CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Mischief of the Yokai is potentially very good here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Thanks klavier, never even seen how good that card could be. What would i take out though? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 It allows you to summon way more than you would normally be able to, plus it can do the same but worse from getting milled. You can also use it to fuck up opponent's Xyz'ing, because I believe you can use the effect from grave at Spell Speed 2, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 you can ban people from specific topics? how? I mean I remember you telling me to leave, but that can't be what you're talking about, is it? cause if you really think I'll listen to you, you must not realize how stubborn I can be Your not even abiding by the clause anymore? (well you didnt in your last post but i thought you would leave so i let it slide). Seriously if your not listening to me then you shouldnt be replying to my comments then? This isnt smart its just stupid. It allows you to summon way more than you would normally be able to, plus it can do the same but worse from getting milled. You can also use it to f*** up opponent's Xyz'ing, because I believe you can use the effect from grave at Spell Speed 2, yes? Yes you can i believe. But what would i take out of my main build on the OP? >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Maybe Nests and 1 Scarm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Cools ill try it out ^^ Updated OP ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 It allows you to summon way more than you would normally be able to, plus it can do the same but worse from getting milled. You can also use it to f*** up opponent's Xyz'ing, because I believe you can use the effect from grave at Spell Speed 2, yes? Yes. Thanks klavier, never even seen how good that card could be. What would i take out though? :/ I was using it first... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Yes. I was using it first... :( I know that feeling :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 What do you think of the rest of my list Expel? You played this deck first so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 What do you think of the rest of my list Expel? You played this deck first so. No Ba'al? (I play him at 3 just because i would run him at 40 if i could) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Oh, Ba'al is Level 7, I missed that! Ok, it makes him way better than I thought, even solely for the level. Being able to pull a Dracossack out of grave sounds like a plan. You could probably cut the Necrofaces from my list...but ugh, they seem to do so much. I dunno. Maybe an MST, 1 smaller Infernoid and something else. Or just the Upstarts. Dunno, just theorycrafting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 This topic is going fast... What do you think of the rest of my list Expel? You played this deck first so Well, you need spaces for Vael, that's for sure. As for Necroface, yeah, he's good, but THEORETICALLY he's going to be replaced by actual Infernoid banish recursion later. If you're cutting a smaller Infernoid for any reason, Lucifugus is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I'll probably end up running 2 Ba'als...Vaels...whatever >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Oh, Ba'al is Level 7, I missed that! Ok, it makes him way better than I thought, even solely for the level. Being able to pull a Dracossack out of grave sounds like a plan. You could probably cut the Necrofaces from my list...but ugh, they seem to do so much. I dunno. Maybe an MST, 1 smaller Infernoid and something else. Or just the Upstarts. Dunno, just theorycrafting here. may I suggest just adding them? if having 43 cards kills the deck, then it needs work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Having more than 40 cards kills consistency. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 see this is what i don't like. you're to set on the idea that you have to have a 40 card deck that you're not willing to even consider more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 may I suggest just adding them? if having 43 cards kills the deck, then it needs work. It's tough, I know, but all the research from the beginning of time suggests that this is not a mathematically good idea. Especially when you pretty much rely on Reasoning, which is only 3 cards out of the deck to really work. Having more than 40 cards kills consistency. Period. That being said though, I remember talk of people running 41 cards for the Lightsworn mirror match Hehehee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gENVB6tjq_M You draw 5 cards at the beginning. Let's assume you want to open a Kuribandit. First card has a 3/40 chance of being a Kuribandit. 2nd has a 3/39 chance of that. And so on. 43 cards? 3/43. 3/42. You...don't need to calculate that to see the odds are way lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 It's tough, I know, but all the research from the beginning of time suggests that this is not a mathematically good idea.Especially when you pretty much rely on Reasoning, which is only 3 cards out of the deck to really work. That being said though, I remember talk of people running 41 cards for the Lightsworn mirror matchHehehee.why are you even using reasoning? it mills WAY to much from this deck imo. and ha. but seriously if adding 3 cards to the deck ruins it, it was already not very good. imo. especially when those 3 cards are Ba'al. Cause he's awesome and all.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gENVB6tjq_M You draw 5 cards at the beginning. Let's assume you want to open a Kuribandit. First card has a 3/40 chance of being a Kuribandit. 2nd has a 3/39 chance of that. And so on.43 cards? 3/43. 3/42. You...don't need to calculate that to see the odds are way lower.I feel slightly insulted by this cause I'm in the most advanced math class someone in my grade can be in and you think I didn't know that. but i submit again: It's tough, I know, but all the research from the beginning of time suggests that this is not a mathematically good idea.Especially when you pretty much rely on Reasoning, which is only 3 cards out of the deck to really work. That being said though, I remember talk of people running 41 cards for the Lightsworn mirror matchHehehee.why are you even using reasoning? it mills WAY to much from this deck imo. and ha. but seriously if adding 3 cards to the deck ruins it, it was already not very good. imo. especially when those 3 cards are Ba'al. Cause he's awesome and all.also, futuama is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 And yet you refuse clear, statistical evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 why are you even using reasoning? it mills WAY to much from this deck imo. and ha. but seriously if adding 3 cards to the deck ruins it, it was already not very good. imo. especially when those 3 cards are Ba'al. Cause he's awesome and all.It's tough, I know, but all the research from the beginning of time suggests that this is not a mathematically good idea.Especially when you pretty much rely on Reasoning, which is only 3 cards out of the deck to really work. That being said though, I remember talk of people running 41 cards for the Lightsworn mirror matchHehehee.why are you even using reasoning? it mills WAY to much from this deck imo. and ha. but seriously if adding 3 cards to the deck ruins it, it was already not very good. imo. especially when those 3 cards are Ba'al. Cause he's awesome and all.I submit this for a third time, since you seem to be ignoring it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 why are you even using reasoning? it mills WAY to much from this deck imo. and ha. but seriously if adding 3 cards to the deck ruins it, it was already not very good. imo. especially when those 3 cards are Ba'al. Cause he's awesome and all. You're right, it does mill a LOT from the deck, which is why I was hesitant to use Needlebug Nest, especially when you have Kuribandit milling you too.... But the thing is, milling is what Infernoids sorely want to do. All of their monsters except the lowest 3 can be summoned from the grave. Trying to summon them using your hand can get VERY costly (which is why Blazing Void is good), so basically the goal is to destroy your deck, and load up your actual deck (being the Graveyard). This strategy may change in the future, when Konami decides what Infernoids are going to actually be capable of with the other 3 monsters, but for now, it's all we've got. Also, while I'm on the subject, a point against Necroface is that while it resets all your Infernoids, you don't get any of your Reasoning/Monster Gate targets back, which you probably already milled out if you're using Necroface, which simultaneously makes them dead cards while filling your deck back up with cards you don't want to draw. If you wanna use Necroface, you're gonna have to be careful about when to employ it, but as I said before, I'm SURE Konami is working on Burial from the Infernal Dimension... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 i hate to bring my build into this bc of the differences in build, but..... in my build, I'm pretty ok w/out needle nest, reasoning, and only one kuribandit. (which i might make two) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 i hate to bring my build into this bc of the differences in build, but..... in my build, I'm pretty ok w/out needle nest, reasoning, and only one kuribandit. (which i might make two) This begs the question, what is your deck actually doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 This begs the question, what is your deck actually doing? i don't think that's very relevant, but what do you mean? doing as in?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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