Blake Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Both should be banned, honestly. However, I'm actually going to argue that Glow-Up Bulb is less harmful for the gamestate than Spore, and anyone that has played Sylvans should know why. Spore is versatility beyond words. It makes Rank 4s, Rank 7s, Rank 8s, good Synchros, etc. in Sylvans and is never dead because there is always an efficient and powerful way to combo with it. It's just too versatile for a +1 from the grave. Glow-Up Bulb's a generic Lv. 1 Tuner, but that's it. That's still absurd, don't get me wrong, but when compared to its brother... It's hard to put it into words, but if you've played Sylvans you should know the sentiment well. I can kinda see TCG Konami bringing back Bulb and killing Spore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I remember when Spore was banned and everyone was like "omg why they do that they so stupid". Sylvans actually give a reason for Spore to be banned though, because as you said, it is so versatile. Bulb shouldn't come back though, it is an easily searchable generic Level 1 Tuner that revives itself with a cost that actually benefits most of the decks it is played in. Dragons would have a party if it did come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Spore can't go as easily in many other decks like Glow-Up can. Bulb will always be a +1 at least just by itself. Don't get me wrong though, both should be banned. However, if one had to stay, I'd much rather have Spore around than Glow-Up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 screw if this is op or not, i just wanna sell mine :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 This might be my Aki Bias talking. but. Unban Glow-up plz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Kill them both with firefists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 This might be my Aki Bias talking. but. Unban Glow-up plz. would u like to sign my petition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I don't sign petitions, I don't really care way. I'd like it back, but I know the bs it would cause. Specially with Sylvans running around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I make this argument a lot, but Spore is really limiting to future card design by Konami, much more than Glow-Up Bulb. Glow-Up Bulb is so generic it can't make huge plays. People don' build massive combos off Glow-Up Bulb. Spore however opens a great number of plays and can easily be broken with new cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 screw if this is op or not, i just wanna sell mine :) You and me both. Ok, I may be me. But HONESTLY, can someone tell me WHY Bulb needs to stay banned? Without Sylvans being considered. I already know that. And that is Sylvans fault, not GUB. It mills a random one for a one time revival. The revival effect is strong, but it can literally only happen one time. And it somewhat turns One for One into a +0. Spore does seem a lot worse for all that it can so easily do. I want Glow Up Bulb Back. I want a good level one Tuner. And don't give me that "Normal Summon Effect Veiler" bull crap. That's retarded 9 times out of ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 sadly, I've never used glow-up bulb because I was too broke to get one before it got banned, but spore is an amazingly versatile card only in decks that run sufficient amounts of plants.I see the harm he does (I've turned too many games to remember around with a well timed spore) but it's a one time thing, so it's almost forgivable when you think of it like a tiny dragon ruler. limited to one seems to me like a joke though, since it's almost useless at anything above 1 anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 The more time passes, the more cheap Spore looks. I do think they'll have to eventually get rid of it. It helps make high Ranks way too easily. Like at Dragon Ruler levels of easy, but with more versatility. Spore should probably have had a set Level of monsters it could banish. After all, 2 different Level quantities is already plenty for options.... how come I never thought of that route when thinking how Spore could be more fair in the past? Because you know, as much as it wasn't in the list back in the day, it still has always been a "once per Duel" effect, and that's already a sign of "it's too good to do it again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I believe Konami should make a generic level 1 tuner with a power level in between GUB and Unknown Synchron. That aside, I don't really have much problem with GUB unbanned, as it does not create too much degeneracy compared to Spore, and it being unbanned might make more people run synchros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I believe Konami should make a generic level 1 tuner with a power level in between GUB and Unknown Synchron. That aside, I don't really have much problem with GUB unbanned, as it does not create too much degeneracy compared to Spore, and it being unbanned might make more people run synchros. And that there be why it was banned in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Both should remained banned. Don't adopt the logic that just because one card suddenly becomes more broken than another banned, broken card doesn't mean that they should switch places. Spore is still a stupid card though and I do agree that it should have never been taken off the banlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 #UnknownSynchron2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Both should remained banned. Don't adopt the logic that just because one card suddenly becomes more broken than another banned, broken card doesn't mean that they should switch places. Spore is still a stupid card though and I do agree that it should have never been taken off the banlist. What's wrong with that logic? Tsukoyumi or whatever was banned but really it's not even a good card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Spore got a discard engine that took away the inherent -1 you'd take drawing it (GUB has that too), but you still need other Plants of varying Levels to make it useful. So, Sylvans. It could leave. Glow-Up Bulb is a generic splashable Tuner with no drawbacks and can stay banned forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 What's wrong with that logic? Tsukoyumi or whatever was banned but really it's not even a good card Glow-Up Bulb is abuseable as a Tuner. The free mill + self-revival is still a powerful force to be reckoned with, especially when it leads off into Naturia Beast/Barkion/Landoise plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 The "free mill" is meaningless and for the self-revival it needs to be put in the graveyard somehow and then it can only be used once. None of the Naturia Synchro's are worth worrying about really. Getting over Barkion or Beast is easy and Landoise has a steep cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 A free mill nowadays is treated as a free draw if a monster is milled, especially if said monster provides the perfect set-up for the player to win. It's also quite easy to put Glow-Up Bulb into the Graveyard, just as it is easy to put Spore into the Graveyard. In addition, a Synchro out of nowhere is still dangerous, no matter how you look at it. Plus, the Naturia Synchros will always be dangerous, even crippling to a good number of Decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Both should be banned, honestly. Pretty much. It mills a random one for a one time revival. The revival effect is strong, but it can literally only happen one time. That one time is enough if you wanted to get a Synchro or whatever it is you want -- it advances your plans without you having to spend extra cards. Whether that happens all of once or a million times is immaterial, except in making the problem a matter of degree as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 That one time is enough if you wanted to get a Synchro or whatever it is you want -- it advances your plans without you having to spend extra cards. Whether that happens all of once or a million times is immaterial, except in making the problem a matter of degree as well.The rulers need to all be banned before spore does by that logic (not that I'd really complain about either one.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I just don't get what a plus or two off of Glow Up Bulb is hurting when decks these days need to plus off each other to win. If one card doesn't get more cards out of it then it is not a good deck; etc etc. How does Bulb do this anymore than anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I just don't get what a plus or two off of Glow Up Bulb is hurting when decks these days need to plus off each other to win. If one card doesn't get more cards out of it then it is not a good deck; etc etc. How does Bulb do this anymore than anything else? Card advantage is not everything. Bulb is not broken because it gives you a +1. Bulb allows you to make offensive Synchros with no field and a single monster in hand, "upgrading" a dead draw into viability. It also extends Synchro combos significantly by serving as Material twice in one turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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