~British Soul~ Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 But what about Darkrai and Arceus? It has been a while since they last got released. Darkrai was another example of a pokemon that Japan got earlier this year. EDIT: Teh feels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I would like to see repeat events for all the event-only legendaries (which now doesn't include Deoxys), especially those that were only a one time thing like Shaymin. For all those people who want them. I managed to get everything, but that was by giving up all the Shiny Dogs and Shiny Palkia (event). Love that post btw. So glad the DSi fixed the net problem as I missed all events before it's release as it took too long to keep changing the router settings. Manaphy I suppose of the 'event' legendaries is probably the easiest to obtain bar Phione, as it's a game completion legendary. Like Jirachi (only downside for Jirachi is it's one per game, and I cannot be bothered to beat Ruby and Sapphire repeatedly to get people more) for Pokemon Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-oras-ou-suspect-testing-round-1-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.3525033/ Greninja is now being suspect tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Gren's lack of priority and incredible frailty, as well as the fact that while he is fast things can still outspend him (mostly Scarf users) keep me from thinking he is at all broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yemachu Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Gren's lack of priority and incredible frailty, as well as the fact that while he is fast things can still outspend him (mostly Scarf users) keep me from thinking he is at all broken. Lack of priority? It has access to 3 priority moves: Water Shuriken, Shadow Sneak and Quick Attack. Though none of these moves is 'Special' in which Greninja excells (just barely). Also, Greninja can switch to another Pokemon if it is being threatened. But it is indeed quite frail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I wouldn't understand why it's being suspected as Uber material. His only basis is a natural High Speed and Sp. Atk that can probably do little against stallers. A good accessory set would be Dark Pulse/Scald/Ice Beam/Grass Knot, but other than that, Greninja doesn't have much range to find a defensive side move if Grass Knot wasn't counted. Add on top gradually killing itself through entry hazards and Life Orbs, and you got yourself a frail beater. Protean is pretty good, but I believe it isn't worthy bringing Greninja in that dimension yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I wouldn't understand why it's being suspected as Uber material. His only basis is a natural High Speed and Sp. Atk that can probably do little against stallers. A good accessory set would be Dark Pulse/Scald/Ice Beam/Grass Knot, but other than that, Greninja doesn't have much range to find a defensive side move if Grass Knot wasn't counted. Add on top gradually killing itself through entry hazards and Life Orbs, and you got yourself a frail beater. Protean is pretty good, but I believe it isn't worthy bringing Greninja in that dimension yet. I don't think Suspect Tests are solely to show whether an OU pokemon is Uber worthy. Simply about whether it's detrimental to the OU game-state they want to create. Thus the test probably doesn't care about how good it is proportionately to Ubers. That's the point I think you were making at least, apologies if you weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I wouldn't understand why it's being suspected as Uber material. His only basis is a natural High Speed and Sp. Atk that can probably do little against stallers. A good accessory set would be Dark Pulse/Scald/Ice Beam/Grass Knot, but other than that, Greninja doesn't have much range to find a defensive side move if Grass Knot wasn't counted. Add on top gradually killing itself through entry hazards and Life Orbs, and you got yourself a frail beater. Protean is pretty good, but I believe it isn't worthy bringing Greninja in that dimension yet. The thing is, especially now with Gunk Shot. It has coverage for basically anything, and it gets STAB on everything. So it's really hard to handle. It can outspeed a lot of things so even if you switch in on an attack to resist it they can most likely just switch moves and hit with something stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 The thing is, especially now with Gunk Shot. It has coverage for basically anything, and it gets STAB on everything. So it's really hard to handle. It can outspeed a lot of things so even if you switch in on an attack to resist it they can most likely just switch moves and hit with something stronger. It only has STAB on Water and Dark. Anyway, I spent too much time on Neptunia Victory and I'll work on Peashy's That was Practice Challenge after Christmas. But now it's time to get caught up in Alpha Sapphire. Here's how it's goin' down: Rustboro and Dewford battles in the Morning, Mauville and Lavaridge during the day, Petalburg and Fortree at sunset and Mossdeep and Sootopolis at night. That's for AS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 It only has STAB on Water and Dark. Anyway, I spent too much time on Neptunia Victory and I'll work on Peashy's That was Practice Challenge after Christmas. But now it's time to get caught up in Alpha Sapphire. Here's how it's goin' down: Rustboro and Dewford battles in the Morning, Mauville and Lavaridge during the day, Petalburg and Fortree at sunset and Mossdeep and Sootopolis at night. That's for AS. Protean allows you to be the pure type as the move you use so Greninja always gets STAB on whatever moves he uses. Have you been out of the loop as to why he's good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Protean allows you to be the pure type as the move you use so Greninja always gets STAB on whatever moves he uses. Have you been out of the loop as to why he's good? Judging by his post, I would think he didn't knew what Protean does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Lack of priority? It has access to 3 priority moves: Water Shuriken, Shadow Sneak and Quick Attack. Though none of these moves is 'Special' in which Greninja excells (just barely). Also, Greninja can switch to another Pokemon if it is being threatened. But it is indeed quite frail. Lack of useable priority. Though, admittedly lack was a poor choice of words. Venerability would have been much better. See, the thing with Gren is that he is fast enough that you don't want to run priority and because they are so weak, running them to avoid other priority users isn't bad. From what my friend was telling me, the problem Gren is cause is that nothing can switch in without taking a nice chunk of damage and because of his move pool size and speed he can easily follow up with a kill. Personally, I feel this argument can be used for a ton of pokemon and his limit of 4 move slots prevents him from covering everything. Add on his poor defense stats, his own difficulty in switching in, and again, the fact that priority greatly limits his use (LO recoil is a thing) I feel that while he is VERY good, he isn't something that should be disallowed in OU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Protean allows you to be the pure type as the move you use so Greninja always gets STAB on whatever moves he uses. Have you been out of the loop as to why he's good? I am always in the dark about stuff until I find out about it. But how do you bring it about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I am always in the dark about stuff until I find out about it. But how do you bring it about? Naturally whenever Greninja uses a move, it'll say that Greninja's Protean turned him into the 'X' type depending on the move, and then he'll attack, so he'll get STAB on all his attacks. Important thing is that he's vulnerable after he attacks but he has a very diverse movepool that can change him into any type to cover any weaknesses, but he'll also have other weaknesses you'd have to forsee. In all, he isn't that hard to bear if you nudge Greninja some by surviving a Life Orb hit, but he's pretty OU tier, but IMO not really Ubers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Guys just read the smogon thread. 4 Moveslots and "not Uber material" are not arguments against banning it from OU. The former doesn't change the over-centralizing mind game that Greninja creates that makes the format turn into "outplay Greninja", much like Aegislash, which Smogon compares it to most as an inverse example from skimming. The latter is like saying a card in YGO isn't fit for traditional so it shouldn't be banned from advanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Guys just read the smogon thread. 4 Moveslots and "not Uber material" are not arguments against banning it from OU. The former doesn't change the over-centralizing mind game that Greninja creates that makes the format turn into "outplay Greninja", much like Aegislash, which Smogon compares it to most as an inverse example from skimming. The latter is like saying a card in YGO isn't fit for traditional so it shouldn't be banned from advanced. Agree on the "not Uber material" being a horrible argument. How good the pokemon will be in ubers isn't what ubers is there for. It is there to keep a pokemon who are problems in OU from breaking it. The 4 moveslot admittedly also isn't a particularly strong one, it just something to keep in mind since there will always be some pokemon who can sit in front of Greninja's attacks. Though I will admit that Greninja could be too good. Personally, the thing I'm struggling with is that while all the other pokemon that have been banished to Ubers all had something about them that was inherently stupid. Gren on the other hand, at least on paper, seems to just have a lot of great things going for him with nothing particularly standing out as too good. It would just be that he has the right amount of great things that together make him broken. This thing is nothing like Aegis. Aegis has a much better defensive typing, and defensive and offensive stats since King's Shield basically lets it have both 150 ATK/Sp.ATK and 150 DEF/Sp.DEF unless what ever it is facing is slow, which not a ton of pokemon will be. Those insane base stats allows Aegis to run zero investment in its second offensive stat and still hit incredibly hard. Aegis also has access to a set up move in the form of SD, something I do not believe Gren has, making it FAR more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Naturally whenever Greninja uses a move, it'll say that Greninja's Protean turned him into the 'X' type depending on the move, and then he'll attack, so he'll get STAB on all his attacks. Important thing is that he's vulnerable after he attacks but he has a very diverse movepool that can change him into any type to cover any weaknesses, but he'll also have other weaknesses you'd have to forsee. In all, he isn't that hard to bear if you nudge Greninja some by surviving a Life Orb hit, but he's pretty OU tier, but IMO not really Ubers. I actually meant how do you get a Froakie or Kecleon with this ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I actually meant how do you get a Froakie or Kecleon with this ability? Do a bunch of wonder trades in X/Y. Odds are you'll get a Froakie with it in no time. Otherwise you need to use Friend Safari. For Kecleon you just need to use the Dexnav in OR/AS and you'll eventually find one with the ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yemachu Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I actually meant how do you get a Froakie or Kecleon with this ability? Do a bunch of wonder trades in X/Y. Odds are you'll get a Froakie with it in no time. Otherwise you need to use Friend Safari. For Kecleon you just need to use the Dexnav in OR/AS and you'll eventually find one with the ability. Adding to that point, the interactable Kecleon in the Mosdeep space station will have this ability as well. Though you must finish the Delta Episode first. If you want to catch a Frogadier (Froakie is not catchable in the Friend Safari) yourself, you need a Water Friend safari (Friend Safari is only available in X and Y). Adding to that, to unlock Frogadier, you must have been online at the same time as your friend with the applicable Safari. At the first page of the Pokemon X/Y thread you can find the friend codes of several members, including which type of friend safari they have; you need that of Airride (4854 - 6893 - 6268). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Protean and Froakie are probably the easiest set to get from Wonder Trade. I get one every few chains of wonder trading and I have a few spare from breeding. I did get a spare HA Dratini if anyone wants it. Good thing about Wonder Trading is the Mirage areas you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I've got tons of Modest Protean guys in my box, in past hopes I'd breed for a shiny. If anyone wants any for Christmas, I'll see what I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I'm trying to work out what HAs I would really like. At the moment I have Houndour, Bagon, Scyther and Fennekin on my list. Got another HA Eevee now as well as Polar Vivillon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Might as well list what presents I got in store: -Chimchars with Fire Punch and Thunder Punch -Froakies with Modest Nature and Protean -Pawniards with Adamant Nature and Sucker Punch -Gibles with Jolly Nature with Iron Head -Duskulls with Impish Nature and have Pain Split, Destiny Bond, and Night Shade -Espurrs with Bold Nature with Own Tempo Ability and have Yawn & Trick (HA) -Timburrs with Guts Ability and have Mach Punch and Drain Punch -Swinubs with Adamant Nature and have Icicle Crash, Curse, and Stealth Rock -Gletchings with Adamant Nature and Big Pecks Ability -Claunchers with Modest Nature and Mega Launcher Ability Also got a HA Gligar I haven't bred yet but if anyone wants any, just ask~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 HA Eevee is probably the second most common HA on WT, I've seen 3 today already. Anyone want a spare Ho-Oh just got one on Wonder Trade. No longer need HA Bagon, just got one. WT is being nice today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I might do some wonder trading later, then again I also need to get started on AS. In other news, Contrary Snivys cannot be traded... for the moment. It seems Nintendo has figured out that people have been trading HA Snivys when the HA Serperior isn't out for another 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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