Premier Alexander Romanov Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 So... [spoiler=Episode 13] Why did Reiji's Pendulums malfunction? And what was the conclusion of the school duel? [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I finally got around to watching the episode. (Yeah, I didn't have the time to watch it after posting the link as I had to nip out and I've had relatives round all afternoon) So... [spoiler=Episode 13] Why did Reiji's Pendulums malfunction? And what was the conclusion of the school duel? [/spoiler] [spoiler=Response] - The IRL effects cause their Penudulum scales to increase/decrease during the standby phase and destroy all non-DDs whose level are higher/lower than the scales. In this case, I think their scales are doubled/halved and destroy pendulum summoned monsters who whose level are higher/lower than the scales, and since this is Reiji's first time using the Pendulums, it certainly caught him by surprise. - It looked to have been abandoned, the reason why will be known when we get the subs. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 [spoiler=Thoughts on 13]Safe to say Reiji's cards were basically fresh off the presses, and they called him back because something went wrong; His Pendulum Monster effects were that counterproductive and self-destructed on him. It's weird, though... The anime versions of those two Pendulum monsters don't retain the "Except DD monsters" in their effect. Though, likely that's just a buff the IRL versions have.I mean, it kinda' sorta' makes sense that the DD Pendulum monsters are basically science experiments, because Darts-Guy using them earlier was basically test driving the mechanic for Reiji to go and replicate.Or at least, the way I saw it.That aside, though...I like how Reiji lost his cool when all of a sudden his field blew up. Like, for a split second he lost his "I'm so cool" persona, and made him look like a total amateur. So it's nice that even the rivals show signs of weakness.Or something like that.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 [spoiler=So we're gonna do this kind of thing now? (Ep. 13 Thoughts] Well that duel was kinda...Meh. Just....meh. Yuya played his standard OTK strategies and Odd-Eyes beatdown tactics, while Reiji had fun spamming all the DDD monsters he could ever want. The thing that I was most surprised was Reiji's surprising snap that showed his true colors. I could understand that if I had 3 copies of a 3k beater and a perfectly added hand of Pendulums. But his reactions to Yuya were very interesting. At first he said Yuya was too naive and nice of a duelist, but I guess at that point when he had the Pendulums retrieved, it feels like his internal sense of superiority and arrogance took over, and Yuya must have been quite shocked from that sudden burst of emotions. So...Reiji reminds me of hotheaded DN people who lose their cool. Of course, the Pendulums mirror the IRL cards effects of reducing the scales per turn, as if it was its own version of a downside cost just like the Covenants. It's somehow symbolic that Reiji makes deals with the devil and demonic powers to obtain true power. It reflects his urgent ambitions to gain power and influence, and by doing so, he loopholes as if he escapes the grasp of God or the Devil's hands immediately. It's as if he's putting on a charade with LDS and having to monopolize all that fall below his power. He's gonna break out in the future, I just know it. For now, Yuya must have been pretty scarred to see him possibly lose his father's legacy as well as to see his opponent crack, the one who had knowledge of his father, said he "respected" him, and berated Yuya's foolish dueling tactics. But towards the end, the conclusions was pretty dull since it didn't go off as surprising or dramatic. It's just...his assistant says somethings wrong and then Reiji becomes emotionless again and leaves. and Yuya towards the end, was more stunned than showing actual fear or depression that he would lose everything. It just...ended without nothing else................MEH. So apparently next episode allows Shuzo to duel Yuya to make him feel better. Of course nearly every duel Yuya has been he's down in the dumps and then back up cheery again, so how will Yuya's troubles and conflicts be presented and solved this time? [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 With regards to Byak's post...[spoiler=Spoiler]Safe to say Reiji is potentially on the verge of a mental breakdown. I mean, it makes sense given that he has this implied pressure to be the very best like no one ever was, and considering his reaction when his stuff malfunctioned, that can't really be good for one's health, since it was a rather drastic change[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 [spoiler=spoiler stuff] Without subs to be sure exactly what Reiji said, I'm fairly sure that Reiji's Pendulums are prototypes, and are flawed in some way. They sort of flickered on his Disk before the scales changed and made them self-destruct. So I'm thinking that whatever technology is in Duel Disks to read cards and reject illegal plays ended up rejecting the prototype cards because the cards themselves couldn't be read properly. Note: Wiki's summary of the Duel mentions that when the cards flickered, their Pendulum effects appeared on the card. This makes me think that Reiji's prototypes didn't properly incorporate how Pendulum effects work. The RL versions seem to incorporate the glitch into their design, but I can't tell if Reiji just didn't have sufficient experience using them and was caught by surprise by their actual effect, or if it was a malfunction and was not actually designed that way. Reiji kind of freaking out REALLY needs subs for me to really have any idea what was going on their. His eyes and tone made me think he was declaring something about how he would master Pendulums at any cost, or something similarly psychotic-determined. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 [spoiler=spoiler] There are two possibilities, I think: One, that Reiji hasn't tested his Pendulum cards out a lot, but given how he seems to be pretty smart and working hard to understand Pendulum Summon, I doubt that. Two: He's tested them plenty, but he hasn't had them out long enough for the scale/halving effect to kick in, ie; He won immediately after Pendulum Summoning each time he used it. Which, given it's Reiji, seems totally possible. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 [spoiler=spoiler] He also took note of the fact that Pendulums go to the Extra once destroyed, having to do it manually.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I bet When Reiji heard the news he was all : "The duel and the buyout are off." And even though the duel ended in a "No Result", Yuya became shocked as Yugi did when he stopped his Celtic Guardian from winning Yugi vs. Kaiba the rematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Spoiler Tags Astro.... USE THEM! Thanks everyone else for using them. I haven't opened any Spoilers as I need to catch up on 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Spoiler Tags Astro.... USE THEM! Thanks everyone else for using them. I haven't opened any Spoilers as I need to catch up on 12. No problem I guess, but I guess this can go on until the subs appear and so on. :) I bet When Reiji heard the news he was all : "The duel and the buyout are off." And even though the duel ended in a "No Result", Yuya became shocked as Yugi did when he stopped his Celtic Guardian from winning Yugi vs. Kaiba the rematch. [spoiler=Errr] Yugi stopped the duel not to finish Kaiba because he didn't want to risk killing Kaiba since Yugi refused to let Kaiba die and not be able to see his brother again as Kaiba is stil a human being. What followed was crying over his personal weakness and helplessness. I wouldn't say that's the same here. Yuya didn't choose his victory because he had to win. Reiji's counterplay totally stops Yuya's strategies, meaning that Yuya would have been scared and would nearly have felt hopeless that his school and his entertainment dueling would be brought down. But a similar sort of reconciliation would occur. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Well, they already released subs in my native language, so I can explain what happened and comment on it: [spoiler='Read']Reiji actually forfeited the duel after receiving those news, meaning You Show technically won their little game. It sounds like a teacher dear to Masumi was hurt - Mariko-Sensei, apparently, so she's most likely a woman, maybe the one who inspired Masumi to follow the path of Fusion. That makes me even more interested in knowing more about Masumi's character. And I do agree with Evilfusion, the fact that they made it (somewhat) ambiguous if Reiji would really have defeated Yuya at least makes it easier to cope with the fact that the duel was interrupted just when he'd have most likely made his winning move. He did say something about the Pendulum Summon still needing to be completed after his momentary breakdown, and that he'll bring forth the next stage on its evolution right before trying to activate his set card. However, I'm inclined to believe that maybe that might've been for the best; now we have something more to look forward to until Yuya and Reiji's next confrontation, instead of just having everything thrown at us right off the bat and being left without any surprises to come. Also, I think you guys are severely underestimating the weight of You Show for Yuya and co., not only for the symbolic reasons that help motivate and guide them, but also for practical reasons: Shuzou most likely doesn't have any other income source besides the duel school itself, so they probably wouldn't be able to recover from that loss - at least not that easily. Which is why that's something I'd rather happen only at the climax of the series or, at least, of the 1st season, at the heroes' darkest hour, as that would increase even more the emotional impact of that event. It'd be also highly unlikely for the gang to accept joining LDS, so your dreams of Yuya and Yuzu enrolling an elite school and getting power-ups is nothing short from an utopia. But seeing as Himika could still threaten to release the police hounds at them - and, I guarantee you, she could do this and much more with all the power Leo Corporation holds in its hands - they'd most likely be force to relinquish the Pendulum cards in order to escape unharmed. Which would lead to an instant game over. Not to mention Reiji's evil mom in that same episode decided that, now that Reji also mastered Pendulum Summon, they didn't need You Show anymore, and would simply get rid of it and their members once they defeated them. And there's a big chance that they'd keep trying to destroy Yuya's father's legacy even if they lost. I just hope that conveniently-timed attack on LDS helps bring the plot forward somehow, instead of serving as a mere excuse for them to interrupt Yuya and Reiji's duel before the latter won. If my theory about the Dark Duelist taking advantage of the absence of the school's best students, as well as its chairwoman and the CEO of the company which owns it, is right, then that decision may get a little more digestible. If, however, they imply the DD did that precisely in order to save Yuya's ass - perhaps even revealing himself to his enemies and cleaning up Tomato Head's name to boot - , somehow knowing what would happen and the exact time those events would take place, then my interest for his character, and the story overall, would raise immensely. The fact that he likely caused a big mess at LDS' headquarters can provide interesting developments to the plot and even some characters, seeing as someone for whom Masumi cares deeply seems to have gotten injured in the process.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 The subs are out, so unless J-Max has caught up recently, I'm going to explain my thoughts now that the subs are up. So I did remember this theory that the Dark Duelist would come up. That was definitely false, and the situation where the Pendulums malfunctioned would have threatened Reiji. But somehow, this new person is mentioned: Professor Marco, who gave Himika and Masumi a scare. Despite Yuya's usual lucksack of cards being topdecked and ensuring himself a win, Reiji's breakout seemed to be more aligned to him definitely wanting to evolve the power of Pendulums. But suddenly this new guy is mentioned, and Reiji immediately forfeits straightforward. It seems like we will not being seeing much of LDS in action, but its likely this Marco person is central to Reiji's personal Pendulums or the welfare of LDS. So when it comes to a possible assault or mishap within LDS, the Dark Duelist is most likely to be in place. As for Yuya, all that is left for him now is for him to admit the fact that Pendulums being gifted to him was the only way he could achieve significance and attention in his duels and finding someone else can do it which would have nearly cost Yuya's victory would definitely make Yuya not only shocked but anxious as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 You probs should've put them in a spoiler just in case anyway. (For other people's benefit) [spoiler=My thoughts on 13 subbed.] One thing that we didn't know about Muffleo from the RAW, is that when he uses his effect, he can't attack that turn, which sounds fair enough imo. It's not surprising that Sora would be the only one to consider that Reiji would bypass taking burn damage after he used Caesar's effect after what happened with the Covenants in the previous episode. The next turn when Reiji said "I'll have you confirm whether or not Pendulum Summoning is unique to you with your own eyes!" it certainly had somewhat of an impact on Yuya because of the fact that even though Shingo Pendulum Summoned during his duel with Yuya, it was with Yuya's monsters, therefore he wanted to prove that Yuya is not the only duelist with Pendulums in their deck. Although it was his first time Pendulum Summoning, Reiji was still learning how the mechanic worked after seeing that Odd-Eyes was sent to the Extra Deck. After seeing Reiji Pendulum Summoning, it's no surprise that Reiji's mum would be thinking that LDS most likely wouldn't need YSDS and would be thinking of 'crushing' them instead. Also given that Yuya is facing the Hell Armageddons for the first time, it's not surprising that Yuya wouldn't have known what effects they'd have when he was formulating his strategy. After his monster's Pendulum scales shrank and their Pendulum effects appeared on the card, Reiji confirmed that the cards were unstable and bangs on that he had seen the possibilities of further evolution in Pendulum Summoning, and then when this Professor Marco is mentioned and giving Himika and Masumi a scare, I was left asking myself what significance he has, although I reckon that this Marco guy might be related to Masumi or something. It's interesting that he forfeited the match to Yuya, especially when we thought that the match ended in a draw when we were watching the episode RAW. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I know. It was like Reiji saying "So sorry we have to bring this game to an early conclusion, you wouldn't have won anyway." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I know. It was like Reiji saying "So sorry we have to bring this game to an early conclusion, you wouldn't have won anyway." [spoiler=Generic response] *facepalm* Thing is though he wasn't aware that his cards were still unstable and when his Pendulum scales shrank, it was something he hadn't planned for. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Yeah, Mariko-sensei was something taken out of the subs I watched, but they might've commited a mistake. So maybe it IS a guy indeed. Nevertheless, I'm actually looking forward to Yuya and Shuzou's duel, if only because it looks like Yuzu's dad is going to use a new FIRE archetype, which is something I've been waiting for since Cosmo Blazer. We also had yet another callback to Kaiba with Reiji summoning 3 copies of his ace monster right on his and Yuya's first duel. It's almost like he's Seto's reincarnation. It's also interesting to note that in Arc-V, unlike the previous series, for the most part, does not shy away from having its characters run multiple copies of their best cards - you know, like anyone who actually knows how to play this game IRL would do. I appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 [spoiler=spoiler] Okay, so the subs gave me some of what I was thinking about already. Reiji demonstrating that he at least is capable of producing and using Pendulums is evidence that LDS doesn't really need the You Show school and would probably just get rid of it if they won. And yeah, Reiji's prototypes were unstable, and the cards produced their own Pendulum effects, again suggesting to me that Reiji's prototypes had not properly integrated the Pendulum effects into the cards. Then again, Reiji probably never directly saw the Pendulum cards and his prototypes were based off what he could gather based on their uses in Yuya's Duels. One of you guys did note that Reiji had to manually add his Pendulums to the Extra Deck, whereas Yuya's does it automatically. So Reiji's understanding of the mechanic is still incomplete. I'm curious what evolutions Pendulum Summoning could still have. The DD Pendulums having a risk to their use is amusingly fitting of the archetypes, as you can't even Pendulum Summon monsters just to Synchro with them/etc, because the Pendulum Scale effect will destroy them in the following turn's Standby Phase,,,just like all of the other risks of the DD cards. At least Reiji left by saying "Eh, you can have the win" rather than just cancelling the Duel. Ultimately, LDS doesn't need the You Show school for Pendulums. Still anti-climactic, but whatever. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Just watched it subbed. [spoiler=Etiquette]I liked the whole thing with Yuya down on the ground level and Reiji above him on the trapeze stand. This action duel thing is working well and being though through. Reiji's breadown was... odd... In fact whole ep was odd really. Although his cards backfiring to save Yuya is... kind of like Yusei Kalin in reverse, in a way. As for the duel being cancelled, well although it was left fairly ambiguous as to why for now, it did look a little more legit of a reason to leave immediately than over current duel stakes than say... killing a known multiple Number Hunter in the next two seconds... because Haruto is having a nightmare... Probably doesn't help the franchise that Kaito and Yuma (eps 13-14) and Reiji and Yuya (eps 12-13) happened at virtually the same time in each series and ended virtually the same way. Makes it seem a little bit more predictable.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I think in terms of spoilers and this thread, it'd be good to do them while only the raw's out since some people like to wait for subs to get the full experience, but once the subs are out, people should know not to look in the thread unless they're caught up. So episode 13 was alright. Kind of an abrupt ending though (wonder what the deal is with "Marcos sensei"). I didn't expect Reiji to be set back like that. I thought it was cool that they made a break in the cool, elite rival-type like that without making him totally goofy like they did for Chazz. Though it is early in the show. But still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I think in terms of spoilers and this thread, it'd be good to do them while only the raw's out since some people like to wait for subs to get the full experience, but once the subs are out, people should know not to look in the thread unless they're caught up. So episode 13 was alright. Kind of an abrupt ending though (wonder what the deal is with "Marcos sensei"). I didn't expect Reiji to be set back like that. I thought it was cool that they made a break in the cool, elite rival-type like that without making him totally goofy like they did for Chazz. Though it is early in the show. But still. This basically. I try to avoid the thread between Raw and subbed, but things happen. I think overall it could have been handled better, but then it could have been much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 目指せジュニアユース選手権！！ Mezase Jyunia Yuusu Senjyuken!! (Aim to be the Junior Youth Champion!!) July 20th, 2014 While he wants to attempt to become a Pro, Yuya isn’t qualified enough to enter the Junior Youth Championship.. And Yuzu still hasn’t recovered from the shock of being defeated by one of the LDS students in the matches against LDS. The two of them… … Outline In order to overcome the heartache he suffered from dueling with Reiji, Yuya, fueled by new feelings, is now aiming to become a Pro Duelist. However, while the gateway to the Pro World, “The Junior Youth Championship”, is nearly at hand, Yuya finds out he’s underqualified to participate. As Yuya hurries to find opponents to Duel, he runs into Nico Smiley who managed Strong Ishijima. On the other hand, Yuzu, still shocked from losing to Masumi. consults with Sora… (Seems interesting, maybe we will see Yuzu Fusion Summon eventually? I was hoping her to actually Synchro Summon considering she plays a Music archetype and Synchro/Tuners and yeah...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (Seems interesting, maybe we will see Yuzu Fusion Summon eventually? I was hoping her to actually Synchro Summon considering she plays a Music archetype and Synchro/Tuners and yeah...) Speaking of the music archetype. It got a name change to "Melodius" in the TCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Idk but I feel like the tournament arc is starting hella early if Yuya's already preparing. At least my hunch about Strong being recurring character material was right. I think by giving Yuzu fusions they're trying to go for something like a choir (singers combining their voice) but you never know, she could always just be asking him how to deal with fusions. I imagine that if Yuya got an upgrade he would get rituals (since tributed pendulums also go to the extra) or Xyz (since the Dark Duelist is a thing and spamming same levels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Sora will probably make it worse. As for Yuya underqualifying, how do you qualify for a tournament like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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