[Leaderboard] -Noel- vs Gadjiltron

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Rules:
All Leaderboard rules apply.
First to 3 votes or most votes by March 12th, 11:59PM PDT wins.
All voters must elaborate on their votes.
Both contestants and myself have the right to refuse votes, but must explain why we don't accept it.
Written cards are allowed. (Must be in written format, cards with blank pictures are not acceptable)
Create a card with the following clause: When this card is destroyed by your opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect): [insert cost]; [insert effect]. Note: Cost is not required.

Rewards:
The winner gets a rep from the loser.
All voters get a rep for voting.

Card A

When this card is Normal Summoned: You can add 1 "Book of Moon" or "Book of Eclipse" from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand. When this card is destroyed by your opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect): You can banish 1 "Moon" card from your Graveyard; change 1 face-up monster on the field to face-down Defense Position. It cannot be Flip Summoned while it is on the field.

 

Card B

1 "Scrap" Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner monsters

Once per turn: You can target 1 card you control; destroy it, and if you do, draw 1 card and shuffle 1 card from your hand into the Deck. When this card is destroyed by your opponent's card (either by battle or by card effect): Target 1 non-Synchro "Scrap" monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon that target.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Card A basically searches out two of the Book Spells (barring Taiyou and Life, which aren't Quick-Play) and can essentially neuter certain Decks for a while after the opponent destroys it; assuming you have a Book of Moon in the Graveyard (which probably will happen if you had used the card you searched earlier).

 

1200/1400 isn't particularly good on a Level 4 nowadays, but suppose that's to balance out its effect of rendering a monster "un-usable" for things, except Tribute Summons or something.

 

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Card B is a Level 7 Scrap monster that blows up your own stuff and gets a Card Trader-esque effect when it happens. Normally, I'd ask "why would I blow up my own monster to get an effect like this", but Scraps focus on blowing themselves up + building on that. Combined with Scrap Factory and stuff, you can get a new monster afterwards to use for whatever purposes.

 

Like Scrap Dragon (and its evolutions), this can revive another Main Deck Scrap from the Graveyard, should it go.

 

Although, given this card requires a Scrap Tuner; it more or less limits your options, but it can be done. (Then again, it's not like they don't run general support cards; which can still be used here)

 

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So basically, which one do I like better: Scrap Card Trader or an easier BoM / paralyzing a potential boss monster when it goes.

 

Card B GMV.

 

Card A, while nice, does carry the chance of having to take a sizable amount of damage to setup + requires a specific card. (I might add that BoM is Limited right now)

[Nathanael D. Striker]

0-1 Card B

[Northern Sage]

Card A feels familiar, but no need to dwell on that.

It can search BoM and Eclipse, one of which is Limited and the other having limited (heh) usage. The problem I see is that the opponent knows that you now have a BoM and can predict the most common usage for it, debilitating your opponent's monster. And then there's the other effect, which is pretty much a one-off because most of the "Moon" cards wouldn't go well together with this card, and most likely not as a tech specifically for this effect.

Card B as a Dinosaur is pretty neat. A -1 but being able to trigger "Scrap" cards, and a bonus revival.

Vote for Card B here.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

0-2 Card B

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Just realized that Card A can satisfy its second effect. With that said, both votes are overturned. 0-0

[Blake]

I just want to step in and say that Book of Eclipse is a stupidly good card at the moment in the metagame.

I know nothing about either card, but I felt the need to state that, as it seems to have been ignored in at least one post here.

It's nothing that would guarantee an eternal usage, but it is a card of the format.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

With that said, still need votes here

[Maeriberii Haan]

I really really really really despise a card that acts as a searcher for generic cards as a +1. It's like a trend lately that I've seen in cardmaking, and it's just sickening. I mean, can Traptrix simply act as an exception rather than the norm?

 

Card A is a searcher for Book of Moon and Book of Eclipse. One is one of the best generic -1 spell in the game, and the other is a card that can easily shift games and is also really versatile despite the risk. And, best part is, if you have a "Moon" card in your graveyard, you can simply ram this to an opponent monster or wait them try to struggle in removing it from the field without triggering its very potent effect. It's...ghostrick Yuki-Onna but good, basically. Only reason Yuki was not used is due to it being really really slow, but this? Yeah. It's a really potent pseudo removal, tbh. Thankfully it doesn't have an effect when Special Summoned, but really, designs like this is not healthy for the game, tbh. 

 

Card B...I quite liked it, tbh. It's not amazing or anything, since I believe you can't chain Scrapstorm to the card it targets, but it's a pretty nice card overall for some really nice play. And a level 7 Scrap option that's not Archfiend is pretty cool, I guess. I think it doesn't need the shuffle 1 card from your hand to deck part, but it allows you to put back dead Golems to deck so I guess it's nice enough.

 

Vote for B.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

0-1 Card B.

[Maeriberii Haan]

What exactly was the reason the two early votes were overturned, by the way?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

What exactly was the reason the two early votes were overturned, by the way?

Overlooked the fact that Card A can be used for its second effect, and neither of the votes realized that fact in their analysis.

[Maeriberii Haan]

Overlooked the fact that Card A can be used for its second effect, and neither of the votes realized that fact in their analysis.

 

Uh...I believe the two addressed that effect in their analysis.

 

And then there's the other effect, which is pretty much a one-off because most of the "Moon" cards wouldn't go well together with this card, and most likely not as a tech specifically for this effect.

 

 

Card A basically searches out two of the Book Spells (barring Taiyou and Life, which aren't Quick-Play) and can essentially neuter certain Decks for a while after the opponent destroys it; assuming you have a Book of Moon in the Graveyard (which probably will happen if you had used the card you searched earlier).

 

1200/1400 isn't particularly good on a Level 4 nowadays, but suppose that's to balance out its effect of rendering a monster "un-usable" for things, except Tribute Summons or something.

 

 

They clearly alluded to it.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Sakura's vote was talking about BoM. I'm referring about using a second copy of Card A since it is a "Moon" card. Sage's effect was talking about the other "Moon" cards. You do have final say as per section rules, so your call. Same with Sakura, but yea...

[Maeriberii Haan]

Sakura's post is about this card though (note the "after your opponent destroys it" part and the "rendering a monster unusable for things, except for tribute summon"). And to disqualify votes just since they missed the fact that you can use a second copy of this card to pay for its second effect felt a bit odd.

Especially since it's a further reasoning of why card A is unhealthy.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Vote for B because it isn't dumb.

Card A is a BoM and BoE searcher, two cards which are arguably among the best generic spells in the current format. It's not particularly well-designed, to say the least. Like Nai said, Mesmerizing Maneaters shouldn't be the norm, they should be an exception. Of course, let's not even delve into the fact that card A can Omega Lock... I don't like it. Bad. Bad CC. Never do that again.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Sakura's post is about this card though (note the "after your opponent destroys it" part and the "rendering a monster unusable for things, except for tribute summon"). And to disqualify votes just since they missed the fact that you can use a second copy of this card to pay for its second effect felt a bit odd.
Especially since it's a further reasoning of why card A is unhealthy.

Fair enough then, that seems reasonable. Votes reinstated, and that makes it 0-3 (0-4) Gadjiltron.

[Blake]

Now that it's over, I want to throw a quick 2-cents in to the winner, considering what they're being considers for;

While you are trying to design cards well, do not be afraid of effects making a plus. Raptor being a +0 at best in most scenarios made me feel less adamant about votinng, and I wanted to watch others do it, even after I read the cards in full.

The shuffle into deck, while arguably there to help set factory up better, is actually a prime example of what's wrong with it. You made it only work well with the least favorable card in the set. You should've given it more versatility in general by making it a straight +0 on its own, and made it have the chance of drawing your golem(s) to ruin your Factory search. Yeah, it's a plus I'm top of a plus, but the deck struggles to plus anyways, and this only helps to support the one card you really shouldn't, as-is.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I know I locked this already, but while card A can trigger on a second copy on the technicality that it is a "Moon" card; I generally factor in how it'd be written in Japanese, since a lot of the correlation stuff does stem from that sort of thing. 

 

Looking at it further, it could do it; depending on what Noel decided to write the Moonlight part as (there are a few options). One is 月明かり, tsukiakari (BoM is Tsuki no Shou), so if that were the case, it indeed would work with another copy. (Or by that logic, Moon Dragon Quilla would qualify for this, because it too has the "tsuki" string in its name; but we're going into inconsistency issues, so won't say further)

 

Another one would be 月光 (gekkou), which wouldn't work with another copy of itself.

 

 

I'd assume Noel wanted the first one, but I don't make assumptions on that.

Of course, if they had clarified their intent here, I might've looked it over, but still my vote would go on B (reasoning below)

 

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But indeed, Card A basically gives a fast-pass to Eclipse/Moon and has that potential to completely neuter a lot of Decks. I didn't note Eclipse because again, I'm not keeping up with certain trends in the metagame (but I have noticed some discussion on it in TCG at one point). Moon, I have definitive knowledge of it being used, so mentioned that one.

 

Then again, if card A could trigger on duplicates in Graveyard; then it'd be much worse to handle because it now has more fuel and such, so there's that.

 

So yeah, I'm going to undo Striker's negation thing, but even if I hadn't; with Divine Dragon Sage getting his reinstated, Nai/Toyo basically finished it.

(Only other time I had to force reverse a host/contestant decision was a couple months ago, but that's it. Hmm...)