Shradow Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 How many of you were raped and/or abused by your fathers today? Relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Geez I was just about to burn my bra when I read those genius statements. ON a more serious note tho, who writes this stuff? I mean is this a joke like wow. #LearnWhatFeminismIs #OrIWillBurnBrasForALiving This type of stuff is exactly why we have such a bad name. I mean maybe if people understood that feminism is equality posts like that wouldn't exist. But all the pressure to be a feminist today has people mixed up. It's not about ruining holidays that have nothing to do with inequality because it celebrates a male role model. It's about making arguments and fighting for things that are wrong, like the difference in wages and rape culture we have today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunn O))) Posted June 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Geez I was just about to burn my bra when I read those genius statements. ON a more serious note tho, who writes this stuff? I mean is this a joke like wow. #LearnWhatFeminismIs #OrIWillBurnBrasForALiving This type of stuff is exactly why we have such a bad name. I mean maybe if people understood that feminism is equality posts like that wouldn't exist. But all the pressure to be a feminist today has people mixed up. It's not about ruining holidays that have nothing to do with inequality because it celebrates a male role model. It's about making arguments and fighting for things that are wrong, like the difference in wages and rape culture we have today. Feminism isn't about equality, if it was it wouldn't be called feminism. Anyway, I do know of many feminists that think like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Feminism isn't about equality, if it was it wouldn't be called feminism. Anyway, I do know of many feminists that think like that. Tell me more about how feminism isn't about being treated equally to men. I personally don't think I'm more superior to any gender or form of sexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Feminism isn't about equality, if it was it wouldn't be called feminism. It's called feminism because femininity is viewed as less culturally significant, or low-culture, as it were, which clearly shouldn't be the case since there's no reason for it. It affects both men and women, the women, because just being female makes them unequal in several ways and it makes a man in touch with his feminine side looked down upon, and/or assumed as gay.Even not taking that into account, there's nothing about the word feminism that immediately means "feminine > masculine" except to those who assume that's what it means based on their own preconceptions. It's all about making the feminine equally viewed to the masculine.Anyone who thinks that feminism isn't about equality is likely not really a feminist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Feminism isn't about equality, if it was it wouldn't be called feminism. Anyway, I do know of many feminists that think like that. Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. These are NOT the majority. Please don't say such ignorant things. I happen to know plenty of feminists who aren't like that. Not to mention men can be feminists too so.... But really, don't use the word it's called to say it's not about equality, that's just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Congratulations Agro you have grasped the concept of being a decent human being. If anyone dares to tell me that feminism is just a bunch of females looking to be dominant then you are so deep in your own ego that I might as well stop shaving. And Wizard I'm gonna call you out on your bs right now, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You say you know all these girls, yet you yourself don't understand the concept of feminism. You have no room to judge, especially if you think you understand feminism better then an actual girl. I can't wait for you to also say "not all men" but I also don't expect you to understand why that's the most offensive thing you can say to a girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 God dammit, Tumblr is leaking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapidfire Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 God dammit, Tumblr is leaking again. I MEAN IT'S THE TRUTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Congratulations Agro you have grasped the concept of being a decent human being.that's not true. that's impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 All that said, it's the feminist's duty to shoot for more than equality, as only by doing that can they achieve equality. If it were all for equality they would inevitably have to compromise for less than equality unless they could dictate how "equal" they are, which would be more than equality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 I think most people could really be described as "feminists", male or female, because there are very few people (in a civilised world) these days who would actually want there to be less equality between any groups of people, including gender groups. Its just the term "feminism" that has stigma associated with it so people think like Electric Wizard. I agree its not the best term, since its just a group of people fighting for better equality. My personal view is that men and women should be treated equally well, but not equally. There are obvious genetic differences between men and women that make men better at some things and women better at others. The whole thing about getting more men into caring and cleaning professions or getting more women to be CEOs or bankers isn't sensible or helpful really and is actually just pretending to be equality. Men and women shouldn't be treated exactly the same, but they shouldn't be discriminated against because of their gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 ^Men are genetically predisposed to being better CEOs/bankers? :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 fucking tank u, always knew i was best banker ever #geneticallysuperior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Idk I just used bankers as an example because I remember reading something about how it is a male-dominated profession and how people want to get more women in it. Perhaps men are more rational and are better natural leaders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANZAI!!!! Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 My personal view is that men and women should be treated equally well, but not equally. There are obvious genetic differences between men and women that make men better at some things and women better at others. The whole thing about getting more men into caring and cleaning professions or getting more women to be CEOs or bankers isn't sensible or helpful really and is actually just pretending to be equality. Men and women shouldn't be treated exactly the same, but they shouldn't be discriminated against because of their gender. Personally, I think this viewpoint is false because dispositions and personalities vary so greatly between individual people that the genetic differences that do exist between men and women become moot. Any man can be just as emotional as any woman can be rational, and many different factors such as a person's upbringing factor into someone's propensity for being successful in any given profession, not to mention one's motivation for succeeding at said profession. The reason people want to get more women into male dominated professions has to do a lot more with the fact that these professions pay higher, and that, generally speaking, men make their way up the proverbial ladder faster and end up higher on it when compared to women. Not to mention men tend to be paid better than their supposedly equal female counterparts for performing the same jobs. Hence having women become CEOs and investment bankers will promote equality because they will be making more money, and therefore in essence have more pull and a louder voice. Saying one gender is predisposed to doing one thing versus another or think in terms of rationality versus emotionality( is emotionality a word?) is not only (in my experience) false, but its also wrong because saying that promotes discrimination and sexism. For instance, using that logic i could easily make the argument that women do not deserve equality, since all they're genetically predisposed to do is be homemakers and teachers, and aren't suited for any of these higher paying professions that men are obviously better suited for. Equality means that everyone, regardless of gender, should be allowed to pursue whatever they choose to do, and should be judged based on the merit of their work rather than whatever differences they have. Saying that "men and women should be treated equally well, but not equally" is opening the door for more sexism, and you can't have equality without equal opportunity anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Equality means that everyone, regardless of gender, should be allowed to pursue whatever they choose to do, and should be judged based on the merit of their work rather than whatever differences they have. Saying that "men and women should be treated equally well, but not equally" is opening the door for more sexism, and you can't have equality without equal opportunity anyway. This brings up a good point. In my observation, feminism usually does not fight for equal opportunity, but forced equality through affirmative action. I'm all for judging the individual based on their own merit, but that becomes impossible when you swear that it will only be fair when men and women make the exact same wages and occupy the same jobs at a perfect 50/50 split. There is quite literately nothing stopping females from going into engineering other lucrative fields, but if you go into such programs at Universities, men far outnumber them. To put this in perspective, women now outnumber men in college in general in the United States by a fairly significant margin. (There have been more women than men enrolled in college since the late 70's.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANZAI!!!! Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 This brings up a good point. In my observation, feminism usually does not fight for equal opportunity, but forced equality through affirmative action. I'm all for judging the individual based on their own merit, but that becomes impossible when you swear that it will only be fair when men and women make the exact same wages and occupy the same jobs at a perfect 50/50 split. There is quite literately nothing stopping females from going into engineering other lucrative fields, but if you go into such programs at Universities, men far outnumber them. To put this in perspective, women now outnumber men in college in general in the United States by a fairly significant margin. (There have been more women than men enrolled in college since the late 70's.) To be fair, no profession, or for that matter any demographic that includes both genders, will ever be split evenly. Hell, last i checked, women outnumber men in the world population (i think the split is 52/48) and that means there will always be a minority and a majority where genders are concerned. That said, most of the discrimination (and let me clarify, we're talking specifically about inequality here) women face is de facto discrimination, meaning that it isn't enforced by law, but rather by opinion, custom, and cultural inertia. Its this sort of discrimination that is what's stopping women from entering traditionally male-dominated fields, because there is a cultural and social stigma against doing so. Sure, there's no law on the books that says they can't do so, but society can and does judge women that eschew traditional gender roles and choose those career paths, and those that do are often subject to unequal pay and are unable to advance up the career ladder (lots of people call this the "glass ceiling effect", if you aren't sure exactly what i'm referring to). Women outnumbering men at universities has nothing to do with what majors, and ultimately what career paths, they choose. There's really no surefire way to end such discrimination quickly outside of some sort of affirmative action, since people aren't very likely to rid themselves of biases that are based on tradition and custom overnight, and even educating people is only somewhat effective in the short-term. Now, don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems that can come with affirmative action, and there are plenty of so-called "feminists" i know who advocate it specifically because they themselves are sexist and wish to discriminate against men, but there really isn't another solution to the problem that can be easily and effectively implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPTinYugi Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Perhaps men are more rational and are better natural leaders? With the way sh** has been going in this f-ed up world, I wouldn't say that. Genders are better in certain positions but everybody is different in some way, so it shouldn't really matter unless certain circumstances say it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Culture can be blamed alot for women being seen as lesser than men, that's through years and years and will take a long time to change if it does ever. These countries need to realize by not educating everyone (mainly women), they're missing out on a workforce that can help better the country. But in the developed countries we have no actual excuse anymore to pick one person over another just because gender. It should all be about capability and encouraging both genders to go for every opportunity and not losing them because they feel their gender will be discriminated against. I remember in 'Suits' they had a gender discrimination case, where one women was repeatedly turned down until she found out she couldn't have children, then was suddenly promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 I personally feel a slight of offense from the lady who named themselves as "womyn," which refers to women who were born female and did not transition there from male. It is really ignorant and arrogant of them and just shows that they prefer to discriminate out of hatred than fear or solidarity. They hate anything that is not born with a vagina and it is a tad ridiculous that such extremists expect any social progress when their ideas intend to make a very large demography full of people who are really amazing (and often much, much better people than those born female). It also shows that they either think anybody born male has a predisposition to dishonesty (as they would be unable to truly understand the female gender, even post-transition) or that their female identity is based purely on sex and nothing emotional or mental, and that is honestly really superficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Oh... I didn't know that "womyn" thing was something. I thought they were just stupid and made a typo. That's really disgusting for someone to think. Some people just make me want to give up on the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 That is something you'll feel alot. I get that alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Idk I just used bankers as an example because I remember reading something about how it is a male-dominated profession and how people want to get more women in it. Perhaps men are more rational and are better natural leaders? I think the better example would be the male body being more built towards physical work and the female being more built for emotional work. Not to say of course that woman can't be physical and men can't be emotional, just that the body is built towards that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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