LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I have a feeling that Greninja isn't going to do very well in Ubers, but it is doing too good in OU. Which is the problem. It can't hit quite hard enough to deal with threats in Ubers from what I can tell. So it's tricky.But it certainly doesn't belong in OU anymore. Also gonna be updating the OP at some point. Adding a spoiler for "Current tournaments" "Past tournaments" "Rankings" and anything else I think should go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I have the first Season's tournament set up. If possible I'd love it if we could have a Bookie to take in bets for the tournament, to add extra spice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I have the first Season's tournament set up. If possible I'd love it if we could have a Bookie to take in bets for the tournament, to add extra spice.Oh nice, that's good. Um....a Bookie you say? I don't know how this would work exactly.As in other people outside of here make bets? Could be interesting. What would the winner get in that case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Oh nice, that's good. Um....a Bookie you say? I don't know how this would work exactly. As in other people outside of here make bets? Could be interesting. What would the winner get in that case?The winner of the bet would obviously get the spoils of the bet, whereas the tourney winner will gain points from a prize pool I'll be contributing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Well if you can work out all the math that goes along with it I'd say go for it.We'd have to make a thread for bets I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 YCM username: I don't have onePokemon Showdown username: BidoofmydoofFavorite tier: NUFavorite type: Psychic It would have been cooler if you asked for favorite Pokémon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Well Hina, no one has ever accused me of being cool. ^^ And because I'm extra not cool I will just fill in your YCM username as "Hina" for now. XPBut, accepted, nice name. XD Will add to OP in a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 If Greninja gets banned to Ubers, I'm quitting Showdown.(tbf, I also said this about Swagger and Mega Mawile, yet here I am still playing Showdown) People aren't going to learn how to counter threats if we just sequester them away to where only the Pokemon meant to wreck house can deal with them. You can't actually counter Greninja as a pokemon. That is the problem. All of its check and counters (bar Pory 2+eviolite) is massacred by one of its potential moves. Chansey or fairies? Gunk Shot. Empoleon? Low Kick. Scarf? Good luck switching in without it getting killed or heavily damaged, and Greninja can just leave. You must predict all 4 of its move in teams like Offense or Balanced, otherwise it just walks all over your team since you accidentally sent a "check" or "counter" which turns out being killed by one of its coverage move. You can only counter certain sets, basically. Ferrothorn checks non HP-fire/Low Kick variants, Tentacruel checks non Extrasensory one, etc. Another problem is that in Offense or Balanced team, you are forced to run comparably sub par stuff or stuffs that just hurts the team just to not be massacred by Greninja outright. Next problem is, while every other pokemon has coverage options too, Greninja actually makes them -threatening- immediately. Standard LO greninja hits ridiculously hard for something with 103 SpA, and you don't even have to actually do anything. Just come in safely and start attacking. Then again, why things are banned are completely independent from whether it's adaptable to. If something is too overcentralizing to the meta to the point of influencing teambuilding heavily (Greninja, Aegislash), plain stupid 50/50 that actually works in the user's favor (evasion, Swagger), or just generally able to punch holes in teams too easily (M-Mawile), those could and should be considered as a suspect. If we're talking Yugioh, think of it as why you want certain cards to be hit. It's either because it's a part of an overwhelming/degenerate tier 1 deck, OR is from a completely unfun strategy that's not competitive (things like Exodia Turbo, Final COuntdown, any GIshki deck/hand loop, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Kay so like, if there's nothing solid figured out by January 1st I will set up a fairly basic tournament just to get something started. I was thinking something a bit different but not too much so. OU but with 1 Uber Pokemon. We'll have to work out a list of Ubers that are totally not allowed though. I was thinking Primal Kyogre and Groudon maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Primal Kyogre, Kyogre, Groudon, Primal Groudon, Xerneas, Arceus (all forms). Though tbh, this is not really a nice idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 That works. But hmm, care to explain why it's not? I figure it would mainly be trying to work around the Uber and gain enough advantage to bring it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 The game can easily devolve into ''counter the opponent Uber or die', which seriously wrecks team designs as we need to check Uber threats using the limited resources of OU or below. Game can easily be decided from team preview, as failing to counter an opposing Uber threat can easily means game. Granted, I might be exaggerating this a bit, but you should get what I'm concerned with. EDIT: Also, seriously. What makes Mega-Gengar powerful and scary (even almost made it kicked from freaking ubers, before MRay is a thing) is its ability to trap and kill anything and perform a shitton of jobs well, given the right set. Basically, you make a team, and slap a MGengar to it to deal with anything your team is weak to. Coupled with ridiculous speed and SpA, that is what makes it threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Well I can understand, but the idea stemmed from seeing people with mixed tier teams in Ubers doing well, but I can see your point.Maybe making restrictions to the Uber. Like it can't come out unless at least two of your Pokemon are KOed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self-Destruct Button Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 That would limit teambuilding in unpleasant ways. Say, you wanted to play stall. In that case your uber would be something like Giratina-O or PhDef Yveltal as a common switch-in for various threats, but if you could only use these after several pokemon have fainted, it would nullify their whole use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Well battled a team in Ubers with a team of 4 OU 1 BL and 1 Uber. I won that match. So I think it can be done, but I might test some more later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 That's only one battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Well probably will just start up a regular OU tournament soon then. Might have an entrance fee of...*checks members points* Well then. We have an odd mix of a lot and barely any points so I have no idea. 1-200? Also I think I owe Trap some points now that I think of it. Anyway. Random thought for anyone who wishes to discuss.Choice Band Ferrothorn. y/n? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Well probably will just start up a regular OU tournament soon then. Might have an entrance fee of...*checks members points* Well then. We have an odd mix of a lot and barely any points so I have no idea. 1-200? Also I think I owe Trap some points now that I think of it. Anyway. Random thought for anyone who wishes to discuss.Choice Band Ferrothorn. y/n? Gyro Ball, Power Whip, and? It doesn't have the moveset to pull it tbh. it's effectively just gimping yourself, and at that point you should've used Metagross instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Gyro Ball, Power Whip, and? It doesn't have the moveset to pull it tbh. it's effectively just gimping yourself, and at that point you should've used Metagross instead.Knock Off, Aerial Ace... or Explosion? I suppose it does suffer from lack of offensive moves.I'm crazy, keep in mind. You saw my physical Venusaur.Hmm...well it gets SD, Hone Claws, Curse... I suppose if going Offensive maybe Curse would be a good option, provided you clear the field of Fire.Curse, Leech Seed, Gyro Ball, Power Whip? Hmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolvenDoom Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 YCM username:WolvenDoomPokemon Showdown username:WolvenDoomFavorite tier:BHFavorite type:Dark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 YCM username:WolvenDoomPokemon Showdown username:WolvenDoomFavorite tier:BHFavorite type:Dark Oh hey look 16 people now! But I gotta ask. What is BH tier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Balanced Hackmons. Not exactly a tier, but it's a custom-ish metagame. Pretty fun, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Oh I see, huh. That does sound interesting, maybe should try it out sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self-Destruct Button Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 IMPOSTER CHANSEY EVERYWHEREI'm not even joking. Imposter Chansey is really the whole Hackmon-Tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 IMPOSTER CHANSEY EVERYWHEREI'm not even joking. Imposter Chansey is really the whole Hackmon-Tier. that thing is evil incarnate, like damn. Then again, BH's not a meta known for its diversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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