tonisanoob Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 How Low Can You Go?Cheating In Yu-Gi-Oh, Trading Card Game.By Tony Mera Yu-Gi-Oh: skill or no skill? If you go to Metagame.com, you will realize that we see the same people over and over again making Day 2. Why is that? They go to a lot of SJC's, which give them a great number of attempts to qualify for Day 2. A lot of people think this game is more skill based than it really is. People don't understand that many things contribute to making a day 2 at a SJC. You have to have a lot of luck, play very well and run into favorable match ups. This leads me to believe that even in the off chance that you play as well as every other player, your "luck" might not always be as great as theirs. Luck has to run out sometimes, which makes me believe that cheating is what allows these alleged "Pros" to qualify for Day 2 multiple times. Some of you may say, "Well they also seem to scrub out of a lot of events they play too." Yes some scrub because their opponents are smart, shuffled their decks and therefore, were not cheated. Also, the fact remains that they might face experienced players like themselves. Both cannot cheat each other. When two "good" players face each other, it becomes a test of who can draw the better hand and who has a better deck for the match up. This knocks out multiple Shonen Jump Day 2 qualifier for the other one. Cheating is the only skill this game has. Some of you may say that reading and analyzing the field will win you the game. Yes, but this is very limited, so limited it almost does not matter. You can predict and read all you want, but if your hand does not provide counters to their’s, what can you do? Skill is limited. Luck is a huge factor in this game. The few factors of skill this game has is taken away by easy net-decking. You can run some math, play with the odds, but it will never stop when an opponent who is playing out a D-hero beat down OTK hand. It does not seem to matter or take that much science to read a Machine Duplication when your opponent summons a Trooper. This game has so much luck going around, that people who have more than three Shonen Jump Day 2's have to cheat. I don't want to say any names here. Has anyone realized that now we see people who make Day 2 at back to back events? This is almost impossible without cheating. Luck is so huge, but no one can be so lucky, as to make back to back Day 2's. We all know that many of the "Pros" do not always Day 2. Many of these people cheat, but can not always pull off the win. I know that I'm letting down a couple people's dream here, but people cheat. We have seen many people do anything for the glory of the win. We saw the great 3 time Shonen Jump Winner go down in a blaze of disgrace after nationals. He is also currently banned, and always seemed to be an all time favorite, just like the current all time favorites we have still going around, who are placing well like he did. You all must think that I am just a hater. No, I just want to expose the truth to everyone, to help people know the facts "Pros" try to hide between each other. Many players know they cheat, even though they just try to hide this fact between themselves. The probability of always out-drawing your opponent is very slim. When you do it in a nine or ten round Jump back to back or multiple times, it becomes suspicious. We all know that these "Pros" are good and do not need to cheat. They do so because they want to win the championship, prizes, and money. This allows them to keep traveling to other events. If you’re traveling to Shonen Jumps, YOU DO NOT want to LOSE. Therefore, people will cheat. No one wants to waste money on a trip when they know that they don't have that great a chance of doing well at due to the factor of luck. Therefore, people will resolve themselves to cheating. This game has no respect or "honor" like it had years ago, if it ever did. We now see an increase in number of thefts. It might be because of the expensive cards and greed. Yu-Gi-Oh players are greedy. If they will steal, then it's completely obvious they will resolve to cheating. There is no shame in stealing between your friends, right? This is how it usually sounds, "Wow, your so lucky, so what goods did you get?" It's a complete shame that some people can't even take their binders to events anymore. This game is built to have fun. It's not meant to hurt anyone. This game may be competitive, but people need to relax. The greed of players is making stealing and cheating go to an all time high. People will cheat at every opportunity they can just to gain an extra step to "glory." Mankind never liked losing. People will do anything to win in some games, sports, jobs and life. People are even willing to kill, which is why there are so many murders throughout the world. I'm so glad there has not been a murder over Yu-Gi-Oh yet. I'm almost really surprised. I was sure someone was going to pull the trigger over a bubble match. People need to realize that this is a luck sack based game, having little or nothing to do with skill. The only skill this game involves is cheating and not being cheated. This game is so luck sack based, it would seem impossible for people to day 2 multiple times, no matter how good he is. Every good player I know has knowledge of the same amount of information as any other "Pro." The fact that people who do well, but do not go to many jumps have realized how expensive traveling to events is. They have decided that luck plays an important role in every duel and deciding they will not cheat, end up attending very few high level premier events. Cheating gives "Pros" confidence to do well. If they knew they had no chance, they would not always choose to travel much. People who take the next step to always travel to such and such event, know they cheat. Like I said before, this game is hand against hand, top deck against top deck, match up against match up, and common sense of knowing how to play the card game. People make it that this game has so much skill that people need to call each other terrible. I even caught myself falling into this trap a couple of times. do all you good players on this site ever cheat be truthful i must say it would be really sad if you ever did =/ infact to anyone, do you ever cheat? i however dont i feel that if i play a totally fair game luck will help me, weird i kno its just how i feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonenhikada Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Well to answer his question I don't cheat, I make mistakes. Yeah but If I'm aware that i did or if my opponent tells me I'll make sure to fix the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 ah right well thats fair im talking about ykno liek taking adantage of a n00b and saying...(this i did have to laugh at) there is this weird guy at the hobby league i go to and he read hid opponents ladd twice, then he went welldus that just negate everything then they guy went yes then he was like ok i lose :S but yhea just liek actualy being aware of yourself cheating kinda cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 =/ cheatings for sore losers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 personally i belive the game should be more hounourable than just total disregard for the rules whats the point in even playing the game then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 and you can change that how? we cant put cameras everywhere... and whos going to be "honourable"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 i kno we cant change that but it is how it should be wouldnt you agree ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 well we need people to actually look at the game and spot cheating. i might have cheated but that was when i was a noob, know i hardly do so unless my opponent is an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I remember there was one guy at one of the SJCs who cheated to put Trap Dustshoot into his opening hand every game. People caught on after he used it instantly six games in a row. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Well to answer his question I don't cheat' date=' I make mistakes. Yeah but If I'm aware that i did or if my opponent tells me I'll make sure to fix the problem.[/quote'] who cares if you cheat, the text is talking about "pros"... anyway, cheating is always present, i think there must be a list of recurrent tricks that commonly are used to cheat so we can identify a cheater... and just one advice, always shuffle your opponent's deck, it will allow to check if there's marked cards (some cheater don't let you put your hands on their decks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Well to answer his question I don't cheat' date=' I make mistakes. Yeah but If I'm aware that i did or if my opponent tells me I'll make sure to fix the problem.[/quote'] who cares if you cheat, the text is talking about "pros"... anyway, cheating is always present, i think there must be a list of recurrent tricks that commonly are used to cheat so we can identify a cheater... and just one advice, always shuffle your opponent's deck, it will allow to check if there's marked cards (some cheater don't let you put your hands on their decks) Doesn't everyone always shuffle their opponent's deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 not always... here where i play everyone just cut the opponent's deck, just me and some of the best players shuffle the opponent's decks, specially when we know that the opponent is a topdecker or shuffle slightly the deck to draw the same cards... but here no one wet the cards, or bend them, or cut a little the edges... just do the slight shuffle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Everyone cuts their opponent's deck. if you dont, you are an idiot. (unless youre just playing a friendly match of course.) So how exactly are they cheating? The only way I've ever cheated was by using Sangan's effect to get DD Warrior Lady, and then putting Reinforcement of the Army on the top of my deck and shuffling so it was on the top. That only worked because my brother and I just play friendly duels and dont bother to cut decks. (but we do cut them in our locals.) I don't see how you can cheat. As long as your opponent cuts your deck, youve just lost it right there. The writer of that article didnt even give any evidence of cheating, he just claimed they were cheating. IF they cheat all the time, how do new people get into Day 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Also, I love how the author's full argument in favour of cheating is that "They win." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 that is a very true fact actually he minght just be jeloud ^_^ oh that weird guy who epicly lost to the ladd he cheated all the time he didnt let people cut his deck and liek 6 hands in a row he got lord of d, 2 blueeyes and a flute of summoning dragon, true there are worthless but he didnt think so, but yhea it won him a few (i think) somhow, so when it came to me duleling him i was liek thats it im shuffling your deck, and he was liek, "oh its weird not many ppl bother" and im liek "yhea so. I do!" and he has the rele squeaky voice. then when he drew his opening had he was liek (with a deep voice) oh -.-! (hes 30 btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I like how you spelled "like" wrong every time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parting Shot Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I agree with HORUS, that the guy didn't give much evidence other than them "winning", yet I do know that cheating is certainly something that goes on. It's too easy to get away with sometimes (from what I hear). I've never actually been to an official tournament, but I've talked with people who have and they've said that it's fairly easy to sneak some cheating in without anyone realizing (as long as you don't do the same thing 6 times in a row like the Trap Dustshoot guy). I have been to tournaments for a different TCG that I dabble in, and I myself had to play someone who cheated. He had 2 of a limited card in his deck, and used them both on me. Then, at the end of the game, they counted it a tie since we had the same number of points when time ran out, even though he would've had one less if he hadn't cheated. I was very upset, but unfortunately he got away with it. They made him take the duplicate out after that game, but the damage was still done. Azuh is right, there really isn't anything we can do to change it, other than not cheating ourselves and reporting it if we catch someone else. It's just sad that people are so greedy and selfish that they have to resort to cheating just to get their next 15 minutes of fame and more money to sit on their butt and be lazy. I like how you spelled "like" wrong every time...Perhaps that's just how he spells it :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I don't see how you can cheat. As long as your opponent cuts your deck' date=' youve just lost it right there. [/quote'] is possible when you somehow manage to change the card size... of perform a slightly shuffle... ok, maybe the author is jealous, but he has a point... in a top 16 how many of them are new players? and how many of them are players that appears on several top 16 in a row?? LOL fabian cantu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 yhea it is how i spell it actually basically when it comes to typing i replace accuracy with speed =/ so now i just end up spelling like, like, liek :S >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 The only other skills in this game are reading, understanding, and deck making. And nowadays deck making isn't that difficult to do. basically the same cards are slapped in all decks that are remotely alike. So what is left? Cheating, reading, and understanding. Like the person who wrote the article said, there is very limited skill you can use other than the art of cheating. You can only understand so much of the situation and what effect your card will have for the opponent next turn, and so on, and think so far ahead before it doesn't do any more good for you. It's a sad fact, but it's true for all games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 This whole topic is a big ball of tl;dr Can someone summarize it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 This whole topic is a big ball of tl;dr Can someone summarize it? The pros must all be cheaters because they win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson91 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 No Crab, this thread isn't about that. The author ment that he thinks some (notice the some) pros may cheat. We won't know until a) they get caught or b) they admit (which probably wont happen). I hate Cheaters, especially when you are playing for cards. I remember when I was a newb and I pwned this kid and got: Sanga, Sinister Serpent and something else. Then, he dueled me again and cheated. I almost lost, but I caught him and I won! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzi Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Cheaters are annoying. Someone tried to own me with a misprint, that he knew was misprinted. While I was noticing, he stole my cards. Lucky, I caught him and beat the c*** out of him. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Oh god! wilson91, change your damn avatar! >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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