Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Monsters 3x Shrit 3x Denkou-Sekka 3x Manju 1x Djinn Releaser of Rituals 2x Necloth Trishula 2x Necloth Valkyrus 3x Necloth Brionac 2x Necloth Clausolas 3x Necloth Unicore Spells 3x Necloth Exomirror 2x Necloth Kaleidomirror 1x Raigeki 3x ROTA 3x Preparation of Rites 3x MST Traps 3x Vanitys Empitness Extra Deck 1x Lavalval Chain 1x 101 1x Emeral 1x Abyss Dweller 1x Exciton 2x Herald of the Arc Light 1x Quasar 2x Shooting Star 1x Giganticastle 1x Mist Bird Clausolas 1x Goyo 1x Exa-Beetle 1x Gaia Thunder Charger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Why only 2 Kaleido? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 If I counted, you have 41 cards... Eh, that's fine I suppose. I really don't like Releaser, how's it been testing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 If I counted, you have 41 cards... Eh, that's fine I suppose. I really don't like Releaser, how's it been testing? Hm, I'll double check that. As for Releaser, I don't think I've actally used the card's effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Releaser is amazing. I've never played Necloths but I know from experience with other rituals that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Releaser is amazing. I've never played Necloths but I know from experience with other rituals that it is. IMO, it's rather shit in this deck. I mean, it works at times, but…the setup is not resource efficient and if they have an answer, gg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 How can a card that says "Slap Vanity's Emptiness on target 2k+ body" be "rather s***"? Especially that getting it to grave is a matter of getting a Lavalval Chain, which is piss easy for what it's worth. Admitelly, I run Tour Guide, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 How can a card that says "Slap Vanity's Emptiness on target 2k+ body" be "rather s***"? Especially that getting it to grave is a matter of getting a Lavalval Chain, which is piss easy for what it's worth. Admitelly, I run Tour Guide, but still. Its just more setup in a deck that suffers from needing too much setup in the 1st place...... But i still dont think its terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 How can a card that says "Slap Vanity's Emptiness on target 2k+ body" be "rather s***"? Especially that getting it to grave is a matter of getting a Lavalval Chain, which is piss easy for what it's worth. Admitelly, I run Tour Guide, but still. It takes up space that the deck needs, ruins consistency, and hinges all of your hopes and dreams on one monster. It's not exactly "every turn easy" to summon/do. (Lavaval Chain). It's easy enough, but not instantly/on demand easy. Ruining consistency is the real issue. I mean, MAYBE teching one is ok. Tops. I'm not for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Erm, then you run it in a "spell slot"? Don't treat it like a monster, don't cut anything of what you NEED for it. So no, it doesn't ruin any of your hopes. And I'm in for ANYTHING that's not Denko - as effective as it is, everyone is just playing it as if it was "Necloth of Denko Sekka" and refuse to test anything in its place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 The problem with the Djinn being shit, is because your opponent can plan for it in advance. Your opponent can't plan for a surprise Vanity. Plus, the "lol use as material from grave" is better suited with Shrit anyway. Also, since I was ignored the first time. Why only 2 Kaleido? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Erm, then you run it in a "spell slot"? Don't treat it like a monster, don't cut anything of what you NEED for it. So no, it doesn't ruin any of your hopes. And I'm in for ANYTHING that's not Denko - as effective as it is, everyone is just playing it as if it was "Necloth of Denko Sekka" and refuse to test anything in its place. That's IF you're running JUST one of IT and not the Tour Guide engine. Just one? Yeah, easy enough to use. I've been testing for a while now, and quite honestly….not that many people run Denko, I'm not sure why. It took me a while (Black told me) to learn that it even existed. This deck DIES to backrow. Very much so. Denko solves that issue, somewhat. Releaser does not. At all. Not to mention, Qliphort can just tribute over anything and nullify your efforts. Finally, Denko is an answer to Vanity's AND Skill Drain…which also kill this deck. There are two many things that Denko does to be bad/not worth being in the deck. Give me a spell slot that they can use, I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I don't see myself missing anything. If you wanted to really bad, you can replace the TGUs with Denkos and STILL be on-point. I'd argue I still have like 2 flex slots due to Raigeki (personal choice) and Valkyrus, which is not NEEDED either. If anything, this deck has more wiggle room than you give it credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Valkyrus is actually going to be very important in the upcoming format. Necs really have no way of protecting themselves from the QliTK except for Valk, and you really don't want to have to rely on a Vanity for that, especially since the deck cannot search it, whereas they have many ways to search Valk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Why are we suddenly accounting for Qliphorts while playing a TCG/OCG deck? Shouldn't that be kept in mind long ago? And while Valkyrus is BIG, certainly, his effect could be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Because Qlips are still extremely relevant in a TCG/OCG format. Not preparing for them with options that certainly won't hurt your deck would be a fool's errand. Plus, I highly doubt Konami is actually going to hit anything of them next list in order to promote more sales in the upcoming boosters, nor ROTA for that matter (because GOTTA BOOST SALES YOOOO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I'm saying you can do that but that makes you lose to back row even more. If you think Releaser is worth the risk, go right ahead. I don't, and like Denko for other reasons. Why are we suddenly accounting for Qliphorts while playing a TCG/OCG deck? Shouldn't that be kept in mind long ago? And while Valkyrus is BIG, certainly, his effect could be better. He literally stops their OTK and gives you a fighting chance. I prefer two, but one is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Because Qlips are still extremely relevant in a TCG/OCG format. Not preparing for them with options that certainly won't hurt your deck would be a fool's errand. Plus, I highly doubt Konami is actually going to hit anything of them next list in order to promote more sales in the upcoming boosters, nor ROTA for that matter (because GOTTA BOOST SALES YOOOO)Right, I didn't say that preparing for them is bad. Just makes me wonder why is everyone accounting for that NOW, not earlier. Also, eh, I wanna say it's not true, but yeah, I don't see them being hit so soon.I'm saying you can do that but that makes you lose to back row even more.If you think Releaser is worth the risk, go right ahead. I don't, and like Denko for other reasons.I'll just say one thing - god fucking damnit. You lose to backrow alright. But Denko is not a magical solution to all your problems. It's really weak in combat, even normal summoned Squamata can run over it. And there's no "risk" involved. Is Shrit a risky card? It's not. Djinn, albiet not tutorable, is similiar in the sense he is a level 3 that can be used from grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 And there's no "risk" involved. Is Shrit a risky card? It's not. Djinn, albiet not tutorable, is similiar in the sense he is a level 3 that can be used from grave. Using about 2-3 cards to hope one thing works is "risky". If it works, you're set. If not, GG, and also thanks for wasting 2- even 4 cards. (TGU+this+a Mirror + Necloth ritual, in some situations). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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