Cool Girl Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Recently, there has been a suicide at Gunn High School! A boy in senior took his own life. The reasons are unknown. Let's talk about it. My thoughts on this: My heart goes out to his family and the school. Even though it may have not been academic stress, I still believe we need to improve our education system and teach kids that the most important thing in life is to be happy, not grades. Also, we need to learn that what's important in class is that you understand the lesson and you shouldn't worry about grades because if you understand the lesson, you'll get a good grade. Let me know what you guys think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 So.. what does the education system have to do with this? Suicide is suicide, there's always going to be that 1 guy in high school who does it. Fortunately, at my school when I was still attending, the suicide there, I didn't even know the person, sooo, it didn't really affect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Girl Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I said that because academic stress could be a factor to why he comited suicide (not saying it's because of that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Unfortunately suicides happen a lot in high schools, so while this is sad I don't see why it's being singled out. When my brother and sister were in school they had 4 suicides in one year. You can't really just teach people to be happy. And there's zero point in blaming it on stress, we have no idea what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Unfortunately, without details there's not much to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Yeah. This suicide is just another suicide without any actual information. Sad, but it happens and people do it. Until there is information, I can't say his death has much meaning. Also, a suicide is no reason to start a revolution. Educational stress is something everyone deals with, so there isn't going to claim to change an educational system because of someone committing suicide due to the stress getting to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Also, a suicide is no reason to start a revolution. Educational stress is something everyone deals with, so there isn't going to claim to change an educational system because of someone committing suicide due to the stress getting to him. I'd like to add to this. Having an anxiety disorder I have stress about...well basically everything. Educational stress is bad yes, but if it's stress that causes someone to do this then there has to have been something more than that one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 He's in a better place, he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 He's in a better place, he really is. Oh, how true this is. The sheer amount of shit stories in the media lately prove that you really don't want to live on this planet anymore. The shit is getting worse and worse, on both ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limited Edition KING Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 From looking at the title, the thing I want to know is whether or not the student used a 'gun' as the weapon that ended their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I like how you people can say that he is in a better world without trying to even make the world a little better. Stop being hard shit and do something nice instead of complaining of how bad the world is. If you're not making it better, than of course the world is a horrible place. so instead of complaining or using suicide to say how bad the world is, help prevent a suicide for someone so that their world is better. Even for one person, you are making the world better. It is just that the media loves horror, evil, and pain instead of their opposites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I like how you people can say that he is in a better world without trying to even make the world a little better. Stop being hard shit and do something nice instead of complaining of how bad the world is. If you're not making it better, than of course the world is a horrible place. so instead of complaining or using suicide to say how bad the world is, help prevent a suicide for someone so that their world is better. Even for one person, you are making the world better. It is just that the media loves horror, evil, and pain instead of their opposites. I'd like to agree with you, but I can't. Simply because the world doesn't work that way. While I'm fortunate enough to have prevented a suicide by a dear friend of mine--who is schizophrenic but manages very well and is doing well, thank God--you can't just 'prevent a suicide'. Unless you're physically holding this person against their will and keeping them from committing suicide, you can't just 'prevent' it. You can slow it down, you can try to ease the pain, but there are no guarantees. But, by being a better person, perhaps you and the person you're attempting to love so hard will remain together a little bit longer. It starts with you, but it doesn't end with you. To make the world a better place, start with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I never said to just prevent a suicide, but help to do so. Of course you can't always, but you can try. You also said my entire post but with regard to improving self before anything, while I said to help others and do better things, which is improving yourself. don't agree with me, but agree with me. Thanks for follow up to my post, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I never said to just prevent a suicide, but help to do so. Of course you can't always, but you can try. You also said my entire post but with regard to improving self before anything, while I said to help others and do better things, which is improving yourself. don't agree with me, but agree with me. Thanks for follow up to my post, though. Well said sir. It's always good to know there will be more than one other person out doing what they can, when they can, to save a life. It starts with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairman ali Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 "Suicide happens a lot in schools" really? we never had this problem in Kuwait. We just had horny boys trying to stick their male organ anywhere possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'll be honest, when I saw the title I was partially expecting this to be a joke thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 People have a whole load of reasons why people decide to take their own lives, academic stress could be one, but that's usually because of parental expectation. People need to work on improve mental wellbeing, schools are a great place to work on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I like how you people can say that he is in a better world without trying to even make the world a little better. Stop being hard s*** and do something nice instead of complaining of how bad the world is. If you're not making it better, than of course the world is a horrible place. so instead of complaining or using suicide to say how bad the world is, help prevent a suicide for someone so that their world is better. Even for one person, you are making the world better. It is just that the media loves horror, evil, and pain instead of their opposites. Well said. Suicide is a terrifying reality and I don't know what happens to people after they die. It can help soften the blow of people leaving the world well before their time to reinterpret the situation with optimistic elements that can't be proven to make it seem as though they've transported with their vitality and essence intact in more agreeable circumstances than the ones they'd fled from, but I don't know that and it could be that they overlooked other options to gradually improve their circumstances to ones more bearable without fleeing. We must subscribe, then, to the same pretence that had kept the suicides going before they broke: that options are either available or will become available to better our circumstances. Suicides are evidence that this pretence can be undermined. That's the truly terrifying part of suicide and of crimes in general, that they are not the result of a question that prompts itself once, but cyclically. It is not a yes or no question that results in suicide, it is a set of circumstances, both internal and external, with too few visible alternatives not to perpetuate the prompting of the question until it is acted upon. I ask because you bring it up and I'm curious: have you ever saved anyone on the verge of suicide? I would think that it's not necessarily easy to determine whether someone's on the verge of suicide to begin with, it's harder still to assume their position accurately, see something they don't, and convince them to see it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Girl Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 From looking at the title, the thing I want to know is whether or not the student used a 'gun' as the weapon that ended their life. To answer your question, no, he did not use a gun, he jumped off a building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Girl Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I now have more information about this news! The victim is a boy in 12th grade! The reason for his suicide was two reasons: 1) It was because of academic stress 2) He admitted to his class that he was gay, and after that, he was bullied for it. After that, he told his parents and then his parents kicked him out of their home and told him to never come back. Apparently, it was too much for him to handle, so he took his own life. It's sad!!! How about respecting the kid and minding your own business. In general, suicide is sad. In my wellness class (because I go to a private high school), we talked about suicide and the reason they do it is because they're just stuck and they want the pain to be over. Our geometry teacher told us a story about his dad. He said he took his own life because he was very ill and wanted the pain to stop. It hurts, and whenever I hear these stories, sometimes, it makes me want to cry and makes me want to help somebody. I take these kind of stories as a life lesson! If somebody close to me feels hurt or needs my help, I'd help them the best way I can! I've never saved anybody from suicide, but I wish I could and I will if I ever encounter that situation. By the way, got this information from somebody. Might not be totally reliable, but that's what I have. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I now have more information about this news! The victim is a boy in 12th grade! The reason for his suicide was two reasons: 1) It was because of academic stress 2) He admitted to his class that he was gay, and after that, he was bullied for it. After that, he told his parents and then his parents kicked him out of their home and told him to never come back. Apparently, it was too much for him to handle, so he took his own life. It's sad!!! How about respecting the kid and minding your own business. In general, suicide is sad. In my wellness class (because I go to a private high school), we talked about suicide and the reason they do it is because they're just stuck and they want the pain to be over. Our geometry teacher told us a story about his dad. He said he took his own life because he was very ill and wanted the pain to stop. It hurts, and whenever I hear these stories, sometimes, it makes me want to cry and makes me want to help somebody. I take these kind of stories as a life lesson! If somebody close to me feels hurt or needs my help, I'd help them the best way I can! I've never saved anybody from suicide, but I wish I could and I will if I ever encounter that situation. By the way, got this information from somebody. Might not be totally reliable, but that's what I have. Thoughts? So, you say academic stress was a factor, when in reality it had nothing to do with it. He committed suicide because he came out of the closet and was met with scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 It takes alot of courage to come out of the closet, and to be shunned when you do, poor kid. I forget some people still have backwards views in 2015, when homosexual shouldn't be anything we care about because it shouldn't have to be an issue. Alot of people will not tell you they need help, I hid my depression from 15 to 21 (I only revealed by self harming to my doctor because 5 weeks of extremely poor sleep left me so upset and drained) and believe me people get better at hiding it. I was never suicidal, but sometimes they go hand in hand, you never know if someone around you has depression or suicidal thoughts until they are have to admit it or have killed themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Girl Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 I feel you! I have depression too! I was bullied as a kid, but it didn't really affect me! By the end of 8th grade, I realize I started feeling down and depressed a lot! Thanks for sharing! There's another bit of information, but it might not be important. This is the 4th suicide at Gunn High School in the last 3 months. The Palo Alto community is seriously talking about preventions. Many students want the academic stress to stop, and they want the amount of homework to be reduced. I agree! The Homework load needs to stop! We need to have a social life too! I barely had a social life in middle school because I get 6 hours of homework a night! But, that kid took his own life because he admitted that he is gay. How about teaching kids to accept other people's sexuality! And shame on his parents for kicking him out! Poor kid! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Homework isn't the necessarily the issue and neither is Academic Stress. There are so many reasons people can feel depressed, and I feel bullying within schools is a far bigger issue than Academic Stress and Homework. Unfortunately discrimination is still far too common nowadays (even if it attitudes are starting to change), so it's more of teaching co-existance and tolerance of people rather than just focusing on homophobic attitudes. We may be far more rational than we used to and more accepting, but it's still something we struggle to shake off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 In my wellness class (because I go to a private high school), we talked about suicide and the reason they do it is because they're just stuck and they want the pain to be over. Those who haven't committed suicide have no business making sweeping generalizations about the intentions of those who have. So, you say academic stress was a factor, when in reality it had nothing to do with it. He committed suicide because he came out of the closet and was met with scrutiny. Why couldn't multiple factors have contributed? Plenty of people are met with adversity after coming out and don't commit suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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