-Dom- Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Gongenzaka is just TOO DAMN MANLY to use puny spells or traps. They are for the weak. Also, considering this is probably the one time X-sabers are going to be in the anime, could they not have been drawn better. Apart from that, awesome duel. EDIT: you know it's intense when Sora drops his lollipop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 To be fair, 4Kids really shouldn't have to deal with the upcoming deaths in Zexal. I mean, the Japanese writers decided it was a genius idea to undo a season's worth of deaths after all the drama was over. What many writers don't understand is that when you casually resurrect a character who was given a melodramatic death, you undermine all the impact that scene had on viewers. The Gundam SEED universe was godawful for that because they killed off characters in the usual Gundam method, then undid them later on or during Destiny by either saying "no, the character just got a scar" or "their cockpit survived" or whatever explanation was given for the Mu La Flaga retcon. The writers for Yu-Gi-Oh! have no respect for the impact of death, and only use it for shock value and fake drama, then reverse it when the problem is solved, making the emotional impact pointless. Yeah, Viper, Godwin, Aporia and Z-ONE died for real, but who cares? Viper was never brought up again because the show switched gears to better things, and the other three died standard villain deaths at the end of their arcs. If 4Kids said "Kaito took a long nap," it would be true since that is basically what he did in both versions. The Barian not-deaths shouldn't need an explanation beyond "they went to the Zexal Shadow Realm." IMO, the problem here is NOT the ressurrections, but the deaths themselves. They clashed so much with the tone the series established for itself up to that point, even taking into account its darkest moments before that "carnage", especially because they included beloved main characters such as Kaito, Shark and Rio, that any sufficiently savvy viewer would've guessed from the get-go that everyone would be brought back. And, frankly, it'd be particularly jarring if they did went through with that "kill'em all!" route in a Yu-Gi-Oh! anime series, which, even at their worst, never dared to go that far (YES, we did have surprisingly high body counts in the Pharaoh's Memories saga back in DM and the original manga, but since all those characters were technically already dead by that point and none of them were exactly protagonists, being introduced in the exact same arc they died, it wasn't as impacting or audacious as it would've been in ZeXal's case). And considering ZeXal was, by far, the most kid-friendly entry in the franchise, such a move would've been even more egregious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 You know what says a lot about Gongenzaka's character?The fact the fucking world shakes whenever he draws a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Holy cow!. Gogenzaka is Joey only better and more MANLY! Rambo, Rocky, Terminator, Robocop: WUSSES COMPARED TOTHIS GUY! Anyway, let's hope Yuzu doesn't wreck the machine like last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 EDIT: you know it's intense when Sora drops his lollipop. ...and it smashed to pieces. What was he eating... ceramic lollipops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 ...and it smashed to pieces. What was he eating... ceramic lollipops? Wow, if that were true, and considering how he easily beat Shingo and his boy posse with only a lollipop stick, as well as his stunts in episode 6, not to mention how he's constantly proving to the other characters along with the audience that there's much more to him than what he lets on, that could mean he's a badass on level much close to, if not higher than Gongenzaka's. I hope should they come to duel each other, the universe doesn't explode from the amount of sheer awesomeness accumulated in such a relatively tiny space XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Gogenzaka....was pretty badass in the duel to be honest. After many episodes not having screentime or having any noteworthy characteristics observed, man did he hold out against Yaiba really well. As evilfusion stated, the anime once again perfectly unabridged the original cards to make XX-Sabers look really OP...Yaiba used his cards correctly as a real XX-Saber would do, but it did cost him that his potential cards were tributed to make room for discarding Gogenzaka's cards. Gogenzaka's Samurai Soul Cards are actually unique in that they can work in the Graveyard, but likely if Gogenzaka was planning to use those as a backup to protect Big Benkei, what was his initial method of sending them to the Graveyard, if he has to avoid the method of using S/Ts to mill them? And for that aspect, it's weird of him to act in Action Duels where the specialty is....using Action Cards to change the outcome of a duel. So as a matter of a fact, Yaiba could have won if he didn't use Gottoms x3 effects, but I guess it's natural nature to do that with Sabers. Nevertheless Gogenzaka remained confident and unafraid since Yaiba did everything in his power to spam the crap out of XX-Sabers, and frankly an OTK strategy like that is bound to round up wins easily in the anime universe. Manly man title defended indeed. On the minor note, when I see the subs, I am going to find out the reason why Sora had to drop that glass lollipop if he was that intrigued or discerned. And from the looks of the previews, Reiji actually looks pretty energetic and dashing throughout the Action Duel. And it appears that Reiji uses DDD after all, but the question is, is it the same as the manga reveals *clicks tongue* or naw? But probably the amazing aspect would probably result in Reiji's cards turning into Pendulums, cause that's one possible outcome. I wouldn't mind if Yuya loses this one, but I think Reiji himself may be ambivalent to the whol You Show taking over thing. We'll see, since Yuya + Glasses means he's quite nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Honestly, I just find it absolutely hilarious as to how the entire duel was basically showcasing how frigging stupid Faultroll is as a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 The theory I thought was generally accepted is that after the tied duel, one more duel would decide the outcome of it all, but I have my doubts about this now. Mainly because of Yuya's strange reaction. One would expect him to fire up and ready himself for the duel. Then why did he put on his glasses as sign of depression? Something else is going on here that we evidently need subs for. Noboru was cool indeed. Definitely broke out of just being a filler character by not losing an important duel. Although I somewhat consider those plot device cards at the end, I still overall liked the duel. Though Sora's scene at the end is to me what's more intriguing to think about. Evidently Sora has had all this conflict within his calculations. What were said calculations? Well he sure didn't know who the Fusion user was before the actual start of the duel, even though he knew the duel with Yuzu was over before anyone else. Does that mean he has way too much pride and hope in the Fusion mechanic? That seems to be the most reasonable assumption as of now. I technically could get some whacky "he came from the future" theory, but if he didn't know the duelists to detail, then that is moot unless they are adding some sort of butterfly effect to it all. At the same time, Sora's comments on the Xyz user probably just referred to his pre-fabricated set of moves that only consisted on bringing out Pleiades and not really depending on anything else. After all, as much as Xyzs can be the most disruptive and power-creeped of the Summoning methods, Constellars themselves are 100% dependent on their Xyzs which for the most part are of a certain Rank to follow. More "stiff" than the other LDS players, if you will... Though I suppose this is arguable reasoning at best from my part..... There's also the theory that Sora is secretly working for LDS and expected the Synchro round victory to be a piece of cake. After all, with careful thought, I can see how Pendulum Scale effects can be made to help virtually all previous forms of Summoning methods, in Sora's case, allowing him to have bigger Main Deck Fusion Materials that can make a difference on their own other than just being gates for the Fusion bosses, as well as, say, some Pendulum effect along the lines of a Miracle Fusion targeting materials that fit the scales or something like that. Just an example of how it can be in everyone's interest to explore such a mechanic. To be honest, I want Reiji to win this one. It is evident that nobody really cares about Shingo's issue anymore, so that loss will be meaningful. We know the consequences and I think the characters can cope with it. A few meaningful loses throughout a main character's career are good to prevent a Yusei from happening. We know nobody is gonna die so it's fine. Though too bad about Yuya's dad's "doctrine" being absorbed and thrown out the window by LDS. At the same time, all characters could even get a boost in their decks, and I'm not with Yuma at all on how he doesn't want anybody else to get Pendulums, including his friends. It'll be a bigger slap on the face for him than what Shingo did to him once Yuya saw him Pendulum Summon successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 To be honest, I want Reiji to win this one. It is evident that nobody really cares about Shingo's issue anymore, so that loss will be meaningful. We know the consequences and I think the characters can cope with it. A few meaningful loses throughout a main character's career are good to prevent a Yusei from happening. We know nobody is gonna die so it's fine. Though too bad about Yuya's dad's "doctrine" being absorbed and thrown out the window by LDS. At the same time, all characters could even get a boost in their decks, and I'm not with Yuma at all on how he doesn't want anybody else to get Pendulums, including his friends. It'll be a bigger slap on the face for him than what Shingo did to him once Yuya saw him Pendulum Summon successfully. Yeah, I'd prefer if Reiji won that, but I doubt You Show will really be incorporated to LDS. Probably Reiji won't go through with the wager and leave them alone, taking advantage of the fact that, officially, he holds a higher post inside Leo Corporation than his mother (though she most likely won't let him get away with that). Or maybe he'll lose on purpose for some reason. If that's the case, then I'd love to see Himika scolding and maybe physically punishing him for his independent attitude. I'd add another interesting layer to Reiji's character: in spite of being one of the smartest and most powerful men in the world, deep inside, he's still little boy desperately striving for his parental figure's love and approval. I know it sounds a bit cliché nowadays, but we never had something like that happen to any of the previous antagonists/rivals with an abusive parent in YGO, as far as I can recall: Kaiba simply despised his adoptive dad - or, as he preferred to refer to him as, "stepfather" - Gozaburo; Kaito may have loved Dr. Faker a long time ago, but by the time the series takes place, he feels nothing but distrust and hatred towards him, even coming so far as to call him "The Devil" (at least until the man reformed himself at the end of Season 1); and while Duke/Otogi's relationship with his father in the original manga would fit this description perfectly, it was only relevant for a single, minor arc, which, during the transition from the manga to the anime, was heavily altered, to the point of scrapping Otogi's original motivation entirely in favor of a new plotline. In Arc-V's case, we'd not only have such a relationship take a central role in the series' plot development, but also, for the first time, depict both a woman being a (notably) abusive parent AND a mother playing a major role in a series' storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 And it appears that Reiji uses DDD after all, but the question is, is it the same as the manga reveals *clicks tongue* or naw? They'll be the ones that were revealed last week or something in the Raging Masters set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 After watching the first two Episodes, I can give a decent enough thought of what I liked and disliked thus far. 2 Minutes in and I was already hooked. Being able to interact with your monsters and even ride them (in the case of Entermate Hippo) was fantastic. Also Action Duelling is much better then facing each other and Duelling (I don't think I can watch the previous Series of YGO anymore because of this). Also there was a lot of Duelling going on with not much in the way of talking and Flashbacks which kept me glued to my seat. The Main Character is easily one of my favorite Protaganists (followed closely by Yugi) as he has a don't care attitude and he is in in for the Duel and to have fun (He is also doing it for his Dad of course) As for the negatives? My biggest problem is with the Action Cards. Yes, it gives the players a reason to run around the field, but it started to feel like Pokemon at times with monsters dodging other monsters merely because of a Card Effect. Also the Pendulum Summon at the end of Episode 1 was a serious cop out. Ending with a OTK in Episode 2. As I thought, Pendulum Summoning really is broken in the sense of things. Most of the other characters are also enjoyable (Apart from the announcer who I hate with a passion lol) I will definately be watching more of this as I haven't been this into a Yugioh series since the Yubel Season of GX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 After watching the first two Episodes, I can give a decent enough thought of what I liked and disliked thus far. 2 Minutes in and I was already hooked. Being able to interact with your monsters and even ride them (in the case of Entermate Hippo) was fantastic. Also Action Duelling is much better then facing each other and Duelling (I don't think I can watch the previous Series of YGO anymore because of this). Also there was a lot of Duelling going on with not much in the way of talking and Flashbacks which kept me glued to my seat. The Main Character is easily one of my favorite Protaganists (followed closely by Yugi) as he has a don't care attitude and he is in in for the Duel and to have fun (He is also doing it for his Dad of course) As for the negatives? My biggest problem is with the Action Cards. Yes, it gives the players a reason to run around the field, but it started to feel like Pokemon at times with monsters dodging other monsters merely because of a Card Effect. Also the Pendulum Summon at the end of Episode 1 was a serious cop out. Ending with a OTK in Episode 2. As I thought, Pendulum Summoning really is broken in the sense of things. Most of the other characters are also enjoyable (Apart from the announcer who I hate with a passion lol) I will definately be watching more of this as I haven't been this into a Yugioh series since the Yubel Season of GX. Yeah Action Cards are pretty much BS outs out of nowhere. At least there have been a couple good points about them up until now, which you'll eventually see: -They are not too over-used so far thanks to the interaction of players stopping each other from getting them. -They offer an excuse to use certain effects during different timings than a normal duel would use, depending on how close players are to them. -They aren't always a benefit to get. -They work as a sort of situational Spell/Trap effect that otherwise one wouldn't main in a deck. -They make-up in a way for how IRL duels always seem to keep lots of advantage from meta plays. Since so far Yuya's deck is not really good enough to make a flashy play without losing his entire hand, that's probably the closest they can go to recreate a scenario where he still would have a chance after a field wipe from your opponent's attacks. Or at least that's how I look at it. -The opponents have as much of a chance to use them, and you'll find out that Strong is mostly the only opponent that got to face that many Action Spells without using more or less the same amount himself. Also, you'll find that the duels are a bit too much on the simple side, with a somewhat boring "Hippo turn end" start. At least on the first episodes since early series often serves as a tutorial. Hopefully you catch up soon. We are at around episode 10 if I'm not mistaken, and I'm trying to not include actual spoilers in my post xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Thank you for the No Spoilers ^^ I am currently on Episode 7 as I type this. Yeah, you are right about the Action Cards, seems there is Negative Trap cards and he opponent can just take them anyway. From what I have seen of Yuya, he seems to be a bit of a crybay at times. He starts losing? He gets all Goggles Down and Emo... The moment he starts winning? (In this case finding out his Odd Eyes was in the Extra Deck instead of the Grave) He gets all happy and "Yeah! I am going to entertain everyone!" I did feel sorry for him when Odd Eyes was destroyed though.... Also his father has taught him a really touching Motto. To laugh even when you are feeling sad. Yuya can be a bit of a Clown at times but he has the passion for Duelling (Still surprised that no-one knew about Fusion monsters until Teddy Scissors was summoned) Going to enjoy Episode 7 now, looks like there is a big rivalry brewing between Yuya and Sawatari. EDIT: Just watched E7. Sawatari's beating was brutal! But yeah, I am starting to get that vibe now that LDS is obviosuly the big bad company (ala Industrial Illusions) and will be after Yuya's Pendulum cards for most of the series while throwing different Duelists at him to try and get said cards..... I dunno, its starting to feel a bit shall we say pedestrian now? EDIT 2: Now I am up to 10, the latest on the Anime Stie I stream from that has Subs. What on earth happened to Yuzu? Was her mind so focused on the other Yuya that she was crushed? It literally lasted half an episode..... ALso now I want to try out a X-Saber Deck.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 That was a beautiful sunrise. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go empty my life savings on X-Sabers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 To be fair, Ygo deaths are not as gruesome as Gundam deaths. One guy pulled out his dad's severed arm. Can't wait to see who dies in Arc-V. Well, we've already established that in our discussion. No-one will die. There might be one person near the end who 'dies', but it doesn't matter, because we can revive them through the magical power of Dues-Ex-Machina! I've been quite rightly pillored for this in the past. Dying shouldn't be done to a mass extent in what is a kid's show after all, because that cheapens the effect of when a beloved character that veiwers are attached to does die heroically once in a while. What cheapens it even more is when they are revived none the worse a few episodes later. It just kinda... makes a mockery of death, you know? Kinda makes you wonder what happens in the event of a tie. ... no it doesn't. Based on context, they were going to have Yuya (the winner of his match) face Masumi (winner of LDS' match). Hokuto and Yuzu lost, and a draw counts in this case as both players losing. So Yuya and Masumi were the surviving players and needed an outcome. But Reiji stepped in, probably stating that he would be the opponent against Yuya. I'm not really surprised it was a draw, but holy hell, that Duel was intense. X-Sabers look like the most powerful Deck ever. Spamspamspamspam. He means in the event of Yuya Reiji ending a tie. <_< Subs are now up, and what was pretty much what Himiki suggested. And yes, it was a pretty intense duel is the best way of describing it. Damn Barty for predicting the whole draw thing. No actually, damn whoever gave it away as obvious by announcing Big Bang early FFS! It would have been a really wtf happens now ending had we not already seen it coming after that. Good ep though. Really good. Gogenzaka....was pretty badass in the duel to be honest. After many episodes not having screentime or having any noteworthy characteristics observed, man did he hold out against Yaiba really well. As evilfusion stated, the anime once again perfectly unabridged the original cards to make XX-Sabers look really OP...Yaiba used his cards correctly as a real XX-Saber would do, but it did cost him that his potential cards were tributed to make room for discarding Gogenzaka's cards. Gogenzaka's Samurai Soul Cards are actually unique in that they can work in the Graveyard, but likely if Gogenzaka was planning to use those as a backup to protect Big Benkei, what was his initial method of sending them to the Graveyard, if he has to avoid the method of using S/Ts to mill them? And for that aspect, it's weird of him to act in Action Duels where the specialty is....using Action Cards to change the outcome of a duel. So as a matter of a fact, Yaiba could have won if he didn't use Gottoms x3 effects, but I guess it's natural nature to do that with Sabers. Nevertheless Gogenzaka remained confident and unafraid since Yaiba did everything in his power to spam the crap out of XX-Sabers, and frankly an OTK strategy like that is bound to round up wins easily in the anime universe. Manly man title defended indeed. Yaiba saw Gogenzaka use Fire Armour's effect from his hand to defend Benkei, and quite fairly assumed that's what all the Superheavy's did and thought 'heh heh, I've got the perfect counter for this...' So although it did cost him, you can't really blame him at all. Kinda found Meteorain's inclusion in the duel a bit underwhelming, but other than that was all good. Three cheers for the man Gogenzaka and his steadfast duel! Thank you for the No Spoilers ^^ EDIT 2: Now I am up to 10, the latest on the Anime Stie I stream from that has Subs. What on earth happened to Yuzu? Was her mind so focused on the other Yuya that she was crushed? It literally lasted half an episode..... ALso now I want to try out a X-Saber Deck.... The knowledge gaps come from their teacher... um... not being the most knowledgable himself shall we say. Also, Yuzu was so mentally messed up she didn't realise the Action card was being reflected in the gold pillars and went for the reflection by mistake. Final thoughts on this and the next ep: Dunno why they've got to have the final duel in that stupid playroom environment, but then Reiji smiles in the preview? Eh? Ok? He is a fairly unique character so far. Also, Sora dropping his lollipop at the thought on Gogenzaka winning... Ominous... It's almost as if he didn't want You Show to win :mellow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 lol Sora dropping his Lollipop was more out of shock then anything. Come on..... He was expecting the whole time for Synchro to win as Gorgenzaka had nothing but monster cards in his Deck. Also all that Gor knew how to do was Release Summon so obviously Sora would be shocked at how much Gor was keeping up even by literally standing still the entire time and taking it like a Boss. Yuya vs Reiji is looking to be a great Duel but why do I feel like its going to be the usual.... Yuya gets beaten to near 0 Life Points, he puts down his Goggles and sulks for a while and then he pulls a new Entermate to secure a win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Maybe Sora's neither affiliated with You Show or Leo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Maybe Sora's neither affiliated with You Show or Leo. Uh... he enrolled at You Show, therefore I'm pretty sure he's affiliated with them doofus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Uh... he enrolled at You Show, therefore I'm pretty sure he's affiliated with them doofus. He's technically affiliated with them but he could just be observing Yuya like someone said he was observing the LDS duelists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 He's technically affiliated with them but he could just be observing Yuya like someone said he was observing the LDS duelists. I thought that after Sora had lost that Yuya agreed to at least have him as a friend. I could have sworn the Headmaster ran to get some forms for Sora to fill in though.... Well whatever happens we know that Sora was genuinely shocked. Poor Lollipop.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 He's technically affiliated with them but he could just be observing Yuya like someone said he was observing the LDS duelists. Pretty sure he filled in for.. owait J-Max said what I was gonna say... oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Maybe he's affiliated with... you know let's stop theorizing for now and let things play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Maybe he's affiliated with... you know let's stop theorizing for now and let things play out. Wait, what? Are you talking about Sora? Sora joined up to You Yo School. You really think Sora is with LDS? Well there is a small posibility that Sora is a Mole for LDS but I dunno.... He seems really fond of Yuya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Wait, what? Are you talking about Sora? Sora joined up to You Yo School. You really think Sora is with LDS? Well there is a small posibility that Sora is a Mole for LDS but I dunno.... He seems really fond of Yuya. Well Sora said he hadn't been to LDS, buuttt.... you never know, he could've been lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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