Akira Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27499642 Most depressing thing I've read in a while. These people are considered criminals for expressing themselves in the most joyful and innocent way. Just take a moment to appreciate the fact that you're allowed to be happy without a brutal dictatorship slamming you in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 This is ridiculous. Unnaceptable. Unfathomable. I can't believe that a country would be able to eradicate the ability of expressing yourself in an innocent way. "Violated public chastisy" my ass. Just because the women are unveiled. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well, it is Islamic laws. It's just that they're being dicks about it. Maybe they should learn to stop taking everything so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Western society and Arab society conflict yet again. I'm not well versed in Iran's politics, but it seems like the president at least cares about these issues regarding censorship and the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairman ali Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 No. Iran is ruling under correct Islamic law. There is nothing wrong about the "Happy" video other than women are dancing in-front of non-mahram (mahram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahram). Islam has no conflict over being happy. It's just when westernized muslims are stupid enough to do whatever they like without reading what is permitted and not permitted it is a big deal. Before judging Iran and reading crap posted by BBC, I suggest learning a thing or two about Islamic laws. Iran doesn't forbid anyone to leave the country if they don't like their laws. Pharrell is stupid, simple as that. He could've read the BASIC Islamic laws (which tells you about this) to avoid such things. But people have to go and change whatever they like in religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 No. Iran is ruling under correct Islamic law. There is nothing wrong about the "Happy" video other than women are dancing in-front of non-mahram (mahram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahram). Islam has no conflict over being happy. It's just when westernized muslims are stupid enough to do whatever they like without reading what is permitted and not permitted it is a big deal. Before judging Iran and reading crap posted by BBC, I suggest learning a thing or two about Islamic laws. Iran doesn't forbid anyone to leave the country if they don't like their laws. Pharrell is stupid, simple as that. He could've read the BASIC Islamic laws (which tells you about this) to avoid such things. But people have to go and change whatever they like in religion.I do doubt it was Pharrell's fault. He merely wrote the song; this video is clearly not the official video after all. The thread title and media coverage is admittedly incredibly misleading, as it's basically clickbait.I've always had conflict with things like this. I'm accustomed to Western society, so I wouldn't know about the public perception of Islamic law. If a majority are comfortable with things such as hijab dress being actively enforced, I can see why this seems like misdemeanour. Although if there's public unrest, is change meant to be immanent? After all, there's that trend, My Stealthy Freedom, which is Iranian women taking off their hijab in public; because they wish hijab to be optional. Even the Iranian president tweeted this.I'd have to do more research myself, just because it's an area I probably should look into more.I would note that dancers have reportedly been released, although the video's director has not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 No. Iran is ruling under correct Islamic law. There is nothing wrong about the "Happy" video other than women are dancing in-front of non-mahram (mahram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahram). Islam has no conflict over being happy. It's just when westernized muslims are stupid enough to do whatever they like without reading what is permitted and not permitted it is a big deal. Before judging Iran and reading crap posted by BBC, I suggest learning a thing or two about Islamic laws. Iran doesn't forbid anyone to leave the country if they don't like their laws. Pharrell is stupid, simple as that. He could've read the BASIC Islamic laws (which tells you about this) to avoid such things. But people have to go and change whatever they like in religion. You're totally missing the point. Punishing people for doing something completely harmless because it doesn't fit into the world views of the corrupt few in power = fascism. The whole regime is a fucking disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairman ali Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 I do doubt it was Pharrell's fault. He merely wrote the song; this video is clearly not the official video after all. The thread title and media coverage is admittedly incredibly misleading, as it's basically clickbait. I've always had conflict with things like this. I'm accustomed to Western society, so I wouldn't know about the public perception of Islamic law. If a majority are comfortable with things such as hijab dress being actively enforced, I can see why this seems like misdemeanour. Although if there's public unrest, is change meant to be immanent? After all, there's that trend, My Stealthy Freedom, which is Iranian women taking off their hijab in public; because they wish hijab to be optional. Even the Iranian president tweeted this. I'd have to do more research myself, just because it's an area I probably should look into more. I would note that dancers have reportedly been released, although the video's director has not. Hijab is not the issue here. I've been to Iran and hijab isn't taken a whole lot seriously there by some women. The issue here is the dancing in-front of a non-mahram, which is against Islamic laws. This has been discussed on Islamic forums over and over again. It isn't the hijab problem. It's the dancing that's causing the issue. You're totally missing the point. Punishing people for doing something completely harmless because it doesn't fit into the world views of the corrupt few in power = fascism. The whole regime is a f***ing disgrace. I would love to argue with you and prove you wrong, but you are not worth my time, no offence brother but it's true. I'd rather not keep repeating myself and get responses that aren't even close to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Being punished for smiling is one of the most horrible things ever..... A smile uses much more muscles and expresses a person much more then a frown. Next they are going to say that Breathing would mean the Death Penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 I would love to argue with you and prove you wrong, but you are not worth my time, no offence brother but it's true. I'd rather not keep repeating myself and get responses that aren't even close to reality. Okay, whatever, don't bother. But I'd just like to express my annoyance at your "Iran doesn't forbid anyone to leave the country if they don't like their laws." comment. You think anyone can just move to a different country on a whim? With their magic wad of cash that grew on a tree? We're all born equal, but oppression is real and calling it a "difference in culture" is a bullshit cop-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hijab is not the issue here. I've been to Iran and hijab isn't taken a whole lot seriously there by some women. The issue here is the dancing in-front of a non-mahram, which is against Islamic laws. This has been discussed on Islamic forums over and over again. It isn't the hijab problem. It's the dancing that's causing the issue.Cheers to clearing that up. I wasn't sure on what was going on fully.You're totally missing the point. Punishing people for doing something completely harmless because it doesn't fit into the world views of the corrupt few in power = fascism. The whole regime is a f***ing disgrace.From a Western viewpoint, that's probably what it looks like. I imagine it's a far cry from the truth though. These are countries in which religion is deeply ingrained into culture and law; taking an unbiased viewpoint is vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 You're totally missing the point. Punishing people for doing something completely harmless because it doesn't fit into the world views of the corrupt few in power = fascism. The whole regime is a f***ing disgrace. The problem is, you're demonizing people for doing something that doesn't fit into your own personal (And yes, my own personal) views on how the world should be. It's not the "corrupt few in power". It's Islamic law. Do I wish that this wasn't a thing? Sure. But it's a different culture, different religion, different everything from what I'm used to. I cannot in good concious say that they are wrong. I can only say I disagree with the idea. If someone here was arrested for getting drunk and dancing in the street, I wouldn't get up in arms about it. Because I know that's against the law. (Public intoxication) Sure they were probably having a wonderful time, but even if they didn't cause any harm, it's still illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 The problem is, you're demonizing people for doing something that doesn't fit into your own personal (And yes, my own personal) views on how the world should be. It's not the "corrupt few in power". It's Islamic law. Do I wish that this wasn't a thing? Sure. But it's a different culture, different religion, different everything from what I'm used to. I cannot in good concious say that they are wrong. I can only say I disagree with the idea. If someone here was arrested for getting drunk and dancing in the street, I wouldn't get up in arms about it. Because I know that's against the law. (Public intoxication) Sure they were probably having a wonderful time, but even if they didn't cause any harm, it's still illegal. I respect that. It's really hard to look at things from an objective perspective as we all know. For your comparison though, a law against public intoxication exists for the sake of public safety. Drunk people are a potential hazard, however the reality is they would NOT be arrested for public intoxication if they weren't acting aggressively. They would be asked to move along and get a cab home, if they refused and argued then they might be arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 I have to agree with 'Ali here. It's not the concept of happiness here, it's the Islam 'rules' being broken that are the problem. (And people foreign to the country are probably the worse culprits). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I don't agree with these laws, but the title is misleading. The reason they were arrested is not for being emotionally happy. As much as I'd like to bash the laws, it's not entirely black and white. I'd love to believe that keeping religion and government separate is possible without the government taking a negative stance toward religion, but America is making me doubt that's possible. Personally, I believe that it's possible to have certain moral views and beliefs without believing that your views should be enforced as law, but most people I talk to freak the fuck out at the thought. "Durrr, if you think it's wrong that means you think it should be illegal." But yeah, Iran is very conservative, stop the presses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 While there's nothing wrong with these people expressing their happiness, if it's violating Islamic principles, then there's a problem as far as the government is concerned. I don't know Middle Eastern politics nor Islam well enough to comment on whether or not Iran needs to lighten up on their policies, so I won't do so here. As Yin mentioned though, problems like this arise when two cultures with different views clash (in this case, "Americanized" freedom v Islamic law). Helps if foreigners/visitors to the country understand Islamic principles, so they know what is allowed in the Middle East and what isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Personally, I believe that it's possible to have certain moral views and beliefs without believing that your views should be enforced as law Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 So let me see if I understand this correctly. It was due to Islamic principles that the woman was punished? So basically it was the religious laws to blame? So why are we acting negatively about this again? Many religions have that one negative(sometimes weird) perk about them. If we're going to bash their beliefs when do we start bashing the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPTinYugi Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 I'd love to believe that keeping religion and government separate is possible without the government taking a negative stance toward religion, but America is making me doubt that's possible. Personally, I believe that it's possible to have certain moral views and beliefs without believing that your views should be enforced as law, but most people I talk to freak the f*** out at the thought. "Durrr, if you think it's wrong that means you think it should be illegal." Unfortunately some people try to, it's just people believe what's best for others, whether it's religion or logic. Though the bashing can get to ridiculous degree if someone has a ridiculous justification for it or none. Welcome to the internet! So let me see if I understand this correctly. It was due to Islamic principles that the woman was punished? So basically it was the religious laws to blame? So why are we acting negatively about this again? Many religions have that one negative(sometimes weird) perk about them. If we're going to bash their beliefs when do we start bashing the others? If it ain't their belief, people will dislike it. I would say the belief would have multiple, depending on the religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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