Bringerofcake Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Mechas have a few cards that don't care about being in the grave, and Kamikaze really helps their longevity by limiting how many tokens can get killed each turn. It works out surprisingly well, especially when tokens are targets for Second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Mechas have a few cards that don't care about being in the grave, and Kamikaze really helps their longevity by limiting how many tokens can get killed each turn. It works out surprisingly well, especially when tokens are targets for Second. But you can't use Second on Tokens, because they can't be sent to the Graveyard; therefore, you'll not be able to summon your Masked HERO. And I know that sending is part of the effect, and not a cost, but the wording here is: "...and IF YOU DO, Special Summon...", which means if you can't send the target to the grave, Second won't resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 But you can't use Second on Tokens, because they can't be sent to the Graveyard; therefore, you'll not be able to summon your Masked HERO. And I know that sending is part of the effect, and not a cost, but the wording here is: "...and IF YOU DO, Special Summon...", which means if you can't send the target to the grave, Second won't resolve.It's ", then", not ", and if you do,".So I'm going to assume that since you need only send it, and it does not specifically state anything about that monster in the Graveyard, you can MC2 it.Not that I think you were correct in the first place, but I am going to double check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overfrost! Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 It's ", then", not ", and if you do,".So I'm going to assume that since you need only send it, and it does not specifically state anything about that monster in the Graveyard, you can MC2 it.Not that I think you were correct in the first place, but I am going to double check.It still needs to be sent to grave.Reference:In "Do A, then do B", B happens after A. These things happen in sequence, not simultaneously. A is required for B, but NOT vice-versa. If A does not happen, then stop. If B cannot happen, you still do A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 It still needs to be sent to grave.Reference:It's not being sent as a cost, though.It's being sent as an effect. And the token will still be removed from the field. And you can "Send" tokens to the grave so long as it isn't a cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overfrost! Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 It's not being sent as a cost, though.It's being sent as an effect. And the token will still be removed from the field. And you can "Send" tokens to the grave so long as it isn't a cost.Yes it is not. Should I fetch the whole wikia page? :(If token would be removed from the field or flipped face-down, it just instantly goes to nowhere. It won't go to grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Best to just post about it in the rulings thread if you're having any more doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I just love DN vs Wiki discrepancy. Might as well ask in the ruling thread, DN updated the text yay. meanwhile is there anything in the deck that needs fixing? I'm probably going to drop War-Bluran, but not sure for what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 It's ", then", not ", and if you do,". So I'm going to assume that since you need only send it, and it does not specifically state anything about that monster in the Graveyard, you can MC2 it. Not that I think you were correct in the first place, but I am going to double check. It used to be worded as "and if you do", but they updated the card's text, as Bringer said. You can clearly see that on the screenshot Bringer's OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 It used to be worded as "and if you do", but they updated the card's text, as Bringer said. You can clearly see that on the screenshot Bringer's OP.and this has anything to do with the fact you were basing this on a wording that's wrong without looking it up further becaaaaaaaaause?In addition, Evilfusion says it DOES work on tokens, but DGz says it doesn't at all due to token mechanics, so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 and this has anything to do with the fact you were basing this on a wording that's wrong without looking it up further becaaaaaaaaause? Because that was the wording appearing in most, if not all the sources available at the moment I posted that. So I didn't have a more accurate translation to base myself on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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