DL Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 I think he would. But being late is UNFORGIVABLE How could you? XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 I go to uni 5 times a week and I'm job hunting. It's easy to forget the irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 I wonder if Ren will allow in my late entryobligatoryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07So_lJQyqw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Meh, I couldn't think of anything for the contest. Next contest should have a prompt rather than a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren✧ Posted April 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Meh, I couldn't think of anything for the contest. Next contest should have a prompt rather than a rule. I am taking suggestions for next contest, so far the 'fly on the wall' idea seems to be most popular, but I am open to any ideas. Thanks for voting, btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Of course It was an idea that I had based on an actual WRITING CLASS XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guys, we should compile a writing guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Guide 1 Show dont Tell. Theres my contribution for the week. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren✧ Posted April 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Show dont Tell. ...that's what you have been saying for like a week now... And while I agree that showing allows for a more established scenery, I feel as if there needs to be a balance between the two otherwise you find yourself with a LOT of unneeded fluff. Guys, we should compile a writing guide. Sounds fun! :D...unfortunately I'm about to find myself quite busy over these next few weeks, but I'll try to contribute what I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Telling is often used for humorous effect. its not exactly a balance. Also I think youre thinkin of showing as description. let me give an example. Show: ''I will not bow down to you!'' Ray exclaimed, clenching his teeth, he tightened his fists and dug his feet into the ground, with an intent gaze on Max, who coldly laughed at him. Tell: ''I will not bow down to you!'' Ray exclaimed. He was angry, and frustrated at having lost. He glared at Max, who laughed at him in a superior way. See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren✧ Posted April 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Telling is often used for humorous effect. its not exactly a balance. Also I think youre thinkin of showing as description. let me give an example. Show: ''I will not bow down to you!'' Ray exclaimed, clenching his teeth, he tightened his fists and dug his feet into the ground, with an intent gaze on Max, who coldly laughed at him. Tell: ''I will not bow down to you!'' Ray exclaimed. He was angry, and frustrated at having lost. He glared at Max, who laughed at him in a superior way. See the difference? Oh okay! I never really saw that as showing, really just more eloquent writing, lol. I thought you were referring to over-describing things to build up the scenery. That is one of the reasons I couldn't really get through some of JRR Tolkens novels, I didn't like the excessive description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Oh nono, showing isnt just about description. Its just a part of it And showing a scenerry is of course, MUCH better than telling someone about it Hard But worth it The gentle petals on the flower, with a single drop of morning dew sliding down its lime green sides, gently moved in the wind. Sounds better than The pretty flower moved in the wind XDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Regarding 'show not tell' description: I am aware I go too far in places, but I agree with DL's comments. Regarding the next contest: Hopefully I'll be in a better position to make more of an effort next time. No real suggestions as to what do. Regarding a writing guide: I can post a shed ton of quotes and advice from my 'Do the Work!' book that have helped me in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Showing is Cowboy Bebop.Telling is Sword Art Online.f*** Sword Art Online.I think I contributed well to this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Yeah, I'm more of a show person. Unless motifs require telling, I see no reason to explain things. Can't really say much for the writing guide. My writing is basically fan-service if not anything boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Well, I mean. If things that happen don't make sense and you're not really going to explain it, then you're probably not showing either.Like, the writing should be able to reasonably, even easily, imply what it is you as a writer are trying to tell the reader– be it through action, expression, etc. If you can't do that, then telling is definitely your best option.I mean, unless you want to keep it ambiguous. But you gotta be careful between being ambiguous and looking like you got no idea what you're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Like I said, telling is usually used for some form of humorous insight into characters thoughts. Its pretty fun. But telling when you could SHOW is...not recommendable. Another important point is to try to not use words like would,should,could,going to (verb),was (verb) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Another important point is to try to not use words like would,should,could,going to (verb),was (verb)Unless you're writing first person. Whereas, go to town on those words, They add character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren✧ Posted April 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Unless you're writing first person. Whereas, go to town on those words, They add character. I've always found writing in first character to be incredibly hard. It always turns into a monologue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Its not as hard as it seems. I dont often do it, since third person is often simpler, but its easier to make stuff funny in first person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 It's also much easier to make your main character look like a total moron.Which I absolutely adore doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Well, isn't first-personing all about monologues? It's just constant talking and explaining from one's point of view really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Well, isn't first-personing all about monologues? It's just constant talking and explaining from one's point of view really.It doesn't necessarily need to be. A first-person speaker could spend their entire time trying to be a 3rd person speaker, while continuously doing it wrong because people aren't omnipotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Yeah, but it doesn't have the right feel. It's all about seeing through their eyes and knowing only them. Unless the character IS omnipotent, then it might be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Yeah, but it doesn't have the right feel. It's all about seeing through their eyes and knowing only them. Unless the character IS omnipotent, then it might be interesting. Well I mean, you can still get to know them simply by HOW they talk about the world around them. (pronouns, word choice) Not to mention the fact that they're still interacting with the people around them. You don't need to be TOLD their every passing thought to understand the narrator as a character. Especially when what you really need to know about them as a character is the exact opposite of what they tell you they are. (looking at you, Nick Carraway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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