Yu-Gi-Oh! Arc-V

[The Warden]

Yes it is incredibly simple to put 2 and 2 together; which is why we ALL put 2 and 2 together. Just because we didn't say Yuzu was going to lose, which was highly obvious, doesn't mean we didn't know Yuzu was going to lose, because it was obvious.

[evilfusion]

You know, you guys could at least pretend to be amazed about how accurate my predictions were. After reading the articles for episodes 9 and 10, and learning from the Yugioh plot formula it was actually simple to put two and two together.

 

Why would we pretend to be amazed? You just said that what you did isn't difficult to do, and indeed, we ALL KNEW it would happen. It was even mentioned above that Yu-Gi-Oh tends to love the "down to the last match" dramatic device. Since Yuya won his round, and there's definitely going to be 3 rounds, obviously round 2 will be a loss.

 

And the episode summary said Yuzu misplays due to having doubts or whatever. Of course that'll cost her the Duel under these circumstances.

 

If you predicted something that was actually a TWIST or something unexpected, or theorized something that turned out to be true...like the enormously long Zexal discussion about Nasch's identity prior to the reveal, or the predictions of ZONE's identity in 5Ds (anti-climax reveal notwithstanding)...that would be impressive, or at least noteworthy.

 

Simply "predicting" character X will lose a Duel in a situation where they are obviously being set-up to lose the Duel is not impressive and we can't be bothered pretending otherwise.

[Βyakuya]

Well Yuzu's duel was pretty briefer than I expected. Masumi did an honest good job holding out a good strategy against Yuzu at the lost of some Life Points, but since Yuzu's only best thing she can do is overwhelm the field with Fantasia monsters. But something to wonder: If Yuzu had 6 cards at the start of her turn, she first used Solo: First Movement to get Aria, then getting Sonata with her effect and getting Prodigy Mozart, reducing her hand to 3, and then to 2 with the summon of Canon via Mozart's effect. So...if Canon's SS effect isn't applicable in the anime, it would make sense, but if she did then summoning another Fantasia monster via her hand or at least having a possible backrow for it would be nice, and at that time Fragment Fusion would only be able to Summon something like Prismaura, which is something Yuzu can surpass. But this is Gem Knights, so Masumi could do whatever. In the end Yuzu lost cause she never saw it coming nor was prepared.

 

Which is what makes me love Arc V. At the very least likee what evilfusion stated, these duelists actually have a good amount of skill proven by the use of good cards and critical tactics instead of arrogance clouding over the truth that their cards are weak. And of course, this enhances the suspense after every duel since practically you can think about the possibilities each character can do. On the side of You Show or LDS, every duel for me is an entertainment duel. It's a shame they waited this long to get Duel Terminal cards in popularity to to have some sales boosts.

 

Anyways back to analysis, I found Yuzu's struggle to get an Action card to save her seemed a  bit symbolic. She let her visions and hallucinations of what she worries about clouds her from the truth like a mirage. Well, much more like how light shines through a prism and reflects onto other surfaces. But then it was Yuzu's fault for not trying to experiment the Action Field characteristics and letting her worries cloud her.

[Sleepy]

Some awesome comments in this page. Rather than repeat stuff, I'll just like those comments.

 

Apart from what's already been said, I was sooooo hyped up about just the fact Synchros would appear again. I need to repeat that turn a few more times.

The show goes right to business. I expected them to dedicate this episode to Yuzu's duel, and since we already knew what the outcome would be, I was just in for the Fusion showcasing moves. Who would have thought Yuzu would lose after just one of her turns though? Then what I thought I'd need to wait a week for was finally presented in the last third.

 

Does anyone know why Sora decided to sit this one out? I can probably imagine him saying the last 2 duels were too "boring" for him, though something's off. There were no surprise reactions from anyone. Nothing to Sora for being lazy, nothing to Noboru for not belonging to the school and still butting in anyway, nothing but a smile from Yuya, so it can't be THAT. I'm a bit confused.

 

Well, at least Noboru will have a chance to shine. Throughout the show I have seen him as no better than Tetsuo (fat skating kid from ZeXal), and looking at how he doesn't believe in action duels (according to some description I read about him once when the series was announced) or how his style seems to be a bunch of walls with Total Defense Shogun's effect splashed in, it really didn't help me to bring him out of the idea that he's a filler character in the sidelines. I'll just keep watching and see what I get out of him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the other topic:
Why would anyone care about the dub stopping?

-It's heavily censored, which often heavily hurts the plot.

-It often suffers from over-acted voices and inserted unnecessary and obnoxious captain obvious thoughts from the main characters during duels for the audience to listen to.

-It doesn't even bother finishing up the dubs? (GX? We wanna get 5Ds ASAP so screw that, 5Ds? We wanna get ZeXal ASAP so screw that, ZeXal? We went under so nevermind, nobody wants to pick up our terribly handled project and nobody has time to start from episode 1 due to the nature of the show anyways).

 

and the more the fans grow, and the more the franchise drifts away from the immensely popular "it's everywhere and everyone plays it" fame from the early 2000s towards being secluded to it's own hard-core collectors and competitive players, the less someone will actually care about the dub.

[Βyakuya]

Some awesome comments in this page. Rather than repeat stuff, I'll just like those comments.

 

Apart from what's already been said, I was sooooo hyped up about just the fact Synchros would appear again. I need to repeat that turn a few more times.

The show goes right to business. I expected them to dedicate this episode to Yuzu's duel, and since we already knew what the outcome would be, I was just in for the Fusion showcasing moves. Who would have thought Yuzu would lose after just one of her turns though? Then what I thought I'd need to wait a week for was finally presented in the last third.

On the other topic:
Why would anyone care about the dub stopping?

-It's heavily censored, which often heavily hurts the plot.

-It often suffers from over-acted voices and inserted unnecessary and obnoxious captain obvious thoughts from the main characters during duels for the audience to listen to.

-It doesn't even bother finishing up the dubs? (GX? We wanna get 5Ds ASAP so screw that, 5Ds? We wanna get ZeXal ASAP so screw that, ZeXal? We went under so nevermind, nobody wants to pick up our terribly handled project and nobody has time to start from episode 1 due to the nature of the show anyways).

 

and the more the fans grow, and the more the franchise drifts away from the immensely popular "it's everywhere and everyone plays it" fame from the early 2000s towards being secluded to it's own hard-core collectors and competitive players, the less someone will actually care about the dub.

 

Because Astro Dude here is the only person here who actually gives a flying f**k.

[evilfusion]

Without having subs for this episode yet (obviously), my hunch based on context is that Sora really wanted to Duel Masumi because she's a Fusion user like him, but she Dueled Yuzu instead. Therefore, he's not as interested in Dueling against a Synchro user. I wouldn't say that the Duels were "boring" for him. He wasn't really impressed by Hokuto, probably viewing him as predictable and Yuya's serious style as boring, but he perked up when Yuya finished the Duel.

 

He seemed kind of surprised and disappointed when he realized Masumi was the Fusion user, and Yuzu was Dueling her. He seemed genuinely interested in Masumi's plays, and I picked up a vibe of admiration (not for her, but for her cards and plays). So yeah...he likes Fusion. And since he won't face a Fusion user, he's not interested.

[Astro Dude]

Because Astro Dude here is the only person here who actually gives a flying f**k.

Language. Also, I'm a fan of dubs. You gonna sue me, Cause I have team Wright on standby.

 

Besides, if anyone bothers to check the Sailor Moon thread they would know with the redub everything will be portrayed as it was if DiC didn't meddle. There will be blood, swearing, fanservice, not to mention Zoicite and Fish Eye will be men.

 

So not all dubs are bad, most of them are just trying to appeal to children and their concerned parents. But we're getting off topic. It kinda looks like Noboru can actually pull off a win.

[evilfusion]

Language. Also, I'm a fan of dubs. You gonna sue me, Cause I have team Wright on standby.

 

Besides, if anyone bothers to check the Sailor Moon thread they would know with the redub everything will be portrayed as it was if DiC didn't meddle. There will be blood, swearing, fanservice, not to mention Zoicite and Fish Eye will be men.

 

So not all dubs are bad, most of them are just trying to appeal to children and their concerned parents. But we're getting off topic. It kinda looks like Noboru can actually pull off a win.

 

I can agree that not all dubs are bad. But there's a history of Yu-Gi-Oh dubs not falling anywhere close to the "good dub" line, and each series that got dubbed got handled in a progressively worse manner.

 

The original series was actually pretty good, censorship notwithstanding. GX was also fairly good, though it started to get really weird when trying to dodge character death issues. I saw a few dubbed 5Ds episodes and they weren't too horrible, but I started watching the subbed episodes, and they blew the dub out of the water so much that I never went back to the dub, and is the reason I only watch Yugioh subbed now. And Zexal's dub makes my ears bleed. What they were thinking with Yuma's voice actor when he's the character that talks the MOST, I'll never know.

 

Also...yeah, we know he'll win. We don't really know much about his cards at this time, other than his archetype, but I actually expect this Duel to be really good.

[Βyakuya]

Well Gogenzaka has to shine in this duel, otherwise I'd best think of him as a lesser character. But pretty much it's XX-Sabers versus Heavyweight Samurais, which is swarming offense versus a tight defense line. Eventually Yaiba would probably use either Sousa or Gottom's effect by tributing an Xx-Saber, meaning he can pressure Gogenzaka by hand destruction or bursting through his tight defenses easily. But if anything Gogenzaka will use Ten B-N to get Big Ben Kei and then probably would use Big Bang later to assure Yaiba wouldn't get away with something like Sousa.

[-Dom-]

^This. Just...this(pointed at evilfusion's comment). I first got into the dubs to finish GX when the dub refused to do a series 4, and really  enjoyed it; ended up actually going back to the 5Ds dub which was good (except, of course, Jack's voice) and then finished that in sub version as well, though it dragged on a bit. Then Zexal was just it for me, as evilfusion said: Yuma's voice was physically painful to listen to. I'll probably try the Arc - V dub, but give up because I'll be so far ahead by then.

 

About the actual show: does  anyone see LDS as the bad guys for the first arc (like Heartland or the Shadow Riders or in 5Ds just the competition to face Jack) before they move into the darker, more dramatic stuff with the Shadow Duelist? There would always be an excuse for good duelists with shady motivations, and I don't see how they're introducing more Pendulums without Leo Corp. making them so...discuss?

[Toffee.]

You know, as far as the Ygo dubs go....
The 1st series wasn't that bad. Yami stayed serious due to Dan Green and typically the rest of the cast followed along.
GX' dub was over-the-top in general; This only really conflicted with things, when they wanted to develop characters.
The 5D's dub tried to be somewhere between GX and the 1st series. Despite the fact 5D's, as a whole, was rather dark, this never really worked when they dubbed it. Case in point, 5D's had a lot of death scenes, and they were ultimately botched up and the seriousness never followed through. Though to be fair, they kinda' had to water it down.
ZeXal, at least 80% of the time, was literally the style of something you would expect. So when they dubbed it, with the expected shenanigans, it never really went anywhere, and just made everything annoying.
Arc-V... We have yet to see Arc-V's dub.

[Just Crouton]

Arc-V made X-Sabers look like the greatest thing ever...years after they were the greatest thing ever.

[Blake]

Arc-V made X-Sabers look like the greatest thing ever...years after they were the greatest thing ever.

The animation was even worse than average Cardfight animation, though.

Like, Constellars and Gem-Knights looked fine, but holy s*** Sabers looked lazily drawn as f***.
 

 

Soza looks like he has mental issues and his torso is way too small for his lower half.

 

Faultroll has an upside down hand.

 

It just has multiple quirks that make no sense given how good the previous archetypes looked.

[Just Crouton]

The animation was even worse than average Cardfight animation, though.

Like, Constellars and Gem-Knights looked fine, but holy s*** Sabers looked lazily drawn as f***.
 

 

Soza looks like he has mental issues and his torso is way too small for his lower half.

 

Faultroll has an upside down hand.

 

It just has multiple quirks that make no sense given how good the previous archetypes looked.

 

The X-Sabers looked very 5D's era-ish. It might be a reference to how uninspiring the monsters (generally the one-offs) from that era looked outside of stock footage and their card art.

 

They made been trying to match the art styles with the eras their game mechanics were emphasized, like matches how the fusion summon scene resembled the ones from GX, and the Synchro summon resembled the 5D's ones.

[Aerion Brightflame]

I actually think that it's going to be a draw. 

 

Like... they release a card that specifically burns both players for what is presumably going to be burn for the total attack of whatever monsters each player controls. I mean, it's not a bad assumption to make when it looks like a last resort card. 

 

And given the previews for the episodes after, a draw technically isn't out of the question. 

[Βyakuya]

Well even if a draw is likely to happen, that would mean that since the bet has yet to come to a proper resolution, Yuya has to fight against Reiji following Gogenzaka's duel. According to the wiki, it appears that something will happen.....maybe a twist of events or another similar occurrence when Yuya got his Pendulum monsters.

[Astro Dude]

Not to mention if it is a draw then the duel between Yuya and Reiji will in fact be the decider.

 

Maybe those other bad guys will make an appearance afterward and among them will be the Yuya Imposter.

[~British Soul~]

The fact that Yuya and Reiji will duel after Noboru/Yaiba's duel is finished does put fuel on the fire that their duel will end in a draw.

 

Oh, btw guys, the sub is now available for our viewing pleasure.

 

- Will leave thoughts on the sub after I have finished watching it -

[Βyakuya]

Not to mention if it is a draw then the duel between Yuya and Reiji will in fact be the decider.

 

Maybe those other bad guys will make an appearance afterward and among them will be the Yuya Imposter.

 

We might see those student representatives again later on. Maybe they will or will not duel, but what you said afterward is M. Night Shaymalan material-type stupid.

[Mugendramon]

I actually think that it's going to be a draw. 

 

Like... they release a card that specifically burns both players for what is presumably going to be burn for the total attack of whatever monsters each player controls. I mean, it's not a bad assumption to make when it looks like a last resort card. 

 

And given the previews for the episodes after, a draw technically isn't out of the question. 

 

 

You can target 1 "Superheavy Samurai" monster you control; equip this monster from your hand or your side of the field to that target. It gains 1000 DEF. During either player's Battle Phase, when your opponent activates a card or effect while you control a "Superheavy Samurai" monster in face-up Defense Position: You can banish this card from your Graveyard; negate the activation, and if you do, destroy it, then destroy all monsters on the field, and if you do, inflict 1000 damage to both players. (This is a Quick Effect.)

 

welp

[evilfusion]

...huh...that does give credibility to a draw. It seems like a bit of a cop-out, though, particularly because I'm hoping that Reiji wins his Duel with Yuya. We don't really know the terms of the Duel they'll have, but I'm hoping that Reiji has an objective unrelated to taking over the You Show school.

 

And if the revealed DD cards are any indication, it's possible Reiji either uses Pendulum monsters himself, or acquires them during the Duel with Yuya. If manga Reiji uses DD cards, and the revealed ones in the upcoming pack are completely different, then they're probably the anime counterparts.

[Azuh]

Oh man, I was so happy to see Synchro Summoning again! I missed that sequence, plus the whole Summoning Chant thing

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Just watched ep 10, and...

 

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.... damn, why did I come here? I hadn't even considered a draw between X-Sabers and the man Gongenzaka :(

 

Well, I suppose that is the best plot-line for not-really-a-conclusion-and-sets-up-Yuya-Reiji, but still, that would have been good to find out when it happens (and it might not).

 

Back to comments on ep 10... wasn't as good as I hoped after getting so hyped. Just small things really, stuff I can't really put my finger on. Like Yuzu going for the action card and just not seeing it right in the crystal because of distraction... I dunno about that being what cost her in the end. It might be best as it was and help confirm LDS are stronger than her being, let's say: too distracted to activate a Mirror Force for example and her only losing/LDS only winning because of that. At least an Action Card might have saved her or might not, but did make Masumi strong and do its job with the distraction thing. Yeah, it wasn't an obvious/costly misplay like the example I made, but probably better that way.

 

I dunno, maybe I'm being really picky as expectations are high now. Just think things weren't as good as I was hoping for. Sora for example didn't really do as well as I thought in his interactions. Also, Himiki should never do the action duel build-up preamble. Ever.

 

However: Masumi's character was good though, and she played really well (and hooray for no awful GK support). Yuzu's thoughts and interactions were good, and all the doubt and questions and stuff; it feels like pretty deep stuff for so early in the show. Now it's all up to the man Gongenzaka! Start to the duel is promising, (although as Black highlighted, wtf with the awful artwork on Souza? There's paying homage to old shows, but fuck me no-one should ever draw that badly out of proportion on purpose for any reason).

[Astro Dude]

Of course. I bet at the end, in the hospital Reiji will confront Shingo about his "injuries" and his mom will be there too. Here's how I see it:

 

Shingo: "It's a miracle, I can move my arm again!"

Reiji's mom: "Oh it will be a miracle Shingo, if you survive what we have in store for you!"

Reiji: "Yuya will be our ally against the dark forces so he and his friends are off limits."

 

And there will probably be an episode where Yuya duels Masuri as payback for Yuzu.

[Βyakuya]

Of course. I bet at the end, in the hospital Reiji will confront Shingo about his "injuries" and his mom will be there too. Here's how I see it:

 

Shingo: "It's a miracle, I can move my arm again!"

Reiji's mom: "Oh it will be a miracle Shingo, if you survive what we have in store for you!"

Reiji: "Yuya will be our ally against the dark forces so he and his friends are off limits."

 

And there will probably be an episode where Yuya duels Masuri as payback for Yuzu.

 

It's very likely that Reiji and Himika knew about Sawatari's fake injuries. And even if they didn't, their eyes are on Yuya, his ability to Pendulum Summon, how he got them, and his relationship to Yusho/His dad. Why would they pay attention back to Sawatari for? Well we don't know what's going to happen during Reiji vs Yuya, but for sure there is definitely no plot advancement if they suddenly pay attention to Sawatari. Besides, Reiji is on the opposite side of Yuya's, so why even bother saying he's an ally against some "dark force" you say is supposed to happen? There isn't even one yet...

 

And about the Masumi vs Yuya duel....errr..........10% chance of happening really. Again, not that critical for a plot point but more ofa filler-ish thing...and I dunno the context around it either...did it look like Yuya got so pissed off that Yuzu lost or something?

 

I get the feeling that you're just "predicting" whatever fantasies come into your head and make a bogus wishlist on this thread without considering the main plotline or actual concurrent character traits and problems.