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People yelling at Yuzu for preventing the Yuu merge to happen, people yelling at Yuzu for not helping Yuya duel, people being mad due to the misleading preview and saying arc-v is ruined, people insisting the writers ruined Yuzu and the other female characters' characterization, and the complaints for the Synchro Arc reaching its climax, basically.

 

 

Usual stuff, but the overreaction this time is pretty intense.

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People yelling at Yuzu for preventing the Yuu merge to happen, people yelling at Yuzu for not helping Yuya duel, people being mad due to the misleading preview and saying arc-v is ruined, people insisting the writers ruined Yuzu and the other female characters' characterization, and the complaints for the Synchro Arc reaching its climax, basically.

 

 

Usual stuff, but the overreaction this time is pretty intense.

 

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While I feel that Yuzu preventing the Yu-merge was anti-climactic, it's too early for it to happen. Yuri's dragon JUST got revealed, so they can't remove Yuri from the story. But now we more or less have it confirmed that the Yus are intended to merge at some point.

 

Yuzu can't have helped with the Duel. She doesn't have a Disk anymore, probably because it'd have attracted attention underground. The fact she rushed to try to help Yuya is a GOOD characterization.

 

I'm more confused about what happened to Yugo.

 

 

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While I feel that Yuzu preventing the Yu-merge was anti-climactic, it's too early for it to happen. Yuri's dragon JUST got revealed, so they can't remove Yuri from the story. But now we more or less have it confirmed that the Yus are intended to merge at some point.

 

Yuzu can't have helped with the Duel. She doesn't have a Disk anymore, probably because it'd have attracted attention underground. The fact she rushed to try to help Yuya is a GOOD characterization.

 

I'm more confused about what happened to Yugo.

 

 

 

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I'm fine with Yuzu breaking up the party, because it is too soon for the Yu-merge.  My main beef with this episode is three-fold: how anti-climactic the invasion has been (despite a lot of the hype to the contrary, and the approach they took with the Xyz Dimension; if they could handle things this peacefully, why did they bomb that place to oblivion?), how we still don't know much of anything about Yuri or his deck (there would be riots if they didn't show Starve Venom) and how the Friendship Cup is still going despite this.

 

It almost feels like nothing was actually accomplished besides Selena and Yuzu getting kidnapped, and slightly more detailed foreshadowing about what the male Yu's are.  I'm sure some guys like that one ranting person on the Tumblr ("shiningnumbers" I think his username is) would love for those who complain about the arc's pacing to just shut up about it, but I think things have been progressing way too slowly on a number of fronts.

 

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So i'm going to ignore the fact that we know more about Sergery's second deck than we know about Yuri one and only deck and cheer myself up with the fact that my theory was correct, Yuyatogori confirmed.
 
Now this raises several more questions and issues. Chances are if they were originally one person, then I highly doubt that Yuya's Parents are his actual parents. Yuya's adopted, Yugo's a orphan, and not much is know about Yuri and Yuto's background. This probably makes Yuyatogori some sort of interdimensional god tier being, and for whatever reason, they were split in four and sent to different worlds Luke Style. However their existence is probably unrelated to the Professor's goals. The Bracelet girls probably hold the key to a dangerous power or entity, and even whatever the Professor is try to accomplish/obtain might subsequently unleash whatever the Yu Boys are/were. This might explain Yuzu's bracelet - it's trying to keep them apart at all costs (if you stayed with me til the end, congrats). Or something like that, just shooting ideas.
 
All that aside, nothing too major happened other than Sergey becoming a war machine. At this point, I give up on Yuri. Soon school and work and going to take over my life and I'll rarely have time to care. I'll probably see his cards leaked in a pack before I see him actually finish a duel.

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I'm fine with Yuzu breaking up the party, because it is too soon for the Yu-merge.  My main beef with this episode is two-fold: how anti-climactic the invasion has been (despite a lot of the hype to the contrary, and the approach they took with the Xyz Dimension; if they could handle things this peacefully, why did they bomb that place to oblivion?), and how the Friendship Cup is still going despite this.

 

It almost feels like nothing was actually accomplished besides Selena and Yuzu getting kidnapped, and slightly more detailed foreshadowing about what the male Yu's are.  I'm sure some guys like that one ranting person on the Tumblr ("shiningnumbers" I think his username is) would love for those who complain about the arc's pacing to just shut up about it, but I think things have been progressing way too slowly on a number of fronts.

 

 

Pacing's been crap, and the way the writers treat the characters can be pretty infuriating, so people's bottled annoyance about it erupting after a cockblocking episode like this is pretty understandable, although still an overreaction. The overreaction about Yuzu felt like the most baffling tbh.

 

Oh also, it's not an invasion actually

 

It's just Barret's group with Yuri trying to take Serena/Yuzu, not a full-on invasion like Xyz. Think of it like what happened in Standard.

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Oh also, it's not an invasion actually

 

It's just Barret's group with Yuri trying to take Serena/Yuzu, not a full-on invasion like Xyz. Think of it like what happened in Standard.

 

Fair enough, but I wonder why the Xyz invasion was even necessary; I guess we won't know until our protagonists meet Leo in person.

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Reading people flipping out about this episode and Yuzu feels weird.

 

Like damn, that was some hella bad overreaction. And even people start yelling that Yuzu's a damsel in distress now.

 

weird.

 

Nai, that's YGO. A franchise notable for its horrible treatment of its female characters. This sort of reaction may be precipitate, but not unreasonable or unjustified. Arc-V had been handling their girls relatively well for a long while, but not to the same level a lot of other Japanese series do, much less Western productions, and lately, it hasn't been giving any chance for their only current XX-chromosome players (Yuzu and Serena) to do anything remotely impressing. It'd not be the first time they hyped up a female duelist only to have her lose a lot of her pre-established competence and/or importance over time (Asuka, Aki, Rio...).

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Nai, that's YGO. A franchise notable for its terrible treatment of its female characters. This sort of reaction may be precipitate, but not unreasonable or unjustified. Arc-V had been handling their girls relatively well for a long while, but not to the same level a lot of other Japanese series do, much less Western productions, and lately, it hasn't been giving any chance for their only current XX-chromosome players (Yuzu and Serena) to do anything remotely impressing. It's be not the first time they hyped up a female duelist only to have her lose a lot of her competence and/or importance over time (Asuka, Aki, Rio...).

 

The thing is, that literally didn't happen in the last few episodes

 

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Serena lost against Yugo in a close match, and while she didn't duel lately, it's because a factor that doesn't detract from her competence (nerve gas) She later got teleported back to Academia while still in this state.

 

Yuzu on the other hand, while hiding in the UG, she didn't have her disk, and later Sergey captured her using physical force anyway. And it's shown that the others trying to stop stupid rocket Sergey without avail.

 

Not to mention Yuzu is still the plot and actually does move things.

 

 

 

They could do a lot better if they want to show them as powerful duelists in their own right (esp regarding to Serena and her Academia Jobber Syndrome), but yeah.

 

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The thing is, that literally didn't happen in the last few episodes

 

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Serena lost against Yugo in a close match, and while she didn't duel lately, it's because a factor that doesn't detract from her competence (nerve gas) She later got teleported back to Academia while still in this state.

 

Yuzu on the other hand, while hiding in the UG, she didn't have her disk, and later Sergey captured her using physical force anyway. And it's shown that the others trying to stop stupid rocket Sergey without avail.

 

Not to mention Yuzu is still the plot and actually does move things.

 

 

 

They could do a lot better if they want to show them as powerful duelists in their own right (esp regarding to Serena and her Academia Jobber Syndrome), but yeah.

 

 

But that's the whole point! Why do the writers have to give the girls so many restrictions while the guys are allowed to roam freely doing badass things? I've already seen dozens of times in shounen manga/anime instances of female characters being rendered useless by convenient plot devices like "nerve gas" (which, BTW, they had never been shown using beforehand or afterwards god-knows-why despite it being extremely useful) and the such while boys will withstand the same conditions while still managing to save them. It may be "justified", but it's still stupid and bad writing. They could totally have presented the same tension without having them being rendered defenseless. Instead of having Reira defeat all those securities by himself while Serena remained on the ground, why not have him butt in while she's in trouble dueling against Security because of Anti-Fusion strategy and help her defeat them? They could have her and Yuzu dueling alongside the boys to save themselves instead of just yelling a guy's name over and over. If they had Yuzu and Serena dueling a few OF soldiers when they got captured instead of staying on the sidelines the whole time, they'd get the same result but in a much more satisfying fashion. The fact they are the only female characters of importance this arc, and they haven't allowed to see much action for the last 10 episodes does not help either. I'm f***ing tired of YGO doing this s*** to every single strong girl duelist that appears. I thought Arc-V would be different, but if things stay this way, I'm seriously tempted to abandon ship. Is that really so hard for them to write women decently? I'm tired of watching them only showing the same old stereotypical feminine "emotional" strength, I want them to reach the same level of achievements as the guys, is that too much to ask?

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Holy hell, it is not that bad.

 

"Oh no, girls are incapacitated!"

 

So, it's okay when Shun was wounded and unable of doing anything, but it's wrong when it happens to the girls? When people refused to let him play the game, due to it? Sure, he eventually got to play, but it took a long while.

 

This was also never a precedent in the series, either, to my knowledge.

 

How about when Yuya was out of commission for 12+ hours after fighting the Obelisk Force? Or when Dennis lost to Selena because of plot purposes?

The fact is, people are complaining only because of their gender, which makes them no better than the supposed "bad writing".

 

If you're going to quit following a series because characters are restricted JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR GENDER, feel free. No one is asking or telling you to watch.

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Holy hell, it is not that bad.

 

"Oh no, girls are incapacitated!"

 

So, it's okay when Shun was wounded and unable of doing anything, but it's wrong when it happens to the girls? When people refused to let him play the game, due to it? Sure, he eventually got to play, but it took a long while.

 

This was also never a precedent in the series, either, to my knowledge.

 

How about when Yuya was out of commission for 12+ hours after fighting the Obelisk Force? Or when Dennis lost to Selena because of plot purposes?

The fact is, people are complaining only because of their gender, which makes them no better than the supposed "bad writing".

 

If you're going to quit following a series because characters are restricted JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR GENDER, feel free. No one is asking or telling you to watch.

 

Except we had other male characters acting to compensate for the lack of action of those incapacitated.

Except Shun did perform the winning move on that match despite his wounds, while Serena and Yuzu weren't allowed to do anything impressive ever since the former lost to Yuugo, and now they've both been captured.

Except Yuya's period of inactivity took less than 1 episode and he didn't have to watch from the sidelines while his friends defended him from the enemy while whispering someone's name over and over, unable to do anything.

Except Dennis at least was allowed to beat 1 important character on-screen (Yuzu, BTW), and only lost to Serena due to plot convenience (as in, she didn't beat him thanks to her supposed phenomenal skills as an Academia Soldier). The one time Serena had a full on-screen duel by herself, she lost to Yuugo - despite Roget cheating on her favour.

 

The key thing to remember here is female characters must never be shown in any state other than blazing victorious glory. I mean really.

Except we barely saw the girls doing anything impressive this arc, specially compared to the guys.

 

I think you don't guys understand: it's not a problem for a female character to be incapacitated at some point. The problem is when she's rarely given as much time to show her worth as the guys because of that. If that was a pontual occurrence and we had other girls to showcase their badassness while their are out, it'd be fine, but both Yuzu and Serena, the only women with any sort of importance to the plot currently, hadn't been allowed to do nearly as much as Yuya and the others for a long time.

 

You may not give a damn about that, but when I watch a show, I expect to see good representation of both female AND male characters, but, unfortunately, there haven't been much of the former lately in Arc-V. While we have a couple of useless guys out there (cofcofsawataricofcof), there's still plenty of others to balance it out at least.

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Except we had other male characters acting to compensate for the lack of action of those incapacitated.

Except Shun did perform the winning move on that match despite his wounds, while Serena and Yuzu weren't allowed to do anything impressive ever since the former lost to Yuugo, and now they've both been captured.

Except Yuya's period of inactivity took less than 1 episode and he didn't have to watch from the sidelines while his friends defended him from the enemy while whispering someone's name over and over, unable to do anything.

Except Dennis at least was allowed to beat 1 important character on-screen (Yuzu, BTW), and only lost to Serena due to plot convenience (as in, she didn't beat him thanks to her supposed phenomenal skills as an Academia Soldier). The one-time Serena had a full on-screen duel by herself, she lost to Yuugo - despíte Roget cheating on her favour.

So all of your points are... just based on gender?

 

Selena did stuff while Shun was incapacitated, so even that fails. Good job, dude.

 

OH NO HE RECOVERED, HOW HORRIBLE, NOT LIKE I ACKNOWLEDGED THIS OR ANYTHING

 

Point about Yuya doesn't matter. It may have been little to our time, but in-universe, it was over 12 hours, and a lot happened.

 

So now you're complaining that a girl didn't win when cheating? Because she chose not to cheat? Like funk, she performed well, but the point is that she's NOT as good as she thought, and her deck shows it. It charges forward without thinking of consequences, and eats its own advantage. This is a narrative point, and she developed a lot against Yugo. Who gives a funk if she lost when she grew a lot?

 

Except we barely saw the girls doing anything impressive this arc, specially compared to the guys.

 

I think you don't guys understand: it's not a problem for a female character to be incapacitated at some point. The problem is when she's rarely given as much time to show her worth as the guys because of that. If that was a pontual occurrence and we had other girls to showcase their badassness while their are out, it'd be fine, but both Yuzu and Serena, the only women with any sort of importance to the plot currently, hadn't been allowed to do nearly as much as Yuya and the others for a long time.

 

You may not give a damn about that, but when I watch a show, I expect to see good representation of both female AND male characters, but, unfortunately, there haven't been much of the former lately in Arc-V. While we have a couple of useless guys there (cofcofsawataricofcof), there's still plenty of others to balance it out at least.

Sawatari barely gets any time. Gong only gets some time. Lots of males get shafted. Yes, there are more males, but that doesn't change that they get shafted. It's horribly unfair to whine about one gender when both have it happen in the series.

 

Every time you post, it's self-righteous bullshit, as your last point shows. Either about how you're better for not liking JMR as a villain, because he's detestable, or how you are subverting the patriarchal paradigm. No one here gives a funk, so if this is all you have to add, just stop.

 

Arc-V has strived to treat the girls better. It may not get all the way there, but the girls are wonderful characters, regardless of their win/loss ratio. Hell, some of the favorite characters in series don't win a lot. You are too focused on win/loss and "BUT UNABLE!!!!!" to see the characters they've grown into. Yes, Yuzu is worried about Yuya... because her magical bracelet says he's in trouble. And then she gets MUGGED to get abducted. Boo funking hoo, it's like she can't overpower a giant funking goon.

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Selena does need a "redeeming" duel of some kind; she hasn't "legitimately" won any duel she had against an important character up to this point.

 

Of course, if done right, these losses (and her damsel period these past few episodes) can be a catalyst for further development of her character, but I'm not 100% confident about Arc-V taking advantage of that.

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Selena does need a "redeeming" duel of some kind; she's lost every duel she had against an important character up to this point.

 

Of course, if done right, these losses can be a catalyst for development of her character, but I'm not all that confident about Arc-V taking advantage of that.

are you kidding?

 

That's exactly what was put into motion in the duel with Yugo. It was obvious.

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So all of your points are... just based on gender?

 

Selena did stuff while Shun was incapacitated, so even that fails. Good job, dude.

 

OH NO HE RECOVERED, HOW HORRIBLE, NOT LIKE I ACKNOWLEDGED THIS OR ANYTHING

 

Point about Yuya doesn't matter. It may have been little to our time, but in-universe, it was over 12 hours, and a lot happened.

 

So now you're complaining that a girl didn't win when cheating? Because she chose not to cheat? Like f***, she performed well, but the point is that she's NOT as good as she thought, and her deck shows it. It charges forward without thinking of consequences, and eats its own advantage. This is a narrative point, and she developed a lot against Yugo. Who gives a f*** if she lost when she grew a lot?

 

Sawatari barely gets any time. Gong only gets some time. Lots of males get shafted. Yes, there are more males, but that doesn't change that they get shafted. It's horribly unfair to whine about one gender when both have it happen in the series.

 

Every time you post, it's self-righteous bullshit, as your last point shows. Either about how you're better for not liking JMR as a villain, because he's detestable, or how you are subverting the patriarchal paradigm. No one here gives a f***, so if this is all you have to add, just stop.

 

Arc-V has strived to treat the girls better. It may not get all the way there, but the girls are wonderful characters, regardless of their win/loss ratio. Hell, some of the favorite characters in series don't win a lot. You are too focused on win/loss and "BUT UNABLE!!!!!" to see the characters they've grown into. Yes, Yuzu is worried about Yuya... because her magical bracelet says he's in trouble. And then she gets MUGGED to get abducted. Boo f***ing hoo, it's like she can't overpower a giant f***ing goon.

 

Self-righteous? I'm not the one who swears at other people simply because they don't see their points about YGO TCG well, then goes complaining about how poisonous the TCG section has become.

Seriously, funk you, you hypocritical jabroni.

So all of your points are... just based on gender?

 

Selena did stuff while Shun was incapacitated, so even that fails. Good job, dude.

 

OH NO HE RECOVERED, HOW HORRIBLE, NOT LIKE I ACKNOWLEDGED THIS OR ANYTHING

 

Point about Yuya doesn't matter. It may have been little to our time, but in-universe, it was over 12 hours, and a lot happened.

 

So now you're complaining that a girl didn't win when cheating? Because she chose not to cheat? Like f***, she performed well, but the point is that she's NOT as good as she thought, and her deck shows it. It charges forward without thinking of consequences, and eats its own advantage. This is a narrative point, and she developed a lot against Yugo. Who gives a f*** if she lost when she grew a lot?

 

Sawatari barely gets any time. Gong only gets some time. Lots of males get shafted. Yes, there are more males, but that doesn't change that they get shafted. It's horribly unfair to whine about one gender when both have it happen in the series.

 

Every time you post, it's self-righteous bullshit, as your last point shows. Either about how you're better for not liking JMR as a villain, because he's detestable, or how you are subverting the patriarchal paradigm. No one here gives a f***, so if this is all you have to add, just stop.

 

Arc-V has strived to treat the girls better. It may not get all the way there, but the girls are wonderful characters, regardless of their win/loss ratio. Hell, some of the favorite characters in series don't win a lot. You are too focused on win/loss and "BUT UNABLE!!!!!" to see the characters they've grown into. Yes, Yuzu is worried about Yuya... because her magical bracelet says he's in trouble. And then she gets MUGGED to get abducted. Boo f***ing hoo, it's like she can't overpower a giant f***ing goon.

 

Self-righteous? I'm not the one who swears at other people simply because they don't see their points about YGO TCG well, then goes complaining about how poisonous the TCG section has become.

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So all of your points are... just based on gender?

 

Selena did stuff while Shun was incapacitated, so even that fails. Good job, dude.

 

OH NO HE RECOVERED, HOW HORRIBLE, NOT LIKE I ACKNOWLEDGED THIS OR ANYTHING

 

Point about Yuya doesn't matter. It may have been little to our time, but in-universe, it was over 12 hours, and a lot happened.

 

So now you're complaining that a girl didn't win when cheating? Because she chose not to cheat? Like f***, she performed well, but the point is that she's NOT as good as she thought, and her deck shows it. It charges forward without thinking of consequences, and eats its own advantage. This is a narrative point, and she developed a lot against Yugo. Who gives a f*** if she lost when she grew a lot?

 

Sawatari barely gets any time. Gong only gets some time. Lots of males get shafted. Yes, there are more males, but that doesn't change that they get shafted. It's horribly unfair to whine about one gender when both have it happen in the series.

 

Every time you post, it's self-righteous bullshit, as your last point shows. Either about how you're better for not liking JMR as a villain, because he's detestable, or how you are subverting the patriarchal paradigm. No one here gives a f***, so if this is all you have to add, just stop.

 

Arc-V has strived to treat the girls better. It may not get all the way there, but the girls are wonderful characters, regardless of their win/loss ratio. Hell, some of the favorite characters in series don't win a lot. You are too focused on win/loss and "BUT UNABLE!!!!!" to see the characters they've grown into. Yes, Yuzu is worried about Yuya... because her magical bracelet says he's in trouble. And then she gets MUGGED to get abducted. Boo f***ing hoo, it's like she can't overpower a giant f***ing goon.

 

Self-righteous? I'm not the one who swears at other people simply because they don't see their points about YGO TCG, then goes complaining about how poisonous the TCG section has become. It's not worth fighting with a hypocrite like you.

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are you kidding?

 

That's exactly what was put into motion in the duel with Yugo. It was obvious.

 

What was put into motion was primarily a change in her dueling philosophy, but not what she thinks about her own shortcomings ability-wise, at least from what I recall.

 

I did like that it showed that she wasn't the "win at any costs" type of girl; she has principles, and I respect her character for it.  In short, I have no problem with her character at its core, but I feel they could do more with it.

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Self-righteous? I'm not the one who swears at other people simply because they don't see their points about YGO TCG well, then goes complaining about how poisonous the TCG section has become.

Seriously, funk you, you hypocritical jabroni.

First off, I do no such thing. I hardly post in TCG, and I don't "Swear at other people". I use it as a modifier, but I never tell people to funk off, call them bastards, etc. So, you proposed an empty self-righteous point.

 

Secondly, I don't complain about how poisonous the section is. I think it's a bad section, but that's due to players not wanting to/simply not improving. I don't even talk abotu TCG unless something over the top happens, so... again, failed point.

 

So how about you get your facts straight before using the point-dodging argument, mmkay?

 

And please, keep on topic. I'm loathe to go off topic, but I refuse to let you drag my name into the mud because you couldn't formulate a response other than a failed character assassintion attempt.

What was put into motion was a change in her dueling philosophy, but not what she thinks about her own shortcomings, at least from what I recall.

Fair enough.

 

It was moreso character development, though. Showing her that balls-to-the-wall isn't exactly a valid means, and that she needs to have more fun and not be so... for lack of a better term, cut throat, which leads to character growth.

 

Her deck is a symbol of her character, after all.

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Ok, sorry for bursting into rage. How about this: Arc-V may have improved on the franchise's treatment of females, but it's still lightyears from the ideal; it's way behind many of its contemporaries. I see Arc-V as a huge improvement to the previous series, but it's still not enough for me, specially since I had great expectations for Arc-V in that regard. I think the rate in which the handling of female characters in the YGO franchise has improved isn't proportional to the amount of time that has gone by ever since its debut - not to mention we had a big retrocess from 5D's to ZeXal. Yeah, characterization is important, but in a show about card games, success on that department counts a lot as well, and unfortunately, the girls still haven't catch up to the guys there yet, even if they got better. I'm really ok with girls showing weakness - it's not that Yuzu or Serena have to win all their duels or never need help. But the problem is that, the way the plot is being conducted, there's been many less opportunities for them to showcase their strength than Yuya or Shun, for example. Yes, they've shown emotional strength, but so did the guys, and they also have more opportunities to show their "fighting strength" as well. Not to mention all other girls were shoved to the background as of Season 2, so they are the only representatives they have for now. I'm not complaining about either Yuzu or Serena's characterization, I'm perfectly fine with them as they are: all I'm just asking for is to see more action from them; just that. I don't think it's unreasonable for Yuzu to be captured by a guy much larger than her, but they could at least let her defeat a few OF soldiers before that.

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