.Rai Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 ......Oh, by the way, has anyone else noticed that Clara seems to be influencing the Doctor's life so much? I mean, I was suspicious of it before, but now with this happening, it seems like it can't possibly be a coincidence. I wonder, will this become any relevant in the future?This is already a thing, by the way; it's not just a coincidence. Although it's not directly related, Moffat's referencing Clara's 'Impossible Girl' fate from last series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Ah yes, I forgot about this thread. Well, thanks to the internet, I'm all caught up on Season 8. holy s*** that episode Oh yes. Gotta say, I did not see that twist coming towards the end. Other than that, the idea behind it clarified that I'm not totally insane. As far as the other episodes, the second one was very interesting. Never would've imagined the Doctor being INSIDE his archenemy. The third one was eh, imo. The Robin Hood character felt forced, and the Doctor's skepticism was just annoying (though his duel with Robin was pretty awesome.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastar Rainford Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Defiantly liked the last episode more than the Lodger. I love this doctor almost more than eccleson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Someone tell me that the new writer is not a fan of Zelda. I mean... episode 8 was totally inspired by redeads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dom- Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Ok, haven't posted here for a while, but this series has been amazing; if the finale's good then I think it could be the best New Who series (since 2005). Speaking of the finale, SWEET JESUS that next time trailer! I haven't been this excited for an episode since Day of the Doctor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dom- Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 OH GOD that episode! THE CLIFFHANGERS! The ideas in it were so good! "Don't cremate me"?! wow, that's dark stuff. The reveal of the cybermen, the reveal of what Danny did, the reveal at the end were all just sublime; and the best part is while there was no Next Time trailer there were clips of next episode in the last one so we get a glimpse of what will happen! I don't know how Im going to be able to wait! ahhh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 oh my god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 *patiently awaits the release of the episode on PSN.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Yea, episode was really strong all around. Only problem I had was with Clara and the Doctor at the start, but I fully get the motivation. Doctor had some great lines after that too, espeically, "I'm exactly what you deserve" (I think that was the line). He knows the affect he has had on her, and that was likely the culmination of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 WELL NOW.Frankly, I have to admit, this episode EXCEEDED MY EXPECTATIONS~ No, seriously. It was absolutely awesome, and contained everything I hoped it would and MORE! Not only did it touch on the concept of death in a brilliant way and gave the Cybermen their much-needed focus, but it was also able to take me off-guard multiple times.Especially the beginning (no seriously who could possibly have been expecting that), and the later scenes with Clara and the Doctor were just...well, epic? Heartbreaking? Is surprisingly satisfying the wrong term?Then, of course, there's the end with that reveal. THAT. FREAKING. REVEAL.Overall, Dark Water seems to be more of a build-up episode if anything, but it was so unbelievably epic that I cannot even begin to comprehend how awesome the next one will be...hopefully it's not a rehash of "Last of the Time Lords" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I feel like the Cybermen reveal would have been much more interesting if they kept it secret rather than stick it in the Next Time trailer. I guess unavoidable considering that it's pretty much impossible to keep the filming of that scene secret when you're doing it in central London. There were some cool hints though, the Cybermen teardrop doors, and the reprise of the Cybermen theme was subtle brilliance. It was a great episode though, incredibly dark at the beginning and middle too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I feel like the Cybermen reveal would have been much more interesting if they kept it secret rather than stick it in the Next Time trailer. I guess unavoidable considering that it's pretty much impossible to keep the filming of that scene secret when you're doing it in central London. There were some cool hints though, the Cybermen teardrop doors, and the reprise of the Cybermen theme was subtle brilliance. It was a great episode though, incredibly dark at the beginning and middle too. That's exactly how I felt too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 wtf, she was here for like 2 episodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I think one emotion that the Doctor felt at the reveal was [acronym="when Missy revealed herself to be the Master, the Doctor was jealous that he managed to reincarnate in a woman's body"]jealousy[/acronym]. Now to wait for the second part to be added to PSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I think one emotion that the Doctor felt at the reveal was [acronym="when Missy revealed herself to be the Master, the Doctor was jealous that he managed to reincarnate in a woman's body"]jealousy[/acronym]. Now to wait for the second part to be added to PSN.There was just empty space tho. Could that mean Gallefrey is gone? What the actul fuck @missy she was here for like 2 episodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 wtf, she was here for like 2 episodes You remember the last incarnation of the master? He appeared to die after 3 episodes. It's not much different here given the Master will always come back. Also that episode was just bitterly disappointing to me. The entire theme of the series thus far seemed to be about forcing the doctor to question who he is. And yet the writer resorts to Deus Ex Machina as it were to prevent that, which in part defeats the Doctor's development. More than that it's just like... Missy as a character seemed weak compared to the John Simm Incarnation.Probably weaker than Jacobi despite his short screen time. Because John Simm whilst he had the same sense of madness, he backed it up by being threatening and frightening. Missy just... didn't. She pranced around on screen laughing and joking without her plot ever seeming threatening. What was most emotional for me about that is when you consider who a lot of these Cyberman are going to me. I mean, come on, one of them will be Ianto... =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 wtf, she was here for like 2 episodesIt was a teleport. Definitely looked like a teleport to me.And even if it wasn't, come on, we all know she didn't die~ I mean. It is THE MASTER we're talking about here, after all....Anyway, what can I say about the episode~? Well, what I can say is that it was ABSOLUTELY, GLORIOUSLY BRILLIANT. I for one loved it, everything about its execution. Missy proved how cruel she could be by abruptly killing off a potentially-cool character, and it really did do the Cybermen justice, giving them back the creepy factor that they've been missing for some time now. It was a bit of a shame that we didn't get to focus on them that much, compared to Missy, but Doctor Who has been needing an episode like this for them for some time now. From beginning to end, it was utterly heartrending, with unexpected events happening left and right.And. That conclusion. Lies on both side, angst angst angst, a false happy ending, barely any questions answered, and yet it felt totally satisfactory for me. We got an answer on whether or not the Doctor is a good man, and we even got to see him salute off his old friend, the one soldier he acknowledges - the Brigadier. The search for Gallifrey continues!...Man, can Series 9 really top this?Well, it seems like Clara has now exited, though who knows, she may make a surprise appearance in the Christmas special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 It wasn't a lie I don't think. I think Gallifrey was tied to missy and when she died it vanished too...or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 It wasn't a lie I don't think. I think Gallifrey was tied to missy and when she died it vanished too...or somethingDidn't die. Look at her death scene - that was totally a teleport gun used on her. Has a different, more blue-y effect compared to the vaporization effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 You remember the last incarnation of the master? He appeared to die after 3 episodes. It's not much different here given the Master will always come back. Also that episode was just bitterly disappointing to me. The entire theme of the series thus far seemed to be about forcing the doctor to question who he is. And yet the writer resorts to Deus Ex Machina as it were to prevent that, which in part defeats the Doctor's development. More than that it's just like... Missy as a character seemed weak compared to the John Simm Incarnation.Probably weaker than Jacobi despite his short screen time. Because John Simm whilst he had the same sense of madness, he backed it up by being threatening and frightening. Missy just... didn't. She pranced around on screen laughing and joking without her plot ever seeming threatening. What was most emotional for me about that is when you consider who a lot of these Cyberman are going to me. I mean, come on, one of them will be Ianto... =( Missy actually ended up winning tho. She let the Dr go, she threw away her little laser thing. She could have won at any point. I admire a villain who wins in all effectiveness. Sims lost, Jacobi did too effectively. He had Clara kill pink so I think that question is answered It was a teleport. Definitely looked like a teleport to me. And even if it wasn't, come on, we all know she didn't die~ I mean. It is THE MASTER we're talking about here, after all. ... Anyway, what can I say about the episode~? Well, what I can say is that it was ABSOLUTELY, GLORIOUSLY BRILLIANT. I for one loved it, everything about its execution. Missy proved how cruel she could be by abruptly killing off a potentially-cool character, and it really did do the Cybermen justice, giving them back the creepy factor that they've been missing for some time now. It was a bit of a shame that we didn't get to focus on them that much, compared to Missy, but Doctor Who has been needing an episode like this for them for some time now. From beginning to end, it was utterly heartrending, with unexpected events happening left and right. And. That conclusion. Lies on both side, angst angst angst, a false happy ending, barely any questions answered, and yet it felt totally satisfactory for me. We got an answer on whether or not the Doctor is a good man, and we even got to see him salute off his old friend, the one soldier he acknowledges - the Brigadier. The search for Gallifrey continues! ...Man, can Series 9 really top this? Well, it seems like Clara has now exited, though who knows, she may make a surprise appearance in the Christmas special. Why did missy plan all this tho. Wait hasn't Clara been through the entire time stream of the Dr? Missy is on some Aizen shit here now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I still don't understand her plan at all, frankly. We got a lot of flashbacks on what she did with Clara, but not why. Slightly over-ambitious, I think.Didn't die. Look at her death scene - that was totally a teleport gun used on her. Has a different, more blue-y effect compared to the vaporization effects. That's because the Cyberman shot her, not the Doctor. Yes, it's possible that it was a teleport, but for now, assume she's dead, and rack your brain when the master inevitably comes back. And the implication with Gallifrey is that Missy lied and Gallifrey is still trapped in another universe. So, we are going to have to wait ages for any sort of conclusion with this plot thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 That's because the Cyberman shot her, not the Doctor. Yes, it's possible that it was a teleport, but for now, assume she's dead, and rack your brain when the master inevitably comes back.*points to the Death in Heaven Extra*Yeeeaaahhh, we don't really know what happened, but this sure isn't the end for the Master~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I'm aware of the Moffat quote in Extra. The Master will obviously come back, we're just not sure how. In the big scheme of things, a teleport is far too sensible. I would happily expect something far more ludicrous. Frankly, every time the Master is introduced, it's far ridiculous than just a mere fake death. Other hanging plot thread is whether Clara's pregnant or not. Seems like a fairly neat way to wrap up her farewell (presumably at Christmas, since she's been confirmed in, I think). Awkward that we've already has 'pregnant companion' with Amy and stuff. Also, someone mentioned that despite the fact that he hasn't been in the show for about 2 years, Rory still manages to further his record as 'Character that Dies the Most' since he clearly turned into a Cyberman somewhere in Manhattan in that episode, and then presumably got blown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Missy actually ended up winning tho. She let the Dr go, she threw away her little laser thing. She could have won at any point. I admire a villain who wins in all effectiveness. Sims lost, Jacobi did too effectively. He had Clara kill pink so I think that question is answered She didn't win. Her aim was the prove that her and the Doctor were similar (And even the her aim was sketchy at best). Her aim was never world domination, nor really destroying he human race. And thus, she didn't win. All she proved was the Doctor was a self described idiot. Any idea that the Doctor would infact be willing to murder someone got removed when the writer stupidly had The Brigadier shoot her. And he didn't let Clara kill Dany either - He was debating it, and then Clara took the decision out of his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dom- Posted November 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 First of all, I loved the episode. I think the only real problem I have with it is the magical resurrection of the nameless boy Danny killed who we have no connection to- Danny already got his redemption in saving the Earth by epically flying an army of cybermen into the clouds to blow themselves up! he didn't need that final bs in Clara's home. As for the big debate about Missy, I really liked her as well. I did worry that she wasn't threatening enough, and then came the line "I'm going to kill you in a minute!" to Osgood (Osgood! Nooooo! You know when she's offered a place on the TARDIS she's a gonner) followed by Missy's eyes! shivers, man. As for her death, I actually found it funny how Moffat basically said she was coming back and he just liked the way Ainley's Master always died for good and came back next time with a simple 'I escaped.' The main comparison I made (and apparently a lot of the internet with me) was that Missy was a lot like the Joker here. Her plan was just to show how similar the Doctor was to her, and how much she loved him. Seemed very much like Joker in Scott Snyder's 'Death of the Family' (if you haven't read it, go do so now!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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