Yu-Gi-Oh! Arc-V

[Timeline15]

wasn't duel academy from GX called academia in the Japanese version? but why would they start hunting xyz users for sport? and why are the synchro users attacking heartland as well? The plot thickens....

 

Also, I like how no one in the crowd reacted to Sora basically admitting mass murder, or Kurosaki threatening the same, but practically burst into tears when they summoned a "scary" monster. Continuing the yugioh trend of the general public being idiots I see.

[Pchi]

wasn't duel academy from GX called academia in the Japanese version? but why would they start hunting xyz users for sport? and why are the synchro users attacking heartland as well?

 

Because ZeXal almost ruined the franchise's reputation?

 

No, but, seriously, I have a hunch that those attacks are motivated by more than simply the Fusion and Synchro users being d*cks. I don't think that the Xyz World is that innocent either; perhaps the rest of the planet decided to adopt Heartland's (old) garbage disposal method and the other universes got literally tired of their sh*t? I don't know, I just don't feel it's all black and white (no pun intended) in this conflict.

[~British Soul~]

No, but, seriously, I have a hunch that those attacks are motivated by more than simply the Fusion and Synchro users being d*cks. I don't think that the Xyz World is that innocent either; perhaps the rest of the planet decided to adopt Heartland's (old) garbage disposal method and the other universes got literally tired of their sh*t? I don't know, I just don't feel it's all black and white (no pun intended) in this conflict.

Yeah, I agree. I feel that we do still have quite a bit to learn about this conflict.

[Spinny]

wasn't duel academy from GX called academia in the Japanese version? but why would they start hunting xyz users for sport? and why are the synchro users attacking heartland as well? The plot thickens....
 
Also, I like how no one in the crowd reacted to Sora basically admitting mass murder, or Kurosaki threatening the same, but practically burst into tears when they summoned a "scary" monster. Continuing the yugioh trend of the general public being idiots I see.

Because xyz users should be burned alive because they are so stupidly boring to play against.
Shame on sora for choosing such lowsey hunting targets, though I do agree that xyz users shouldnt be a thing.
Sora is my favourite character hands down, he's the only person with a deck that has a deck theme that isn't thoroughly boring to rewatch in later episodes.
Shun is by far the person who should just be been killed by sora, he's such an idiot since he is now just as bad as sora because he tried to do the same to him when a sensible person would use reasoning in a manner that didn't show you yourself up to be crazy.
Shun is just an overall stupid character as he is just a rip off even more boring to watch crow from five dragons since their past is pretty damn similar.
Sora should've won and shown up all of those stupid xyz players, sora should've just summoned a three mat tiger for game but you know he thought that he might give shun a chance to pro e himself in later episodes, how stupid he was.

[evilfusion]

Here's my views on Sora, post-subs. I'll spoiler it for size reasons, and also just in case someone didn't see the sub, since I mention some scenes specifically.

 

Also, I do my typical "rambling analysis", which I sometimes suspect annoys the hell out of people.

 

[spoiler=Sora]

 

Firstly, I retract everything I said about Sora not being relatable to other Yugioh insane characters (Vector, etc). He's not on their level YET, but he's much worse than I realized prior to the subs. I also retract anything I said regarding Sora being suspicious/evil as hell in previous episodes.

 

Secondly, I adore Sora and his Deck. Even more so before he went crazy.

 

As for why no one reacted to Sora "admitting mass murder/etc"...that's because no one has a clue what the hell Shun and Sora are even talking about. Yuya and co are completely baffled whenever Shun or Sora goes on a spiel about battles and games, and so on. The audience, who probably don't know anything about either of these Duelists, are even less aware or concerned about the context of these statements. However, they were aware of how "off" the Duel was becoming, with all the destruction and Sora's increasingly unhinged behavior.

 

But anyway, a quick analysis of Sora's behavior through the lens of post-reveal is actually quite interesting. He shows little interest in most Duels, and has never really treated any opponent as a threat. If he's really part of a group of Fusion users that "hunt" Xyz users for entertainment, this explains a great deal. He genuinely IS at a higher level than the casual Duelist, and sees them as boring, not even worth the effort of playing against.

 

He has shown interest in other Fusion users, like Masumi, but while acknowledging they're good, he still sees them as below him. That's because he's a "True Fusion user". His skill with Fusion tactics probably really is superior and stronger than Duelists who were taught it.

 

His disturbingly good agility is a hidden skill of his. He rarely showcases it (probably because it's so ridiculously good that it's suspicious), and against Yuya, he briefly FAKED not being agile at all, until he started playing more seriously and had Summoned Des-Toy Scissors Bear. Shun and Yuto also have this agility, but it's honed through combat.

 

I also remember that when Yuto (carrying unconscious Shun) told Yuzu Fusion didn't suit her, that Sora's response (other than mild offense) was to ask if Yuto used Xyz, then added he could show Yuto how awesome Polymerization was. It was actually subtle indication that Sora wants to fight Xyz users specifically.

 

Sora never takes opponents seriously, so he's ridiculously egotistical. This often makes his character almost unlikable, like he's a spoiled little brat who rarely Duels, but goes on about how awesome he is. I feel this was intentional now. Pride is Sora's fatal flaw. His refusal to take Shun seriously for most of the match led to him losing, and he became increasingly unhinged because he was just convinced that he was stronger, and that Shun was just a plaything, but was unable to keep an advantage at all. He also looked absolutely dumbfounded when Shun first used Rank-Up Magic. As an evolved Xyz mechanic, it should have tipped him off that he was possibly outmatched.

 

It's also kind of scary when you consider Sora's side comments during Yuzu's rematch with Masumi, towards a spectating Shun. Yuzu strongly resembles Shun's sister, and Sora knows this. He was more or less mocking Shun about the fact Yuzu had learned Fusion from him. In the context of Sora ACTUALLY being one of Shun's enemies, and not just a skilled opponent...he obviously enjoyed the irony. Bonus points for Sora mocking Shun in their Duel about "using his own monster to finish him off".

 

Yeah...Sora's a twisted little shit.

 

But him losing, I think, will be a great step for character development from him. Him losing to Shun caused him to have a breakdown, insisting the match wasn't over, and it was impossible for him to have lost to "Xyz scum", even demanding another Duel before passing out. As the Duel had progressed, he kept stating that he was going to play more seriously, and even nearly cackling about how because Xyz users were just prey, he never had to Duel seriously against them, because the Duels were just games for amusement to him.

 

But next episode, it seems Sora develops a grudge against Shun, and is determined to prove that if he plays seriously from the start, he'd easily be superior. I'm also very curious how the reveal will affect his relationship with Yuya and others, because he's been a friend, but...

 

Unlike the Shingetsu/Vector situation, Sora doesn't seem to be an enemy to Yuya and co, and Yuya and Yuzu are already confused and concerned about Shun's presence in the tournament.

 

[/spoiler]

 

So yeah...I've got high hopes for Sora as a character from here on.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

So the plot intensifies now...

Anyway, thoughts on subs.

 

[spoiler=34 subs]

• Yeah, Sora went crazy this time and even admitted hunting Shun's people was a game, enough that he got cocky and provoked Shun to the limit. (Vector much?)
• So Shun being a dick and cockblocking Sora's moves did have some relevance (how does it feel to be hunted and all?), but still.
• Yuya doesn't know what they're talking about; but they are surprised that Sora had involvement with hunting down Shun/comrades.
• Sora gets mental breakdown from losing; whether or not he actually is better than Masumi and other Fusion users remains to be seen. Of course, his pride leads to his defeat [we've seen this outside of the animeverse a few times, haven't we?]
• In a different context, this could've be a possible situation in another battle anime of sorts.
• Appears Reiji was impressed at Shun's skills.
• Wondering what Reiji meant by "Sora will be experimental material for Academia"; we'll have to see future episodes.

In other words, even though Sora became a psychopath towards the end, he's still tolerable (though he did scare the crap out of small children, and even the adults)

[/spoiler]

[Timeline15]

@ kingofoblivion.... your sig is literally 2 xyz monsters. Can't tell if joking or not.

 

But yeah, looking forward to more reveals next time, and a chance to see Yuto in action again.

[evilfusion]

I'm inclined to think people just REALLY hate Shun and his Deck.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

It would be nice if Shun got another Main Deck instead of seeing Rainius.

 

Compared to the other anime villains (or at least the antagonistic characters), his Deck revolves around spamming said monster into Rise; then being a jerk and cockblocking whatever he feels like. (Seriously, RRs didn't need 2 Counter Traps that do nearly the exact same thing; minus one hitting Traps). At least everyone else had some coherency.

 

(Wasn't there a convo about this in TCG; unless Shun gets another Main Deck monster; any support he has is essentially crap)

 

And pretty much yeah, a lot of people hate him for above reasons: Just pulls out random backrow to be an ass + topdecks some "I win" card; rinse and repeat.

(I probably hate Shun as much as Eita; you know, that snotty kid that was a quiz ace + laughed at Yuya for not being intelligent)

 

 

I am saying a lot of these things bluntly, yes (and I apologize for the language), but in actuality, Shun's essentially bland in character development (all we know right now is that he's a battle hardened duelist that Sora's people likes to hunt + his Deck is literally 1 monster spam, etc)

[Spinny]

@ kingofoblivion.... your sig is literally 2 xyz monsters. Can't tell if joking or not.

 

But yeah, looking forward to more reveals next time, and a chance to see Yuto in action again.

Well...... lets just say they didnt need their xyz monsters when i totally *cough* did not *cough* in any way *cough cough cough* burn...... alive.

 

(Dorklord: Did you just say something?

Me: N-no not at all ask azathoth.....)

 

 

I'm inclined to think people just REALLY hate Shun and his Deck.

With good reason.

 

 

 

It would be nice if Shun got another Main Deck instead of seeing Rainius.

 

Compared to the other anime villains (or at least the antagonistic characters), his Deck revolves around spamming said monster into Rise; then being a jerk and cockblocking whatever he feels like. (Seriously, RRs didn't need 2 Counter Traps that do nearly the exact same thing; minus one hitting Traps). At least everyone else had some coherency.

 

(Wasn't there a convo about this in TCG; unless Shun gets another Main Deck monster; any support he has is essentially crap)

 

And pretty much yeah, a lot of people hate him for above reasons: Just pulls out random backrow to be an ass + topdecks some "I win" card; rinse and repeat.

(I probably hate Shun as much as Eita; you know, that snotty kid that was a quiz ace + laughed at Yuya for not being intelligent)

 

 

I am saying a lot of these things bluntly, yes (and I apologize for the language), but in actuality, Shun's essentially bland in character development (all we know right now is that he's a battle hardened duelist that Sora's people likes to hunt + his Deck is literally 1 monster spam, etc)

That and that sora has been brought out so much better in contrast.

[Toffee.]

I'm inclined to think people just REALLY hate Shun and his Deck.

Pros:
Hes a tryhard mary sue
He became the new husbando for blackwingfags

Cons:
Only has 1 move
Sits on pure backrows/etc
Embodies the bad qualities of ZeXal

[Timeline15]

He's largely immoral, and acts far more impulsively that Yuto. in what way is he a mary sue? because he hasn't lost a duel? Very few antagonists in this show do before their actual final defeat.

 

And I considered the worst aspects of zexal to be the annoying brat of a main character and his attempts at comedy. Shun is quite serious and, to be honest, badass. If you mean the over-reliance on his boss monster, then yeah, I would have to agree, but I  thinks he's a much better character than people are suggesting.

[Spinny]

He's largely immoral, and acts far more impulsively that Yuto. in what way is he a mary sue? because he hasn't lost a duel? Very few antagonists in this show do before their actual final defeat.
 
And I considered the worst aspects of zexal to be the annoying brat of a main character and his attempts at comedy. Shun is quite serious and, to be honest, badass. If you mean the over-reliance on his boss monster, then yeah, I would have to agree, but I  thinks he's a much better character than people are suggesting.

Badass and the need to be slapped are two totally different things.

[evilfusion]

Shun has a lot of traits that make him badass to some degree. But his Dueling tactics are a bit bland and over-repetitive.

 

I don't utterly despise Shun, but he's not a very enjoyable character to watch. I've been excited to see his Duels, such as the Masumi/Hokuto/Yaiba vs him. He disappointed in terms of Dueling, but I liked his attitude about iron determination. I then hoped to see his Deck fleshed out more in his match with Sora...and was again disappointed because not much was added to his Deck, and while I'm not ready to write him off entirely, I can fully understand the distaste for him.

[Spinny]

Shun has a lot of traits that make him badass to some degree. But his Dueling tactics are a bit bland and over-repetitive.

 

I don't utterly despise Shun, but he's not a very enjoyable character to watch. I've been excited to see his Duels, such as the Masumi/Hokuto/Yaiba vs him. He disappointed in terms of Dueling, but I liked his attitude about iron determination. I then hoped to see his Deck fleshed out more in his match with Sora...and was again disappointed because not much was added to his Deck, and while I'm not ready to write him off entirely, I can fully understand the distaste for him.

 

Ive written him off.

If he gets more monsters then they'll either not be worth it or break him, most likely the latter. However if it doesnt break him then there is always the 70 choices of spells in his deck to play so meh.

[~British Soul~]

Ive written him off.

If he gets more monsters then they'll either not be worth it or break him, most likely the latter. However if it doesnt break him then there is always the 70 choices of spells in his deck to play so meh.

Here's hoping Crossover Souls has some more main deck Raid Raptor monsters.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Here's hoping Crossover Souls has some more main deck Raid Raptor monsters.

Yeah, we can only hope that.

As already noted in the thread, Sora showed off more of his Deck in the episode than Shun's done in both his appearances.

 

Otherwise, Shun's essentially going to topdeck Rainius (and whatever backrow he so happens to carry at the moment).

 

 

On that note, I'm more interested in Sora v Yuto; rather than Shun at the moment.

Just hopefully Yuto doesn't turn out like Shun (in the sense that he repeatedly uses the same Main Deck cards over/over again].

[~British Soul~]

Yeah, we can only hope that.

As already noted in the thread, Sora showed off more of his Deck in the episode than Shun's done in both his appearances.

 

Otherwise, Shun's essentially going to topdeck Rainius (and whatever backrow he so happens to carry at the moment).

Yeah, because atm Shun's basically playing Bujins.

 

On that note, I'm more interested in Sora v Yuto; rather than Shun at the moment.

Just hopefully Yuto doesn't turn out like Shun (in the sense that he repeatedly uses the same Main Deck cards over/over again].

I'm hoping the same, though I liked Yuto more than Shun anyway.

[evilfusion]

I get the feeling that Sora vs Yuto won't have a conclusion, if only because Yuya is going to be present. What's the betting that Yuzu shows up near the end?

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Hmm...

Why does Shun only have 3 Main Deck monsters, and Yuto seemingly not have any?

Could it have something to do with their whole Survival thing?

[~British Soul~]

Hmm...

Why does Shun only have 3 Main Deck monsters, and Yuto seemingly not have any?

I see you're not counting Shun's Spell monster as a main deck monster it seems. That's understandable.

[evilfusion]

Hmm...

Why does Shun only have 3 Main Deck monsters, and Yuto seemingly not have any?

Could it have something to do with their whole Survival thing?

 

It's theoretically possible that they run mostly S/Ts as a defensive strategy.

 

But a lot of Shun's cards rely on him having a RR, which is why it's ridiculous how few he seems to have. He's also running a definite archetype.

 

Yuto gets a pass because he's only Dueled once so far, so we only know 3 of his cards (Phantom Veil Knights, MST, and that other Trap that activates in the Grave), plus Dark Rebellion.

[heraldry_lord]

But a lot of Shun's cards rely on him having a RR, which is why it's ridiculous how few he seems to have. He's also running a definite archetype.

 

inb4 he reveals a slew of new Main Deck Raid Raptors in one future duel.

 

But seriously, he needs to stop using just Lanius onscreen.  It'd also be nice to see him use Force Strix, and that is possible, since Yuya eventually used Silver Claw.

[~British Soul~]

It'd also be nice to see him use Force Strix, and that is possible, since Yuya eventually used Silver Claw.

I don't think we'll see Shun summon Force Strix imho.

[Sleepy]

Shun is the most kill-joy player I've seen in a long time. Sitting behind a bunch of backrow in everything he draws, then just Summoning the same single monster's copies all the time, and then resuming with his unchanging Xyz's offensive during his turn. If you think about it, it is pretty hard stall, almost akin to that of an Exodia/Final Countdown deck. That is just terrible.

Then we have the other factor that Action Cards give him indefinite additional protection so not even a card-advantage drain strategy to grind through his backrow is good enough. If I was playing against him, it'd be incredibly annoying.

 

On the bright side, I find it pretty stupid that considering the ATK of the Raid Raptor Xyzs, the seemingly most effective course of action that'd just downright nullify Shun's offensive plays, is Normal Summoning a beater and sticking to it all the way. Like a good Seven Colored Fish would only go down to the Rank 6 there, and the bunch of Waboku-like backrows would just delay things. It is almost funny...