.Rai Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 In the midst of E3, what's been happening? Well, the tumultuous issue that is U.S. gun control. With shootings in Chicago, Seattle, Oregon, Las Vegas and Georgia this week alone, Obama in a recent Tumblr Q&A has addressed the issue fairly directly.[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgWbEOPZuV4[/media]Before this turns into some odd mental health vs gun control thing, note that they are not mutually exclusive problems to deal with.Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Australia instituted gun control a while back. Amount of mass shootings there? Zero. Amount of socialist, marxist, fascist government takeovers of peoples lives due to not having as many guns? Pretty sure still zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Brazil had, in 2005, an election (like a President election) to decide if guns would be allowed in the general population or not. The decision was to not allow them. Off the top of my head, I can only remember one major shooting in Brazil during my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I'd echo the statement for the UK. The gun laws in 1997 came after a mass shooting. One in the past 20 or so years after 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Gun control is on issue of a few that bring out this weird fear folks in the US have that if something small is done to institute changes, or regulations, it will immediately become a slippery slope to communism or some dumb shit like that that takes away all of our freedom and makes the president a dictator. And if you explain to them these problems and that you think things should be changed, you're immediately told: "Not in my America, why don't you go to <insert random country, usually Russia, here>!" Or a personal favorite, if changes are imminent, like the institution of universal healthcare "I'm moving to Canada!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 People will always kill each other guns just make it seem less personal I suppose. America need to realise this will keep happening if they allow the general population to have guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Though I think gun control is a good idea. I'm not certain it's not something else that's causing this to happen as well. I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to believe something about the US culture makes more people ready and willing to snap and do these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
%phil Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Australia instituted gun control a while back. Amount of mass shootings there? Zero. Amount of socialist, marxist, fascist government takeovers of peoples lives due to not having as many guns? Pretty sure still zero. same applies for most european countries as well as japan. as obama says the us is the only developed country where stuff like this happens and i can't believe nothing has been done about it, if anything it is done it'll be none too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Though I think gun control is a good idea. I'm not certain it's not something else that's causing this to happen as well. I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to believe something about the US culture makes more people ready and willing to snap and do these things. Definitely the violence in media. Europe doesn't have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I firmly believe that stricter gun control is unnecessary. I should be able to own my 3 rifles and a hand gun in my home because I am an American and I need to be ready for those commie bast*rds! Seriously, people will always kill people. Mobs are just reactionary and working towards some agenda. I do not like big government and I believe that if every unfortunate event is gonna be made a martyr for some cause then what's the point. Guns are not a necessity for most people, this is true. However, there is a big difference between people who live in downtown Chicago and people like me who live out in the north woods and feel security in having protection from animals and intruders without relying on government protection which is usually not readily available. So go ahead and ban full automatic mini-guns that you can mount to helicopters. Just, don't be unreasonable and keep people with a little freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I never understood why people say "I need my guns for protection." How often has someone honestly needed a gun in their home to protect themselves? And especially if you take out those cases where the assailant also had a gun. Because those would decrease with better gun control. Not to mention just having the gun doesn't mean it will be useful. Many people keep their guns and and the bullets separate and locked up. Why? For safety. If you need to have measures to protect your family from the thing you claim you have to protect your family that's a problem. I've never felt like I've needed a gun to feel safe. And I have been robbed before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 For the whole 'people will always kill people' argument, whilst yes that's true, there's the fairly obvious logistical thing that it's harder to kill masses of people without guns, given it's easier to stop someone trying to kill you with a knife for example. Now yes, some guns should still be allowed (Example being I believe it is legal for Farmers to own rifles in this country, or at least some form of fire arm) because circumstances somewhat demand it (Especially in an environment with somewhat hostile non human life) but allowing guns to be easily accessible to the general populace is a mistake and changing that is something that should have been done years ago. Not that from the sounds of it Obama would actually get away with making such changes, because doesn't he have like the 3rd lowest approval rating of an US president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I swear we've had gun violence topics in the current YCM General topics rotation for like, years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 More than anything we need to really emphasize gun safety. Accidental gun deaths are also a big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 I swear we've had gun violence topics in the current YCM General topics rotation for like, years now. Because people shoot each other...a lot. Really that's basically it, it pops up so often because it happens all the time. Which is why it's an important topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 More than anything we need to really emphasize gun safety. Accidental gun deaths are also a big problem. This is true. But, we do need tougher gun regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Not that from the sounds of it Obama would actually get away with making such changes, because doesn't he have like the 3rd lowest approval rating of an US president?It's a good thing Obama doesn't actually write or pass any laws.And it's pretty clear Congress doesn't care how low their approval rating is, cause what are they, like the worst ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Ok, taking away from the normal direction these threads tend to go, let's say stricter gun control is put into effect. What does this entail, even? Are we going to take guns away from those who already own them? Will it be all of them, or only some? HOW would we take the guns away, assuming it happens? Because, unfortunately, I can easily see the people whose guns you're trying to take away USING those guns to keep that from happening. Perhaps it won't be as common as stereotypes insist, but it would occur. Also, what about the many gun/hunting stores all over the place? Will they be shut down in this case? Will there be special permits? And yeah, what about hunting? Would all of them have to go back to the basics with bows and arrows or something? I'dunno, think of something people. I'm getting pretty sick of these threads being nothing but the same maroons repeating themselves over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Ok, taking away from the normal direction these threads tend to go, let's say stricter gun control is put into effect. What does this entail, even? Are we going to take guns away from those who already own them? Will it be all of them, or only some? HOW would we take the guns away, assuming it happens? Because, unfortunately, I can easily see the people whose guns you're trying to take away USING those guns to keep that from happening. Perhaps it won't be as common as stereotypes insist, but it would occur. Also, what about the many gun/hunting stores all over the place? Will they be shut down in this case? Will there be special permits? And yeah, what about hunting? Would all of them have to go back to the basics with bows and arrows or something? I'dunno, think of something people. I'm getting pretty sick of these threads being nothing but the same maroons repeating themselves over and over.you make it harder for the wrong people to get guns.That's all anyone in government has been pushing for. Something like universal background checks.There aren't many people who are saying "TAKE ALL THE GUNS AWAY," since we've seen what people do when the government comes to reclaim owed taxes when one person lets their cows illegally graze on land that doesn't belong to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Because people shoot each other...a lot. Really that's basically it, it pops up so often because it happens all the time. Which is why it's an important topic. I don't think it's an important topic if it's constant since there's no new ground to cover. We could have a topic every day on how 1+1=2. If it's constant it should get understood. People get shot, people are getting shot, people will get shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Questions on what would happen post-prohibition, if it were to ever happen, are easily solved. Look to other countries which have done it. After the 1997 shooting in the UK, the law which was rolled out was implemented mostly by people handing in their guns on their own volition. Hunting is still legal in the UK, through shotgun licenses. And regarding why have these threads? Probably for the reason that your response is justified. We are fairly desensitised to this now that it's happening so constantly but that's pretty much why it should change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 WHAT?!? GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE... ...with guns. I am going to be honest, if I wanted to, say, go to the local highschool and hold a classroom hostage, I would use a gun. Anything but a gun really isn't as good as a gun. Guns are really good at what they do, and I think most of us can agree that what they do is not a very good thing. Also, there has not been any legislation regarding the seizing of already-owned firearms from citizens, so that takes that question out of relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 I was thinking. The whole taking away the guns thing. If there are people who would use their guns on other people to keep them if the government tried to take them away, aren't those just the kind of people we don't want owning guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 you make it harder for the wrong people to get guns. That's all anyone in government has been pushing for. Something like universal background checks. There aren't many people who are saying "TAKE ALL THE GUNS AWAY," since we've seen what people do when the government comes to reclaim owed taxes when one person lets their cows illegally graze on land that doesn't belong to them. wait are you telling me they don't do this already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 wait are you telling me they don't do this already?Pretty piss poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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