Blake Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Monsters: 19 3 Batterman AAA 3 Batteryman 9V 3 Mahunder 3 Pahunder 2 Kagetokage 2 Summoner Monk 2 Thunder Sea Horse 1 Masked Chameleon Spells: 16 3 Mystical Space Typhoon 3 Pot of Duality 3 Recycling Batteries 3 Soul Charge 3 Supply Unit 1 Book of Moon Traps: 5 2 Breakthrough Skill 1 Bottomless 1 Solemn Warning 1 TT Extra: 15 1 Crimson Blader 1 Stardust Spark Dragon 1 Masquerade 1 Deltatellos 1 Caingorgorm 1 Dweller 1 King of the Feral 1 101 1 Dire Wolf 1 Paladynamo 1 Exciton 1 Lavalval Chain 1 Daigusto Emeral 1 Bujintei Tsukuyomi 1 Number 80 Idea is basically that Sea Horse is now just a +++++ train, and it's an extra Upstart Goblin-esque card during the Sea Horse turn, via a 2K that floats. Unsure on battery charger, because while it does look good, only time can tell. Might test with just 1. 1 Chameleon because I don't wanna let it go and i was looking for space fillers that weren't thrasher, but may cut later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I realllly like this deck concept. I had some of the same ideas but yeah I'm borrowing some of yours. =P You may not have room but I feel even one Tin Goldfish and Abyss Dweller would help. Could just be me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 You know, considering Seahorse is a card, 9V just becomes more absurdly powerful. Not that anything is wrong with it.Also you could probably get away with swapping a Kage for a Sis. I mean, as an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 You know, considering Seahorse is a card, 9V just becomes more absurdly powerful. Not that anything is wrong with it.ohDweller could really be used, as I've stated. Might be able to get away with cutting an additional enabler like Kage for additional Call as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 yeah, gonna neg omega for dweller. doesn't really do anything when 101 and Caingorgorm are cards that answers most of those situations you need omega for. @sis: HELL NO @Kage/Call: Possibly. Granted if I up call I think I'll neg the chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigusto Sphreez Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Not personally a fan on kagetokage in hunders, you could run BLS or something if you're keeping them though. I still think an Omega would be nice, since your deck seems to have answers for things that target (lance, caingorgorm) but is open to mass removal. My Body As A Shield is an option for the same reason. It still strikes me as a better choice than say Tsukuyomi, which is situational in a deck that usually has a large hand (its a decent option, but it doesn't usually outclass omega in a non-bujin deck). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Not personally a fan on kagetokage in hunders, you could run BLS or something if you're keeping them though. I still think an Omega would be nice, since your deck seems to have answers for things that target (lance, caingorgorm) but is open to mass removal. My Body As A Shield is an option for the same reason. It still strikes me as a better choice than say Tsukuyomi, which is situational in a deck that usually has a large hand (its a decent option, but it doesn't usually outclass omega in a non-bujin deck).I don't see why you wouldn't be. It's a big combo extender and enables combos early. And BLS is winmoar as hell and lacks any synergy. Omega doesn't do anything. For destruction, 101. Target, Caingorgorm. Hell, even Deltatellos can be used similarly. MBAaS is terrible and idk why is even consider it How in the hell is Tsukuyomi situational? Hunders are a deck that LOVE to drop their hand, and there are plenty of T1/2 plays the deck can make where it really pushes you forward. It's certainly not as situational as Omega, and it was even the star of the deck pre-PRIO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Tested a little. Probably gonna cut Sea Horse to 2, because that card is really just 4-5-6 9V, and once you hit one 9V, you don't want to hit more. It can search AAA, but 9V does that too. Searching Hunder Spouses doesn't seem worth 3. I almost decked MYSELF by T7, due to getting 1 supply unit + charger early, then another supply unit along the way. Each turn I was searching 1, drawing 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 id rather have 2 of any sort of hunder monsters in hand than 1.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 id rather have 2 of any sort of hunder monsters in hand than 1.... Uh... no? IDK why I'd want to run the third Sea Horse for the express purpose of searching cards in exchange for, more-or-less, a turn. It's only good T1 or when you're in a winning/decently stable position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 ok so ill duel you and i can start off with 7 cards and you can start off with 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 ok so ill duel you and i can start off with 7 cards and you can start off with 6? You know, your half-pseudointelligent half-snarky comments don't work when you're not actually contributing in any way. I've been testing Hunders for ages. Still testing the deck now. Sea Horse' third iteration is often dead and really costs games. I didn't deny it's good T1, as it's very good then especially now, but after T1 it's often not good until Turn 8+, wherein I usually don't need it to cinch a game unless it's a seriously grindy game. The problem with Sea Horse is that you give up your turn, more or less, and in exchange you get 2 cards. Yes, it's a +1, but why would I use it when I need to devote to the board and set up? The periods of time between its usability is why I really don't like 3, even now. Rather, especially now that I thin the deck a ton thanks to 9V/Supply Unit as well. You can hold it during those turns, but it's one less combo into game card and one more setup card, which the deck hardly needs. Probably gonna cut a Kage for something Level 4 because I forgot how much 3 Kage tends to brick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I tested my own build similar to this (very similar) and I agree three Seahorse isn't really a good idea. In other news I love Hunders <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 No Dark Hole? Is it a win-more card nowadays? If you are cutting a Kage, maybe you could try +1 Masked Chameleon? Of has it been too cloggy at 2 in your tests with other decks? I also think you should stick with 1 Omega because of its ability of going through multiple backrow and keep up the pressure. To make space, I'm thinking you could move #80 to the side, but I don't know if you would be fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 No Dark Hole? Is it a win-more card nowadays? If you are cutting a Kage, maybe you could try +1 Masked Chameleon? Of has it been too cloggy at 2 in your tests with other decks? I also think you should stick with 1 Omega because of its ability of going through multiple backrow and keep up the pressure. To make space, I'm thinking you could move #80 to the side, but I don't know if you would be fine with that. It's been a mediocre card. Eh, I only have 3 targets so I'm iffy on it. It doesn't sound terrible, but I'd rather test the 1 first. I'm not sticking with Omega, especially not over 80. 80's decent or better against a LOT of relevant decks, and I'd rather have that prime G1. If I cut anything, it'd be Masquerade, and I really don't think I need Omega over Masq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigusto Sphreez Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 I don't see why you wouldn't be. It's a big combo extender and enables combos early. And BLS is winmoar as hell and lacks any synergy. Omega doesn't do anything. For destruction, 101. Target, Caingorgorm. Hell, even Deltatellos can be used similarly. MBAaS is terrible and idk why is even consider it How in the hell is Tsukuyomi situational? Hunders are a deck that LOVE to drop their hand, and there are plenty of T1/2 plays the deck can make where it really pushes you forward. It's certainly not as situational as Omega, and it was even the star of the deck pre-PRIO. Winmoar as hell? If you're running 3 kagetokage (which isn't the best idea in hunder anyway imo, but whatever) then you're likely going into king of the feral imps early on, and they'll always be light targets. It's pretty consistent. Omega doesn't do anything and is situational as hell? lolwut, a card that protects you from any basically any backrow is situational? Caingorgorm is situational since it's only protecting you from targeting. Granted, a lot of things target, but what are your outs to torrential, dark hole and mirror force? Omega is also nice with honest since then it can only be destroyed by monster effects. I like Tsukuyomi, but I personally don't feel it has the same level of utility. You're welcome to disagree, but personally while running a copy myself, I rarely get it out since I usually have more than 1 card in my hand. As you point out yourself: 'Hunders are a deck that LOVE to drop their hand', so a lance saving 1 of your monsters when the other 1/2/3/4 have been removed on mass isn't going to be much good. Sure, lance is useful, but that's not a reason to dismiss MBAaS, especially since monster effects that destroy are prevalent (which lance cannot answer for either). MBAaS negates a ton of relevant cards like generics - (Torrential, Dark Hole, Bottomless Trap Hole, Mirror Force) as well as a ton of other stuff (Icarus Attack, Judgement Dragon, BotFF Bear, Bujingi Quilin), but yeah, I guess you weren't looking for advice on your deck, rather an excuse to tell me how my ideas are all dirt and yours are all amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 I was looking for advice. Just not bad advice. Hence why I've already made a change or two. BLS isn't consistent. It's not. It's a card that's only live in the best of games, has no synergy with the deck, and shouldn't be run. It's a level 8 that's often dead in hand and has nothing to do with the winning image. If I wanted something akin to it, I'd run Collapserpent first. Omega: Caingorgorm isn't situational. Caingorgorm shouldn't be resolving unless you're outplaying the opp with it. The idea is that it shuts then out from targeting, lest they lose. It's why compulsory is bad. Between 101, Deltatellos, and Cain, I'm never going to need Omega. Yes, there's D-Pris, but that's not common enough to truly matter, and Deltatellos can blow it away. He may be a 3-Mat, but it's Hunder. And honest is fucking shit in Hunder. Then you're playing the deck wrong, at least Pre-DUEA, somewhat Pre-PRIO. Again, star of the deck post-LVAL, where the idea was you made it or King t1 to filter and get set up for next turn based on what you needed. PRIO adds the Traptrix engine in full, so it's less common, but not entirely. It's still there. Calling a card that relies on what YOU do situational, while arguing a card that's based on what the OPPONENT does not, doesn't make any sense. MBAaS has no freaking place and it's bad. Sure, it can answer Bear or Moralltach... For a chunk of LP that isn't worth it not being versatile in the slightest. What common effect destruction is there? TT? BTH? Those two mons? Dire Wolf and later Deltatellos? I'm not even running Lance, because I missed MST in the initial draft, so idk why I'd want to run a more-or-less worse Lance. Moralltach is the only selling point for it, and it's not enough of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 So much AznEyes logic in here. YOU RUN 3 DARKS, BETTER RUN BLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Updated with some theory-oh and new stuff. -2 Battery Chargers -2 CotH -1 Kagetokage +3 Soul Charge +2 Summoner Monk Probably gonna neg Monks for Lances, but at least for now want to test. I run 16 spells, and it does have a lot of solid targets, and it IS a NSable Lv 4... That said it's monk. EDIT: Also might swap Goblins for duality because Soul Charge makes upstart seem worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 EDIT 2: yeah negging upstarts. +1 for the opp, be it min game or actual, aren't worth it bar one day EDIT 3: why id this not merge Anyways, probably just gonna revamp it altogether given that soul charge is a car that's going to be everywhere and wanna answer it a little better Also unsure if should run 2 or 3 Soul Charge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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