The Command Tower (EDH Hangout)

[Flame Dragon]

So, my friends played a all but the GB commander deck so I got to see how good the decks/new cards are.

 

The white black deck seems good. Some weird choices but overall very playable. Daxos himself is really powerful since even when you run out of things to do you can always cast him and make a bunch of giant things.

 

The red blue deck has a lot of bad cards, but is still fine since the good ones are nuts in the deck. Mizzix is indeed insane, especially with X spells and things you can keep recasting.

 

The red white deck seemed bad. Might have been because the one time it was played my friend drew like crap and I had a ton of good stuff (not helped by playing a highly tuned deck) but it just needs so much to come together. Kalemne is scary, but not the hardest to deal with. Plus at 4 mana its hard to keep casting her while also building up a good number of experience counters.

 

Ezuri seems insane. This was helped by it being the only deck that wasn't right of the box. He gets counters stupid easy and his effect goes live at start of combat so as long as you have a few your good even if he dies a bit. Not to mention the number of cards that have insane synergy with him is through the roof.

 

 

Also, in one of the games I did the best play of O-Ringing my own Sphere of Safety to get my opponent's 17 creatures to attack my Gideon Jura while I had Isperia, Supreme Judge in play. Sadly I missed on all the draw and died the next turn.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Azure seems insane. This was helped by it being the only deck that wasn't right of the box. He gets counters stupid easy and his effect goes live at start of combat so as long as you have a few your good even if he dies a bit. Not to mention the number of cards that have insane synergy with him is through the roof.

Just think of it in a deck with infect. I am hyped to build this.

[Flame Dragon]

Just think of it in a deck with infect. I am hyped to build this.

He has the drake in there. Not playing others cause he wants to be nice.

 

 

Also, I was thinking about something and I think I cast Dissipate as Dissolve in one of the games. Like I guess they both start Diss and are 1UU counters + extra but how did I do that? Maybe because I had Thassa out and was just in a scry mentality. Blah. I should really be better at not making such a simple screw up. Especially since I only have Dissipate.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wanpaaaaaaaaanch/

 

It took literally 3 episodes of watching One-Punch Man before this happened.

[Flame Dragon]

I feel like killing in one punch means you'd want more equipment. You'd need +8 to get the one hit kill with double strike. You'd need +3 to kill with double strike and an extra attack step. Prowess does help, but it needs a bit of extra help to get there I'd imagine. Also feel this deck wants more card draw.

 

Vedalken Archmage seems good since turning all those mana works into cantrips seems powerful.

Sunforger does exactly what you want getting spell for Shu as well as growing him.

In general I feel you want more cards that allow for extra attacks. You can look at my Iroas deck a couple pages back to see the best ones I found.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Monks who are heroes for fun don't use swords.

 

Also, not saying at all that this is the best way to build shu yun, and not even saying that my list is the best for this sort of build, but I got a turn 2 win yesterday and it was delicious.

[Big Bad Pennar]

Oops, I accidentally a Deck

 

Please Evaluate And Criticize Honestly

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

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Please Evaluate And Criticize Honestly

How is Ezuri's Predation working out for you?

[Flame Dragon]

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Please Evaluate And Criticize Honestly

The problem I see with the deck is it doesn't have any real USE for all the mana. They deck really wants Nylea and Helix Pinnacle. Some Edlrazi should be in here imo. Kozilek and Newlamog being the best two. You have a lot of bad card draw cards and Regal Force is a million times better. Hornet Queen is good since it lets you interact with flying creatures and Steel Hellkite both gives you one and can blow things up. If you want more removal Beast Within and Lignify are your best options. Caged Sun also fits this decks theme perfectly and should be in it.

 

 

 

As for cuts, not a fan of Primal Surge since its pretty easy to miss. Elixir of Immortality is a terrible card imo. You'd almost always rather have things in your graveyard. If you want to fetch things bad that badly something like Creeping Renaissance is MUCH better. Myojin of Life's Web seems weak here. It isn't a Shaman and you don't have a lot of good things to cheat out. Elvish Piper is similar. It is a shaman but your really light on giant fatties. I'm honestly not sure how good Ezuri's Predation is here. 4/4s are big enough to get some things, but I feel miss a lot without help. Thats your call though. Shizuko, Caller of Autumn matches the theme but I REALLY don't like giving opponents 3 mana. Shaman of Spring is a Shaman but it feels so inefficient and the draw is easily replaceable as said above.

 

As for the mana base, I think you need more basics. Stuff like Grasslands, Hollow Trees, Hickory Woodlot, Llanowar Reborn, Mountain Valley, Sapseep Forest, and Turntimber Grove I feel are worse than a basic. Of those Llanowat Reborn, Sapped Forest, and Turntimber Grove would be the ones I'd most want to cut since their effects are so marginal and really not worth it.

[Big Bad Pennar]

How is Ezuri's Predation working out for you?

 

I find that it's pretty hilarious to use, I've only ran into 1 instance where it wasn't a full on Creature Nuke, but that's like one of 5 matches, I believe it's keep-able

 

The problem I see with the deck is it doesn't have any real USE for all the mana.

1. They deck really wants Nylea and Helix Pinnacle. Nylea I'll consider, but I don't like the thought of wastefully dumping mana into Pinnacle, so no on the latter

2. Some Edlrazi should be in here imo. Kozilek and Newlamog being the best two. I was looking for other Giant Fatties to throw out like nuts for the deck, so i'll consider those

3. You have a lot of bad card draw cards and Regal Force is a million times better. Yea, I can tell you that I really need some good card draw, couldn't think of that one at the time

4. Hornet Queen is good since it lets you interact with flying creatures and Steel Hellkite both gives you one and can blow things up. I'll consider them

5. If you want more removal Beast Within and Lignify are your best options. Beast Within I can definitely use, not sure about Lignify though

6. Caged Sun also fits this decks theme perfectly and should be in it. Why did I not think of that!?

 

As for cuts,

7. not a fan of Primal Surge since its pretty easy to miss. I'll cut that out last, since I find that it still yields a large number of advantage, but yea, that is a point

8. Elixir of Immortality is a terrible card imo. You'd almost always rather have things in your graveyard. Actually, I need more Graveyard Retrieval and that's the only one aside from Skullwinder I can think of that I didn't have in the deck

9. If you want to fetch things bad that badly something like Creeping Renaissance is MUCH better. -Looks it up- Wow, that IS much better, i'll replace it with that

10. Myojin of Life's Web seems weak here. It isn't a Shaman and you don't have a lot of good things to cheat out. It is a more recent tweak and I have not tested it out yet, so i'll see about it

11. Elvish Piper is similar. It is a shaman but your really light on giant fatties. This on the other hand, I find is good for throwing out a Patron, but it's otherwise underwhelming

12. I'm honestly not sure how good Ezuri's Predation is here. 4/4s are big enough to get some things, but I feel miss a lot without help. Thats your call though. See the response above

13. Shizuko, Caller of Autumn matches the theme but I REALLY don't like giving opponents 3 mana. I never see her out anyway, so i'll cut her out of the deck

14. Shaman of Spring is a Shaman but it feels so inefficient and the draw is easily replaceable as said above. I don't like her anyway, i feel she's dead the many times i had her in the hand

 

15. As for the mana base, I think you need more basics. Stuff like Grasslands, Hollow Trees, Hickory Woodlot, Llanowar Reborn, Mountain Valley, Sapseep Forest, and Turntimber Grove I feel are worse than a basic. Of those Llanowat Reborn, Sapped Forest, and Turntimber Grove would be the ones I'd most want to cut since their effects are so marginal and really not worth it. I feel the same, I've ran out of basics in a lot of my matches, I am going to cut some of them for more basics

[Flame Dragon]

I don't like the thought of wastefully dumping mana into Pinnacle, so no on the latter

 

Beast Within I can definitely use, not sure about Lignify though

 

Actually, I need more Graveyard Retrieval and that's the only one aside from Skullwinder I can think of that I didn't have in the deck

Don't think like that. Your deck makes a LOT of mana and mana you have, but have no use for, is just wasted. Pinnacle fixes that.

 

Lignify is really good in commander since it basically just removes a commander. Its part of the VERY small group of removal that can actually take a commander out for a long while.

 

Grave Sifter? I'm not a fan of helping everyone, but your a tribal deck and this can get back a LOT of stuff.

[Trebuchet MS]

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wanpaaaaaaaaanch/

 

It took literally 3 episodes of watching One-Punch Man before this happened.

Sounds like my Narset Deck, only a fair bit faster with its 3-2-1-KILL-SHOT. Watch out for Telemin performance - if it fires off you just die.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

But yeah, helix pinnacle is just really awkward, in my experience. Since you already have tooth and nail, a good wincon could be made with that, Avenger of Zendikar, and Craterhoof Behemoth. Concordant Crossroads makes that wincon even crazier, as well as synergizing really well with the commander.

[Big Bad Pennar]

Don't think like that. Your deck makes a LOT of mana and mana you have, but have no use for, is just wasted. Pinnacle fixes that. 2 reasons:

1. Omnath fixes that problem and it's a more useful thing to dump my mana into, since it holds the excess, i can cast tons after striking with a huge beater

2. I tap my shamans just to make enough mana to cast my spells, any spare can block if need be

 

Lignify is really good in commander since it basically just removes a commander. Its part of the VERY small group of removal that can actually take a commander out for a long while. I'm more of a fan of cards that are useful in other situations, even though having a commander out is a common occurrence, what about the times where the commander isn't there? I'm still saying no to it

 

Grave Sifter? I'm not a fan of helping everyone, but your a tribal deck and this can get back a LOT of stuff. I'm not a huge fan of helping everyone else either because some people start catching on to what I aim early and that puts a dent in the plan at times, no on the sifter

But yeah, helix pinnacle is just really awkward, in my experience.

Since you already have tooth and nail, a good wincon could be made with that, Avenger of Zendikar, and Craterhoof Behemoth. Was looking for more Fatties  to drop with the Ginormous amount of mana I produce, I don't like Avenger as it doesn't do much on it's own, Craterhoof on the other hand is going right in, I kept Life's Web so that'll be my Synergy with that

Concordant Crossroads makes that wincon even crazier, as well as synergizing really well with the commander. I was looking for something that gave haste to creatures as well... and good lord that fits the bill the best, but it helps everyone, which i'm not exactly a fan of, but the deck really likes the haste

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Thousand-Year Elixir is another option.

[Flame Dragon]

1. Omnath fixes that problem and it's a more useful thing to dump my mana into, since it holds the excess, i can cast tons after striking with a huge beater

2. I tap my shamans just to make enough mana to cast my spells, any spare can block if need be

 

I'm more of a fan of cards that are useful in other situations, even though having a commander out is a common occurrence, what about the times where the commander isn't there? I'm still saying no to it

 

I'm not a huge fan of helping everyone else either because some people start catching on to what I aim early and that puts a dent in the plan at times, no on the sifter

I still think its worth while to have multiple mana sinks. I have an Elf EDH deck which can make similar amounts of mana and I still want more mana sinks.

 

The ones you leave up to block can be tapped for mana before your next turn still. Personally I just think you want a couple more things to sink your mana into.

 

If the commander isn't there you can kill something else. Though if you want something more all purpose Song of the Dryads works.

 

I get that. Another option is Greenwarden of Murasa.

[Trebuchet MS]

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mizzix-the-science-izzet/

 

So after getting in a tiring game of Star due to 4 other players getting extort sources, I figured I need sources of lifegain. But there aren't many good ones in UR - is there anything better for this deck aside from Tablet of the Guilds?

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mizzix-the-science-izzet/

 

So after getting in a tiring game of Star due to 4 other players getting extort sources, I figured I need sources of lifegain. But there aren't many good ones in UR - is there anything better for this deck aside from Tablet of the Guilds?

Being in the two colors that don't really get lifegain, you don't have much. Either Tablet or Venser's Journal, and the latter is quite slow.

[Rodrigo]

Pristine Talisman could be an option too, but still not optimal.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Pristine Talisman could be an option too, but still not optimal.

For the sake of my sanity, please don't run pristine talisman outside Oloro.

[Rodrigo]

For the sake of my sanity, please don't run pristine talisman outside Oloro.

 

Why not? I don't think it's all that bad. Certainly playable IMO.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Well, in my eyes, aside from Commander's Sphere, the Ramos cycle, and maybe darksteel ingot, three drop mana rocks are kinda just bad.

[~Faytl~]

Well, in my eyes, aside from Commander's Sphere, the Ramos cycle, and maybe darksteel ingot, three drop mana rocks are kinda just bad.

Chromatic Lantern?

 

For those of you who like reading the Uncharted Realms stories, the first story for Oath of the Gatewatch was released today:

 

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/rise-kozilek-2015-12-09

[bury the year]

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mizzix-the-science-izzet/

 

So after getting in a tiring game of Star due to 4 other players getting extort sources, I figured I need sources of lifegain. But there aren't many good ones in UR - is there anything better for this deck aside from Tablet of the Guilds?

Basilisk Collar on one of your pingers? Guttersnipe with that equipped is nasty. You'd probably need to rejigger the deck some more and add some more creatures, though.

 

Also, fellow EDH-ers! Help me choose one of these lovely ladies to build for my next commander.

 

[~Faytl~]

Basilisk Collar on one of your pingers? Guttersnipe with that equipped is nasty. You'd probably need to rejigger the deck some more and add some more creatures, though.

 

Also, fellow EDH-ers! Help me choose one of these lovely ladies to build for my next commander.

 

 

I have a Yasova deck, not sure if this list is completely updated to the IRL build, but you can take a look at my list for some ideas if you like: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/yasova-the-only-leader/

 

Basically you have to decide of you want to drop out big fatties with Mayael or if you want to take everyone ELSE'S creatures. I will warn you that nobody likes getting their sheet stolen, people WILL aggro you if you play Yasova. Also, I'd like to mention that if you want to swap out the gren for black, Marchesa the Black Rose is also very good at stealing things for that option (you use steal effects, get a counter on them and sac them and they're yours permanenty).