). Thanks, I'll give your build a try; At the moment my own build's been working pretty well so I would like to keep it how it is, but I have enough extra BWs (other than Kris) after holo upgrading to create a second deck entirely anyways. I've never used Oroshi or Gladius before, and they don't seem too common in other BW builds from what I can see, so I'm curious to see how they would work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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