I Hate Snatch Steal Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Rules: All YCM and leader board rules apply. Card are due 7/12/14, PM me if you need more time though. First to 3 votes wins or most votes by the deadline wins. The voting deadline will be decided based on when the cards are posted. Current deadline is 7/16/14. edit: now in overtime Optional: Feel free to include a short paragraph about your card's merits if you want to. Requirements: Make a card that can summon a wide range of monsters ignoring the summoning conditions. Wide range meaning more then just 1 archetype. You are recommended to exclude other copies of the same card and any DIVINE attribute monster from the possible targets, but try not to exclude much else. Here's why DIVINE is out: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/The_Creator_God_of_Light%2C_Horakhty Rulings notes on "ignoring the summoning conditions": 1. Monsters summoned using this clause from the hand, deck, or extra deck literally follow it so you can summon them without meeting the requirements previously during the duel. Example, "level up!" summoning armed dragon LV7. 2, The ignoring summoning conditions clause works differently with the graveyard or banished zone, the monster must have been summoned "properly" before it was sent there in order to be re-summoned this way. Its confusing, but Konami said so in Level Modulation's rulings. 3. If a fusion, synchro, or xyz monster is summoned without the summon being a fusion*, synchro, or xyz summon respectively, it cannot be re-summoned from the graveyard or banished zone later because of ruling "2". Case in point: stardust dragon summoned by starlight road cannot be re-summoned, including by its own effect. * Some monsters, such as vwxyz dragon catapult cannot, have different requirements. Cannot be special summoned from the graveyard. This card cannot be Special Summoned, unless you Tribute 1 monster. You can pay 1500 life points to shuffle 1 level 7 or higher non-DIVINE monster that cannot be normal summoned/set, from your graveyard into the deck; special summon 1 monster with the same name from your main deck, ignoring the summoning conditions. You can only use the special summoning effect of "Giver of Life" once per turn. I figure that this card's easy at first glance summoning effect is justified because in order to set up a game breaker like Horus the black flame dragon LV8 with it, you have to not only have an inconsistent card like horus LV8 in your deck to begin with, you also have to put it in the graveyard somehow and summon giver of life. All of this has to happen before your opponent wins the duel or disrupts your plan. In exchange, the monsters you summon this way are well worth the effort. This card is also treated as a Beast-Type monster. When this card is Tribute Summoned, you may place 1 Greed counter on it for each monster, spell, and/or trap your opponent controls. During your 3rd Standby Phase after this card was Tribute Summoned, you may banish it and all Greed Counters on it: If you do, you may Special Summon a number of target monsters from your hand and/or deck (if you Special Summon monsters from your deck this way, shuffle it afterward), whose levels are lower than 10, ignoring their summoning conditions, whose total levels equal the number of Greed counters on this card. The effects of monsters Special Summoned this way are negated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 i'll try my luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 i'll try my luck. accepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Got my card. Edit: sending revised version to you. and again, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 sypher, I don't think this is how 1v1s work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 sypher, I don't think this is how 1v1s work... I'm not about to throw him under the bus for not PMing me his card, unless I that's not what your talking about and I also missed something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Well, since you're hosting, I'll let you handle this. The usual practice in 1v1s often involve any and all measures taken to sustain anonymity of the creators, so as to minimize creator bias from voters. Yes, certain quirks and habits sometimes give away who made what, but hey, we tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 sorry. i forgot and in my haste, posted the card. as well as putting my name on the card. but, i shall remedy the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Well, since you're hosting, I'll let you handle this. The usual practice in 1v1s often involve any and all measures taken to sustain anonymity of the creators, so as to minimize creator bias from voters. Yes, certain quirks and habits sometimes give away who made what, but hey, we tried. I've never had that as a rule in my 1 v 1s so unless its required by the leader board rules now it doesn't matter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 but.. i edited and messaged you with the edit so it wouldn't have my name plus i edited the post i made with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Noel- Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Woa so this didn't get any vote? seeing you bump this without actually post want me to help this... ... ... !@#$%^&*(), Dafaq I just read!!? Kill both cards with fire, now! Card A was freaking broken and Card B was beyond useless. DID YOU GUYS EVE... *exploded* Ok ok first let we see Card A, can be SS'd by just tribute anything, and after that, by dumb Horus Lv.8 you mentioned or even more powerful stuff like Stardust AM with something very very~~~ hard to use like Foolish Burial or Dragon Shrine and you instantly get that monster, and geez, not even OPT!? and Card B's creator, did you even play Yu-Gi-Oh!? a Level 6 1900 Vanilla? No, there's no way that anyone will keep something that say "I will do something very very ~~~ kewl in the next few turns, just sit and wait for it, Hahaha" like that for 3 turns, not to mention the Level of the monster that will be SS'd is very restricted, depending to the opponent's board, and finally you even negate that monster's effects!? Ugh, I'd rather having Spark in my Deck than this toilet paper, at least it deals freaking awesome 200 damage to my opponent... Didn't obvious enough? Card C got my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted July 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Woa so this didn't get any vote? seeing you bump this without actually post want me to help this... ... ... !@#$%^&*(), Dafaq I just read!!? Kill both cards with fire, now! Card A was freaking broken and Card B was beyond useless. DID YOU GUYS EVE... *exploded* Ok ok first let we see Card A, can be SS'd by just tribute anything, and after that, by dumb Horus Lv.8 you mentioned or even more powerful stuff like Stardust AM with something very very~~~ hard to use like Foolish Burial or Dragon Shrine and you instantly get that monster, and geez, not even OPT!? and Card B's creator, did you even play Yu-Gi-Oh!? a Level 6 1900 Vanilla? No, there's no way that anyone will keep something that say "I will do something very very ~~~ kewl in the next few turns, just sit and wait for it, Hahaha" like that for 3 turns, not to mention the Level of the monster that will be SS'd is very restricted, depending to the opponent's board, and finally you even negate that monster's effects!? Ugh, I'd rather having Spark in my Deck than this toilet paper, at least it deals freaking awesome 200 damage to my opponent... Didn't obvious enough? Card C got my vote. Just for the record, "This card cannot be Special Summoned, unless you Tribute 1 monster." isn't a summoning condition/effect. Its Tyrant Dragon's restriction, but on any special summon. None the less, I accept your vote. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrant_Dragon http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Tyrant_Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Noel- Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Just for the record, "This card cannot be Special Summoned, unless you Tribute 1 monster." isn't a summoning condition/effect. Its Tyrant Dragon's restriction, but on any special summon. None the less, I accept your vote. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrant_Dragon http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Tyrant_Dragon Sadly that ruling thing won't change my vote result (and really, why not just keep your OCG perfect from the start instead of trying to explain it later?) the main broken point of that card is the fact that you turn a FB/Shrine/AK into a pay 1500 to SS something, and those something are way too unhealthy for the game. [spoiler='Want an example?'] don't underestimate the last one, I think I heard someone said Horus Lv.8 before. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Card A Troublesome Summon restrictions, but not too much of a hoop to jump through. Considering the payout of this Deck, people would just look at it and decide, "screw it, we'll Normal Summon this like we did in the old days. Now how to do it..." What exactly would drive people to Normal Summon this card? It effectively cheats out any Nomi and semi-Nomi you've set up in your Graveyard. Horus LV8? You got it. Stardust Buster? Yes please. Sophia? Eh, I don't see why not. And there's the problem. Nomis like these are supposed to be reined in by their Summoning conditions, forcing you to actually jump through their designated hoop to get to them and reap their benefits. The only acceptable time "ignoring the Summoning conditions" is permitted is when it's within the theme. For instance, Level Up! only, as the name implies, lets you access higher Nomis if you have their lesser forms. This card can access anything and everything in a single turn, allowing you to basically stock a Deck with a mishmash of game breaker Nomis, filtering cards like Hand Destruction, and ways and pull out this card. It outright shatters the entire point of the Nomis in the first place. Card B Instant slight penalty for lacking OCG. You don't target cards in hands or Deck. But I digress. It's a one-Tribute monster with lackluster stats for its Level, but there's no point in Special Summoning it, since its Greed Counters only accumulate when you Tribute Summoned it. When you're forced to Tribute Summon this, you'd expect something awesome for going through the trouble, right? Not exactly. Yes, something awesome happens, but only if you protect this card for 3 turns. And it doesn't exert any effort to keep itself on the field, forcing you to devote cards to protecting this helpless kitty. Any opponent who can read your cards would decide, "no, I'm not taking the chances", and do everything in their power to keep you from having your nice things in 3 turns. But suppose you actually succeed and trigger its effect. What is it? A number of monsters whose total levels equal the number of Greed Counters that was on this card - problem is, unless your opponent was overextending (and thus has even more ways to kill this card dead), the average number of Greed Counters you'd get on this card is expected to be around 4 to 5. Tell me, how many Level 5 or lower monsters are worth being Special Summoned by this card which you can't already do with other, more easily achievable means? If your opponent is crazy prepared enough to run Counter Cleaner to deprive you of your nice things, empty your glass to drown your sorrows. The Verdict Bottom line: Generic "ignoring the Summoning conditions" cards are bad because you can run a game breaker that would otherwise be counterbalanced by requiring you to use their inherent theme. Cards that take too long for too little are also bad because they're not doing enough for your efforts you're investing to protect them. Card C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Card A Troublesome Summon restrictions, but not too much of a hoop to jump through. Considering the payout of this Deck, people would just look at it and decide, "screw it, we'll Normal Summon this like we did in the old days. Now how to do it..." What exactly would drive people to Normal Summon this card? It effectively cheats out any Nomi and semi-Nomi you've set up in your Graveyard. Horus LV8? You got it. Stardust Buster? Yes please. Sophia? Eh, I don't see why not. And there's the problem. Nomis like these are supposed to be reined in by their Summoning conditions, forcing you to actually jump through their designated hoop to get to them and reap their benefits. The only acceptable time "ignoring the Summoning conditions" is permitted is when it's within the theme. For instance, Level Up! only, as the name implies, lets you access higher Nomis if you have their lesser forms. This card can access anything and everything in a single turn, allowing you to basically stock a Deck with a mishmash of game breaker Nomis, filtering cards like Hand Destruction, and ways and pull out this card. It outright shatters the entire point of the Nomis in the first place. Card B Instant slight penalty for lacking OCG. You don't target cards in hands or Deck. But I digress. It's a one-Tribute monster with lackluster stats for its Level, but there's no point in Special Summoning it, since its Greed Counters only accumulate when you Tribute Summoned it. When you're forced to Tribute Summon this, you'd expect something awesome for going through the trouble, right? Not exactly. Yes, something awesome happens, but only if you protect this card for 3 turns. And it doesn't exert any effort to keep itself on the field, forcing you to devote cards to protecting this helpless kitty. Any opponent who can read your cards would decide, "no, I'm not taking the chances", and do everything in their power to keep you from having your nice things in 3 turns. But suppose you actually succeed and trigger its effect. What is it? A number of monsters whose total levels equal the number of Greed Counters that was on this card - problem is, unless your opponent was overextending (and thus has even more ways to kill this card dead), the average number of Greed Counters you'd get on this card is expected to be around 4 to 5. Tell me, how many Level 5 or lower monsters are worth being Special Summoned by this card which you can't already do with other, more easily achievable means? If your opponent is crazy prepared enough to run Counter Cleaner to deprive you of your nice things, empty your glass to drown your sorrows. The Verdict Bottom line: Generic "ignoring the Summoning conditions" cards are bad because you can run a game breaker that would otherwise be counterbalanced by requiring you to use their inherent theme. Cards that take too long for too little are also bad because they're not doing enough for your efforts you're investing to protect them. Card C. Technically card C already won because of overtime, but I agree with your reasoning. Its my fault for not editing to topic title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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