Blake Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_hoRcXfKc3 Aesatellarknight Zefra Thuban (pit)3 Astellarknight Zefra Buth (roach)3 Satellarknight Deneb3 Zefra Fuxi, Treasure of the Yang Zing3 Zefra Qiuniu, Secret of the Yang Zing2 Zefra Pilica, the Bold Ritual Beast Tamer1 Ohr-Shaddoll Zefra Roots/Core1 Zefra Wendy, the Shadow Ritual Beast Tamer3 Oracle of the Zefra2 MST2 Reinforcement of the Army2 Terraforming1 Raigeki1 Snatch Steal3 Zefra Divine Attack2 Echo Oscillation2 Fiendish Chain1 Bottomless Trap Hole1 Compulsory Evacuation Device1 Solemn Warning Lesse...Of the Zefra, the four best are Pit, Roach, Fuxi, and Qiuniu.Qiuniu is the worst of these, given its level does not currently synergize with the deck, but hopefully will have something to help it. However, searching is searching, it's a wall, and it can synergize with the Tellars.Pit and Roach have the best names, due to Deneb, and their effects are not shabby at all.Fuxi is an 'infinite' tuner that makes level 7/8 happen with ease. It's a real MVP.Deneb is a really, really good card for the deck. It's extra copies of Pit and Roach, the former of which has 2 other ways to search it, and the latter one other. It just helps you set scales easily.Pilica's good for regaining advantage and being a 1 Scale. Might reduce to 1. Not great otherwise, bar Horus.Ohr is... better than I thought, but a definite one-of. It helps you gain field advantage, which often leads to both Synchroing then Xyzing in a turn, to effectively search any monster in the deck. It also goes off WHENEVER sent to the grave, so...It also has a good level.Wendy seems really useful in theory, but I have yet to really want her, just figure it's safer to run the one, especially when it's more level 3s .~.I tried a build like Ain did. We've both tried the deck, but... it's really... difficult. I doubt this is optimal, I just know it's better than earlier drafts we both had. I know Ain likes Altair, but that's neither here nor there.The problem with the deck is that you have a lot of cards you WANT to run with INCENTIVE to run, but they're just... mediocre. Exa seems really good for going 8 and the like, but the issue is that it's generally /1/ use and done. And 5's /only/ good for LEvel 8 Synchros/LEvel 9 Synchros, the latter of which won't happen.Naga is just awful. There's nothing going for it. If you want to bounce a pendulum scale, Echo Oscillation is better 9/10. Yeah, unsearchable trap, but point remains. Not like you can use Naga defensively.Saber is also fairly poor. In theory it's cute, as Valkyrus seems like a good boss for the deck in every way (even tried a Valkyrus build), but it requires way too much setup. 2 Level 4s + Itself + Valk. And you probably want Pendulum Scales so you don't throw your good advantage into the grave. That's /6/ cards.Echo Oscillation is really cute filtering. Makes getting MST'd hurt less and can synergize with Oracle's Synchro effect, not to mention Lavalval Chain.Think that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Is Caingorgorn that good to deserve to be mained nowadays? I would think there are better Rank4s to pick but I really don't know what's going on in the meta anymore. No 3rd ROTA? Since you have 6 Warriors in the main Deck. But I really can't see what you could drop to add it. Perhaps a Pirika or Wendy if she doesn't work well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Is Caingorgorn that good to deserve to be mained nowadays? I would think there are better Rank4s to pick but I really don't know what's going on in the meta anymore.No 3rd ROTA? Since you have 6 Warriors in the main Deck. But I really can't see what you could drop to add it. Perhaps a Pirika or Wendy if she doesn't work well?I needed generic neutral monsters. It's a 2450 that doesn't have to go immediately. Most R4 can't stand alone.I could only really cute Terraforming or Pilica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Could you give a brief runover on how the deck actually runs? I was experimenting around, but I really had trouble figuring some stuff out. Like, what do you usually search for with tutors, what are the most common plays etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Could you give a brief runover on how the deck actually runs? I was experimenting around, but I really had trouble figuring some stuff out. Like, what do you usually search for with tutors, what are the most common plays etc.Optimal scales are Pit and Roach. They can Pendulum Summon Deneb.Rest of the deck is just thinning with Qiuniu/Oracle/Deneb/RotA, pendulum summoning removal (pit/roach) or Fuxi, occasionally Ohr for play extension (which is when you search it).You use Echo Oscillation to dig into the deck, as well, while not losing advantage. Requires timing. It's basically just "shit out synchros ASAP and thin to get there with your decent main deck cards". CWSD, Yazi, and MRD are really the stars of the deck, though Horus can shine in his own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Yeah, my build was a mess. Wen does sound pretty good in builds using Oscillation. it somewhat ensures that you won't run out of scales to set too fast/have mismatching scales in hand. Though...I'm really just skeptical about it tbh. Might need more testing with her, but...i just don't really find her to be -that- useful aside from when you get 7 and 7 in your hand or later on in the game when you've already set things up. And yeah, I'm still on the opinion that Altair as a 1-of sounds pretty neat. I mean, it's immediately live as soon as Dened dies/you pull a R4, and while the no attacking sucks, the neat on demand R4 access is neat whenever you need a problem solver ASAP. That aside, how's 82 doing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Yeah, my build was a mess. Wen does sound pretty good in builds using Oscillation. it somewhat ensures that you won't run out of scales to set too fast/have mismatching scales in hand. Though...I'm really just skeptical about it tbh. Might need more testing with her, but...i just don't really find her to be -that- useful aside from when you get 7 and 7 in your hand or later on in the game when you've already set things up. And yeah, I'm still on the opinion that Altair as a 1-of sounds pretty neat. I mean, it's immediately live as soon as Dened dies/you pull a R4, and while the no attacking sucks, the neat on demand R4 access is neat whenever you need a problem solver ASAP. That aside, how's 82 doing here?Yeah. I feel like Wen's good, but at the same time she seems so niche... at least she doubles as a spell?I'll probably test Altair before too long.Yet to make it, just idk what else to run. I don't really need removal xyz, just things to sit on .~. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I needed generic neutral monsters. It's a 2450 that doesn't have to go immediately. Most R4 can't stand alone. I see. Good to know Caingorgorn is a solid choice, I have always liked that card. I keep looking at the deck and I have this feeling that Foolish could be good by milling Ohr and/or generating targets for Pirika and it would also support Altair if you were to test it. But at the same time, running it for the sake of 2~3 cards in this deck doesn't sound like a good idea; perhaps it is better left for another build/variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Would you mind if I asked which simulator are you using? Neither YGOPro nor Devpro appear to have been updated yet. Also, OT: Yeah, Konami USA's article confirms Shodw Mist is female. Sorry for the disturbance that time, guys. I just wish they've made her breasts more protruding in order just to avoid that confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 OT: Yeah, Konami USA's article confirms Shodw Mist is female. Sorry for the disturbance that time, guys. I just wish they've made her breasts more protruding in order just to avoid that confusion. Um.... what. I thought that was so obvious.... Because the long hair and seemingly more feminine body didnt give it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Please do not spam in topics with unrelated conversation. Also, at Pchi, it's from here: https://www.youtube.com/user/YGOhack137, fanpatch for YGOPro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Please do not spam in topics with unrelated conversation. Also, at Pchi, it's from here: https://www.youtube.com/user/YGOhack137, fanpatch for YGOPro. Oh, thanks a lot :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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