LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 That's all. Basically, a separate thread to come up with ideas on how to do this. I suppose I will edit whatever we decided in OP. Many people wanted a tournament, well here we go. Anyone interested say so, and whatever ideas you have, speak up. So far, gathering some ideas, this is what I've got. [spoiler=Rules]No items. Allow Omega Stages, Battlefield and Yoshi's Island. Tomodachi Life and Arena Ferox allowed as counter-picks No characters banned. Three stocks. Eight minutes. Best two out of three. Custom moves allowed, if both players in each match allow it.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Participants]Jake the Sage. Time available: anytime Monday after 12:10; Tuesday after 10:40; Wednesdays from 12:10 to 6:00; Thursdays and Fridays after 9 PM. EST DL. Time available: Wednesdays after 2 PM and Thursdays and Saturdays after 5 PM. Other days on at night. EST The Trap. Time available:On weekdays, 7:30 PM-10:00 PM. On weekends,12 PM- 11 PM. CDST [/spoiler] ENTRANCE FEE 300 POINTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 No banned characters.Just for ease of convenience, would you mind posting said list of banned characters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Will we be allowed to have a 2/3 match in these fights? Would we be allowed to change characters inbetween? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Just for ease of convenience, would you mind posting said list of banned characters? There isn't one, yet, unless people bring up some that need to be banned. Will we be allowed to have a 2/3 match in these fights? Would we be allowed to change characters inbetween? That's one of the things we have to decide on, I was thinking probably 2/3 and changing allowed but it depends what everyone thinks. Keep in mind I made this mostly to get the idea out there and start actually making this a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 No items. Allow Omega Stages, Battlefield and Yoshi's Island. No banned characters. Three stocks Seven-eight minutes I say No items All Omega Stages allowed, though certain ones could be allowed normal Customized characters are allowed as long as both opponents agree upon it Best two out of three Each contestant is allowed three separate characters to play as- you may choose to either play as one character three times or three characters once Five stocks No time limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Personally, I think ZSS should be one of the banned characters. She feels better than Brawl's Meta Knight to me, and incredibly easy to just pick up and play. If the others don't agree with that, that's fine considering a real tier list hasn't been fully developed yet anyway. Anyway, standard stuff like 3 Stock Time Limit, maybe 5 minutes No Items are pretty clear, my concern are A: The Stages and B: The Custom Moves. A: Omega stages are generally fine, but it seems lame to use only them. Yoshi's Island and Battlefield are fine, but are there any others that would be? B: I have no problem with moves, but Equipment is stupid. Personally, I don't think Equipment should ever be allowed, and although you could argue that moves shouldn't be in the FIRST tourney, I don't see them as a big deal really. As for character changing, I don't like it when it's a free change whenever. Maybe have them pick three at the start and have to stick with those three, but be able to use them however, sure. I just don't like it when you can just kinda switch to whoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Okay so going off last two comments. Best two out of three seems to be good. Allowing custom moves but not equipment if both players are fine with it. Maybe choosing three characters to use and being allowed to change between them. This one will take some discussion. I kinda like the idea of having a set few you can use and being able to change them up, but that's just me. Personally, I think ZSS should be one of the banned characters. She feels better than Brawl's Meta Knight to me, and incredibly easy to just pick up and play. If the others don't agree with that, that's fine considering a real tier list hasn't been fully developed yet anyway. Up to everyone else really. I am not very good at the game tbh so it doesn't matter to me. But it's debatable. Five stocksNo time limit Why this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Five stocks No time limit Why this? What is the point of having stocks if you are going to put it on a time limit? A time limit merely makes it so the game ends before someone has the chance to possibly make a come back. Five stocks because a three stock match is very quick and allows for a lot of error. Say someone accidentally screws up and ends up dying because of a GIANT f*ck up . . . . that would allow them only two stocks left in a three stock match. In a five stock match even if something like that were to happen the match would still be a tad more balanced in order to let both contestants have a greater chance of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 What is the point of having stocks if you are going to put it on a time limit? A time limit merely makes it so the game ends before someone has the chance to possibly make a come back. Five stocks because a three stock match is very quick and allows for a lot of error. Say someone accidentally screws up and ends up dying because of a GIANT f*ck up . . . . that would allow them only two stocks left in a three stock match. In a five stock match even if something like that were to happen the match would still be a tad more balanced in order to let both contestants have a greater chance of winning. Five stock takes way too long. I hosted a Brawl tournament in my High School, and when we tried it with five stock, matches easily took up to ten to fifteen minutes due to stalling because of no time. 3 Stock is more than enough, and you'll very rarely reach a time limit during it. If someone f***s up, then they f***ed up. If it was something beyond their control, like their 3DS control pad got suck (Which happened to me while playing once) an exception can be made for that, but self-destructing is part of the game, and if you do it, it's your job to recover from it. Also 3-2 stock compared to 5-4 stock is no difference, it just makes the game take longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I'm gonna have to agree that 3 stock feels much better. 4 Would probably be the most if enough people thought more would be better but even that, sounds like a really long match. As for the time limit. That's why it's at 7 minutes. If it takes longer than that, then that's way too drawn out imo. Again, not only up to me, depends what everyone has to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 So here's the thing: In this game, people die LATE 3 is good, 4 would be WAY too much. Also time limit of 8 minutes is good to avoid stalling tactics. It shouldn't take 8 minutes to take out 3 of your opponent's stocks. Also Caeda, ZSS is very good, sure, BUT Keep in mind Rosalina and Sheik are above her, Sheik being just a better ZSS (as most people agree on) and Rosalina being pretty much possibly THE best character in the game. So we don't need to ban any characters, especially since the balancing team did a GREAT job this time around, for the most part. EDIT: Also it can be best 2 out of 3, then finals could be best 3 out of 5. Also Arena Ferox should be able to be used as a counterpick stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Five stock takes way too long. I hosted a Brawl tournament in my High School, and when we tried it with five stock, matches easily took up to ten to fifteen minutes due to stalling because of no time. 3 Stock is more than enough, and you'll very rarely reach a time limit during it. If someone f***s up, then they f***ed up. If it was something beyond their control, like their 3DS control pad got suck (Which happened to me while playing once) an exception can be made for that, but self-destructing is part of the game, and if you do it, it's your job to recover from it. Also 3-2 stock compared to 5-4 stock is no difference, it just makes the game take longer. Alright that makes sense . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Also Caeda, ZSS is very good, sure, BUT Keep in mind Rosalina and Sheik are above her, Sheik being just a better ZSS (as most people agree on) and Rosalina being pretty much possibly THE best character in the game. So we don't need to ban any characters, especially since the balancing team did a GREAT job this time around, for the most part. This is true enough. I don't find Rosalina and Luma to be as strong as ZSS in my tests, but hey, I can see it really. I'm not the best player to be basing that stuff on. xD For the most part I agree, balancing is fine, but when you get to Sheik (Who I really forgot to mention xD) and ZSS, I just feel like they might be a bit overkill at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 So.... Shall I keep the 3 stocks and 7 minute time? And add in best 2/3? And still not sure how necessary the "3 character" idea is. We need to figure out reasons for or against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 This is true enough. I don't find Rosalina and Luma to be as strong as ZSS in my tests, but hey, I can see it really. I'm not the best player to be basing that stuff on. xD For the most part I agree, balancing is fine, but when you get to Sheik (Who I really forgot to mention xD) and ZSS, I just feel like they might be a bit overkill at times. I'm basing it off of my knowledge that basically dictates Sheik is overall superior to ZSS, and Rosalina, Yoshi, and Sheik are the three best characters in the game. And it seems we'll be getting a balancing patch this month, so we may need to hope our mains dont suffer. I just know Ill be using Villager in this thing. Also, yeah, make it best 2 out of 3. And you should make the final best 3 out of 5. And 3 stock 8 minutes is good. Also not necessarily 3 character limit, as someone should be able to use any character they want, as we're not character-locking this. Most would only use a max of 3 anyway though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I was gonna comment on the fact that this wasn't a Smash for Wii-U tournament, but then I realized that you didn't have a Wii-U. Regardless, I'm up for both if the latter is planned to be made official here. As for the former, if a banlist ever comes, then I'll be more than glad to suggest certain characters to be banned. I already have a few which I won't mention until further notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Also, yeah, make it best 2 out of 3. And you should make the final best 3 out of 5. And 3 stock 8 minutes is good. Also not necessarily 3 character limit, as someone should be able to use any character they want, as we're not character-locking this. Most would only use a max of 3 anyway though. I second all of this. Also since this is an "online" tournament I think matches should be whenever each person can be online- so not necessarily in order. This will help speed things up as everyone is not waiting on a single person and/or match to get started and/or finished before they can move onto their match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 There should be due dates for matches, but other than that, I agree that not everyone can be on at the same time, usually (sadly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Right, time is a bit tricky on this site. So maybe once we figure out who's all in, we can work out times. But most likely there will be some leeway. And if a later match is ready while an earlier one still has to wait, then probably just let them have their match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Custom Moves should be allowed, but Equipment is off-limits. Lumiose City should be a neutral stage while Arena Ferox and Tomadachi Life are counter-pick stages. And, nobody should really be banned. Nobody is actually too good unless if the player is good with them. [url=http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/ssb4/]This is probably the best tier list to follow right now.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Custom Moves should be allowed, but Equipment is off-limits. Lumiose City should be a neutral stage while Arena Ferox and Tomadachi Life are counter-pick stages. And, nobody should really be banned. Nobody is actually too good unless if the player is good with them. This is probably the best tier list to follow right now. That tier list could be highly subjective. I'd moreso lean towards the one posted a while back that had ZSS, Sheik and Yoshi at the top Bowser is NOT so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaMuddy Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 That tier list could be highly subjective. I'd moreso lean towards the one posted a while back that had ZSS, Sheik and Yoshi at the top Bowser is NOT so low. Is Yoshi actually very good? I never thought he would be. Also, I really like Bowser, but he's pretty predictable. But I do agree he should be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Custom Moves should be allowed, but Equipment is off-limits. Lumiose City should be a neutral stage while Arena Ferox and Tomadachi Life are counter-pick stages. And, nobody should really be banned. Nobody is actually too good unless if the player is good with them. This is probably the best tier list to follow right now. Custom moves will probably be allowed if both players in each match are okay with it. Why those stages? And nobody is banned, that's something that won't change, seeing as so many people have different opinions on who is "too good". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Custom moves will probably be allowed if both players in each match are okay with it. Why those stages? And nobody is banned, that's something that won't change, seeing as so many people have different opinions on who is "too good". Custom moves should either be allowed completely, or disallowed, to avoid complications. Also Lumiose City is safe overall, with no real hazard, except if you don't jump on in time. And Arena Ferox and Tomodachi Life can favor some characters better than the other, but again, no hazards, and not by a TREMENDOUS amount, so they should be available to pick if you lose your first match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Custom moves should either be allowed completely, or disallowed, to avoid complications. Also Lumiose City is safe overall, with no real hazard, except if you don't jump on in time. And Arena Ferox and Tomodachi Life can favor some characters better than the other, but again, no hazards, and not by a TREMENDOUS amount, so they should be available to pick if you lose your first match. I just don't want people to be forced to go against custom moves if they really don't want to, is the issue I'm thinking about. Some people don't play with them, but it's possible. Okay, well they should be pretty safe then, a bit more thoughts on this would be good. No offense I just want to see what others think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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