Hexanort Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 [spoiler=84]-Yugo X serena moments are really hilarious, especially the good ol Fusion joke XD-Okay JMR....you just crossed the line....villain do villainy things is acceptable, but interrupting another people's duel is yugioh anime is not....hope yuya'll burn you along with the security at the end....-Got a glimpse of Rin's personality, she's like yuzu, serious but loosen up easily to her friends, now only ruri's personality is unknown-Yugo's new synchro are quite disappointing...well its a level 4 so its understandable...and its unlikely that is all it can do if it would be released IRL-Interesting thing about Yugo's dice trap, its not actually destiny roll...even if the dice fail yugo will survive anyway...since panther dancer can only attack twice on monsters...-Yugo and Yuya synchronized again....and now yugo's clear wing will evolve to crystal wing...although since he's using red-eyed dice, the crystal wing would be level 8 which shouldnt be that special and now i have to suffer 2 week cliffhanger wait to see crystal wing and what will happen to Yuya....T_T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshends Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 [spoiler=Script 84]Last Time’s Egao Count: 92Yuya: Sora, I’m entrusting Yuzu to you.Yuzu. Please stay safe.We’ll definitely go home…together with everyone.Yuya: Together with everyone…Melissa: Well then, it’s finally time for the last match of the second round!Competing for the Best 4 slot is…Yugo! And Serena!Audience: Serena! Serena! Serena! Serena! Serena!Jean-Michel: It’s not just Sergey and Yuya. Serena also has an important role to play.She has to become a star of hope for every citizen in the City, beloved by both Tops and Commons…(Opening Sequence)Audience: Yugo! Yugo! Yugo! Yugo! Yugo! Yugo!Yugo: My heart is burning right now.Just like that bright red sun.That’s right.With my burning heart, I shall swear by that sun.Rin, and Yuzu in heaven.I’ll definitely win this Duel for you two’s sake.Just watch.Yuzu: Achoo! Did I catch a cold?Melissa: Ah! Serena has showed up on the course!Serena: Why are you spacing out!?Your opponent is right here!To think that you would ignore me, your opponent…Don’t you have any manners as a Duelist!?Yugo: Ah…Rin!Serena: Heh?Yugo: RIIIIIIINNNNNNNNN!Serena: Stay away!Serena: Rin? Could it be one of the girls who look just like us that Yuzu told me about?Random Dude 1: Yugo! The hell are you doing!?Random Dude 2: Don’t you dare lay a hand on my Serena!Yugo: Rin!Serena: I’m not Rin!My name is Serena!Yugo: I see…But I’m just going to ask this, just to be sure…Serena: Eh?Yugo: Are you really not Rin?Serena: Your face is too close!Yugo: Rin!Serena: You stubborn little…!Yugo: Rin!Serena: You’re annoying me!Yugo: Rin!Serena: Get away from me!Melissa: Hey! Yugo! How long are you going to keep this up?We have to start the match, you know.And you too, Serena.If you want to beat him up, beat him up in a Duel!Heh?We’re running out of time?Um…Anyway,Thank you for waiting!Now then, the final Duel of the second round!Action Field, on!Field Magic, Cross Over Accel!D-Wheel: Duel Mode, on. Autopilot. Standby.Yugo: Hey! Hold on just a sec!Melissa: Riding Duel…Acceleration!DUEL!Melissa: Whoa!Yugo is getting a late start after all!Will Serena be the one to pass the gate of the Duel Palace first and seize the first move!?Jean-Michel: Serena. I’ll have you win this Duel.No matter what methods I’ll have to use.Everyone, please pay close attention to the movements of Serena’s D-wheel.Security: Understood.Yugo: I know Yuzu also looks like her, but this girl really does resemble Rin.If that’s the case, wouldn’t this be the same as Riding Dueling against Rin?Yugo: Rin…This is our dream right?To be able to Duel against each other in front of a huge audience someday…Serena: Hey. Hey! Hey!Serena: Stop looking at people’s faces and grinning like an idiot, you creep!However, your Duel against Sawatari was pretty impressive.Yugo: Eh?Serena: I’m looking forward to this.Yugo: Hah?Rin: I’m looking forward to this, Yugo.Yugo: Yaaaaahoo!!Melissa: Whoa! Yugo is now ahead!Melissa: And he passed through the gate!The first move goes to Yugo!Yugo: Let’s do this!It’s my turn!I summon Speedroid Lightning Archduke!With that, I end my turn!Serena: Hey!Yugo: Hah?Serena: You’re just going to summon a 1200 ATK monster in attack position, and end your turn?Yugo: Eh?Serena: You didn’t even set any cards?Are you making fun of me!?Yugo: Hah!?Serena: Seems like I misjudged you.I’m severely disappointed.Yugo: Ahhh…Serena: It’s my turn!I summon Moonlight Purple Butterfly!Then, from my hand, I activate the Magic Card, Fusion!Yugo: It’s not Fusion! It’s Yugo, damn it!Serena: You’re too noisy!Stop sprouting your nonsense!It’s still my turn, so just shut up and listen!Due to its effect, I can fuse the Moonlight Blue Cat and the Moonlight White Rabbit in my hand together!Azure cat that wanders in the darkness!Rabbit that dashes under the moonlight!Spiral into the moon’s gravity,And be reborn with new power!Fusion Summon!Come forth! Moonlight Cat Dancer!Melissa: Serena has already Fusion Summoned!Serena: I activate Moonlight Cat Dancer’s effect!By releasing a Moonlight monster, it can attack every opposing monster twice!Yugo: Hah!? What the hell!?Serena: I release Moonlight Purple Butterfly!Battle!Rin: Battle!Yugo: Rin?Serena: I attack Lightning Archduke with Moonlight Cat Dancer!Serena: Due to Moonlight Cat Dancer’s effect, my opponent’s monster won’t be destroyed by the first attack!Crow: In exchange for not destroying the opposing monster in the first attack, you can drive the opponent into a wall in one go with a second attack, huh?Serena: I attack Lightning Archduke one more time with Moonlight Cat Dancer!Full Moon Cresta!Melissa: Yugo took 2400 damage in one go!With an excellent preemptive strike, Serena has overwhelmed Yugo!Tops 1: Well, well, there’s no gaps or flaws in Serena’s Dueling.Tops 2: Her attacks are ruthless, but dignified at the same time, too.Random Kid: Good going, Serena! I’m getting shivers! (Oh, bloody hell. ARE YOU funking KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW!?)Random Dude: The hell is your problem, Yugo!?Get your sheet together, man!Yugo: She’s pretty good…Rin: Get a hold of yourself, Yugo!Yugo: Ah…Rin: Sheesh…you’re always getting carried away,And tripping yourself up!That’s a bad habit of yours!Just stop thinking about unnecessary stuff,And focus on winning!Yugo: I got it! Shut up already!Yugo: I got it…shut up already…Thanks to you, I’m now snapped out of it.Yuya: There’s been times when I don’t know what to do, hasn’t there?I’ll have to believe.Serena: I end my turn!Yugo: I swore.That I’ll win the Friendship Cup.And yet, here I am, embarrassing myself…Rin will scold me for sure.Serena: I see. But the match will be over by my next turn.Yugo: You’re quite confident, aren’t you?Yugo: The match isn’t settled yet,So, I still have a chance to win.I’ll let you know that I’m pretty strong when I’m awakened!It’s my turn!When I have no monsters on my field, I can Special Summon Speedroid Beigomax from my hand!Then, I Normal Summon Speedroid Red-Eyed Dice!I’m tuning the Level-3 Beigomax with the Level-1 Red-Eyed Dice!Elusive shadow that possesses thousands of faces.With your sharp blade,Cut though the chaotic darkness!Synchro Summon!Level-4! High-Speedroid Kaitou Rappa Zzle!Melissa: Yugo has pulled off a splendid Synchro Summon!Serena: If you had Synchro Summoned that in the first place, maybe this Duel would have been a bit more challenging.Your Dueling is full of flaws.Yugo: A Duel is not going to be so precise all the times.Serena: What?Yugo: You certainly are strong.However, your Dueling is a bit too by-the-book.Yugo: If you look at the situation right now, you would probably think that you’ll win.Yugo: But everything not happening as you expect is a part of Dueling!Serena: You can’t win with a strategy devoid of logic!Yugo: Are you sure about that?Yugo: Battle!I attack Moonlight Cat Dancer with Kaitou Rappa Zzle!I activate Zzle’s effect!Once per turn, when this card battles against a Special Summoned monster, its ATK is doubled during damage calculation only!Go!Melissa: Yugo is attacking!Can he destroy Serena’s ace monster!?Jean-Michel: Switch from course point DD05 to G10.Make sure that Serena’s D-wheel follows the alternate route.Security Officer: Switching from course point DD05 to G10.Serena: Hah? What the?Speaker: The course will be alteredThe course will be altered.Serena: They changed the course!?Yugo: Whoa! I’m not going to be able to stop!Crow: What!? Why are they changing the course all of a sudden?Melissa: Just what’s going on?I didn’t hear anything about this!Jean-Michel: The strong can have whatever they desire.That is the rule of this world.Serena: I activate the Action Magic, Great Escape!It will force the Battle Phase to end!Yugo: Since its attack has ended, Zzle’s effect also ends, and its ATK returns to normal.Melissa: Due to the course’s modification, Serena was able to get the Action Card before her!She escaped her pinch!Yugo: See!? This is just like what I told you, no?I’m sure no one expected the route changing like that!It’s still a bummer for me, though.I set two cards facedown, and end my turn!White Taki: Hohoho. This must be Roger’s doing.Jean-Michel: I’ve got this Duel firmly under my control.{Chess Commercial. Brb}Serena: Looks like the Duel is going to end next turn, just as I expected!Yugo: You’re still saying that!?Yugo: Not only do you look like her,But you’re also headstrong like her. Seriously.Serena: It’s my turn!I summon Moonlight Black Sheep!Then, from my hand, I activate the Magic Card, Fusion!I’m fusing Moonlight Black Sheep and Moonlight Cat Dancer together!Beast who lurks in the pitch-black darkness.Beautiful beast who dances under the moonlight!Spiral into the moon’s gravity,And be reborn with new power!Fusion Summon!Come on out!Elegant beast who dances in the moonlit plain!Moonlight Panther Dancer!Serena: I activate the effect of the Moonlight Black Sheep in my graveyard!When this card is used as a Fusion Material on the field, I can return it from the graveyard to my hand!I’ll end this in this turn. Battle!I attack Kaitou Rappa Zzle with Moonlight Panther Dancer!Melissa: Yugo is being put into a pinch again by this new monster!Yugo: I activate Zzle’s effect!when this card battles against a Special Summoned monster, its ATK is doubled during damage calculation only!Melissa: Yugo increased his monster’s ATK to reduce the damage!Serena: Of course, you were going to do that.Panther Dancer’s effect!It can attack every monster twice!Yugo: What!? That thing also has the same effect as Cat Dancer’s!?Serena: It also means that when this effect is active, I can’t destroy the opposing monster with the first attack.Melissa: Yugo has 1400 Life left.Serena: Zzle’s effect will end, and its ATK will return to normal!Yugo: Haha…This doesn’t look too good.Crow: Panther Dancer’s ATK is 2800.It’s over.Serena: I hope you’re ready.Yugo: No! Give me just a sec.Melissa: Can Yugo do anything at all!?Yugo: This is bad.At this rate, I’m really going to lose.What do I do…Ah!There it is!Serena: Oh no! An Action Card!?Jean-Michel: Switch from course point ZL02 to DM01Speaker: The course will be alteredThe course will be altered.Yugo: Say what!?Why now, of all times!?Crow: They changed the course again?What is going on here?Melissa: The course has changed, and Yugo missed the Action Card!White Taki: Hohoho! Looks like Roger has this Duel completely in his hand.Yugo: Did they plan to change the course from the start?Yugo: No. I guess the goddess of victory has simply abandoned me.I wasn’t able to get an Action Card, I only have 1400 Life left…Looks like this is as far as I can go.I’m sorry, Rin.Rin: Stop fretting over it, will you?‘Yugo: Hah?Rin: Seriously, you just don’t know when to give up!No matter how much time you spent thinking about it,It’s all going to be the same!I’m just going to win anyway!Just give it up already.Yugo: Oh, shut up!The Duel isn’t even over yet!Rin: Ah… I guess so.But that tenacity of yours is probably your greatest strength.Yugo: That’s right!My strength is…Serena: I waited long enough. So you won’t complain, right?Go! I attack Zzle with Panther Dancer!Be gone!Yugo: There’s no other choice.Trap, activate! Re-Dice!I can activate this card by targeting a Synchro Monster in my Extra Deck.I choose Clear Wing Synchro Dragon!Yuya: Odd-Eyes?Yugo: And then, I can Special Summon a Dice monster, Red-Eyed Dice, from my graveyard with its effect negated!Then, I roll a dice, and the Level of Red-Eyed Dice will be the same as the number I get!Then, with Red-Eyed Dice as a material, I can Synchro Summon the selected monster!The Zzle on my field is Level-4.In order to bring out the Level-7 Clear Wing,I’ll have to get number 3 when I roll the dice.But if I get any other number besides that, all monsters on my field will be destroyed.Serena: All your monsters will be destroyed?Crow: A death-or-glory attack, huh?Yugo: I would have gotten an Action Card if I could.But since it’s come to this, I’ll leave this up to my luck!Serena: A Duel where you rely on luck is nothing more than a game!Yugo: That’s why it’s fun.That’s the true thrill of Dueling!I’ll entrust my fate to it.To My Destiny Dice-Roll…Go!Serena: What!?Yugo: Hell yeah!With this, Red-Eyed Dice’s Level becomes 3!Let’s do this!I’m tuning the Level-4 Kaitou Rappa Zzle with the Level-3 Red-Eyed Dice!Spread your beautiful and majestic wingsAnd strike down our enemies at light speed!Synchro Summon!Come forth! Level-7! Clear Wing Synchro Dragon!Melissa: Yugo replaced the 1300 ATK Zzle with the 2500 ATK Clear Wing Synchro Dragon!Serena: However, the ATK of my Panther Dancer is still higher.This doesn’t change anything.Yugo: I wonder about that.After all, I just don’t know when to give up.Yuya: Clear Wing Synchro Dragon!?Serena!Yugo: Let’s go!Yuya & Yugo: The fun has just begun!(Preview for Episode 85)Serena: I’ve already told you!A Duel where you rely on luck is nothing more than a game!I won’t Duel like that!Yugo: Bring it on!Yugo & Yuya: I’m tuning the Level-7 Clear Wing with the Level-1 Red-Eyed Dice!Bathe in the holy light, and make your wings glitter!Destroy your enemies with that radiance!Synchro Summon!Come forth!Crystal Wing Synchro Dragon!Yuya: Next time on Yu-Gi-Oh Arc-V:Crystal WingsThe fun has just begun! Thank DMC3444 for the script! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yeah, I know, but I still can't get over the fact that people would pray for Academia to invade City and card everyone while praising and cuddling characters who've done way worse than most of its denizens, like Sora. I don't recall Shinji turning anyone into a card, yet fans treat him as if he was much worse than first-degree murderer candy boy. I'm sorry, but I simply can't put "entertainment value" before logic and morals - not to THIS extent, at least. It's like people's brains aren't working properly. Reminds me of IRL cases where the crowd would beg for an one-time murderer to be executed without due trial while going easier on a corrupt politician whose actions probably harmed a lot of more people. A million is indeed a statistic, so it seems. I just can't understand these people.Bear in mind this is only a general comment, not pointing the finger at anyone here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yeah, I know, but I still can't get over the fact that people would pray for Academia to invade City and card everyone while praising and cuddling characters who've done way worse than most of its denizens, like Sora. I don't recall Shinji turning anyone into a card, yet fans treat him as if he was much worse than first-degree murderer candy boy. I'm sorry, but I simply can't put "entertainment value" before logic and morals - not to THIS extent, at least. It's like people's brains aren't working properly. Reminds me of IRL cases where the crowd would beg for an one-time murderer to be executed without due trial while going easier on a corrupt politician whose actions probably harmed a lot of more people. A million is indeed a statistic, so it seems. I just can't understand these people.Bear in mind this is a general comment, not accusing anyone here of anything.No, this is you not understanding writing. This is you being stuck on being 'logical', when you're being anything but. The one whose brain isn't working properly is yours. You seem to have some issue with seperating fiction from reality, so step back, think about it, and realize that this is a story. No one wants Sora to go on as a murderer, no one wants JMR to win, but equally no one wants Shinji's batshit plan to work. You keep trying to defend Shinji, who is just an infinitely worse Shun, in an attempt to compare him to a villain (JMR) and a character trying to find himself (Sora). Now, why is Shinji seen differently from Sora? With Sora, we see why he behaves how he does, but we've also been presented his heart. Especially now that he explained what Yuya and Yuzu meant to him. At the core, he enjoys fun and entertaining duels. He's like Dennis, except he's younger, so he's just now learning all this, and it conflicts with how he was indoctrinated. Sora's a victim in his own way, just as Shinji is. The difference is that, as I said, Sora's heart has been shown. That he IS conflicted, that he DOES wish things could just go smoothly, that he WANTS the Professor to stop. But he can't have it all. Shinji, while a much more clear victim, uses his victimization as a means to make himself appear "righteous", even when he's spewing hate. He acts holier than thou, and tries to rile the tops up against the commons. If Yusei was a Jesus character, then Shinji is a Judah Macabee, not to drag Judah's name through the mud. Where Yusei tried to fix things through peace, Shinji just declares war, regardless of what happens. Can this be logical? Surely, but it's not something you can get behind as an observer of the world, when you know that there has to be a better fix. Hell, it would be hard to get behind it in an IRL situation, if Syria's any indicator. And when he lost, he used this as a means to proclaim Yuya a traitor, an enemy, etc. He didn't take it with grace, or even some frustration, he simply attacked someone who did nothing to him. How is this better than Sora? If he could have killed Yuya, given seeing him as a Top, he very likely would have. He's trying to start a grand revolution, the blood of a "Traitor" would be easy to spill. Sora never, ever tries to sell his actions like this. He's not acting like some holy messenger, he acts like a devout follower. He follows what he believes in, and while his faith wavers, he tries his best to find a solution that works with both his leader AND his friends. And yes, he reacted similarly to his loss against Shun... But he didn't deny that he lost that round. He didn't try to defame Shun. He demanded a rematch. He demanded that he get a chance to prove his superiority. He would have carded Shun if he had the chance, as well, but the presentation was more of a psychotic break, as opposed to a Holier Than Thou revolutionist. A lot of Sora's behavior in the Battle Royale WAS odd, like him suddenly warping away. But now we've had the holes filled there, somewhat. And yes, pursuing Shun was wrong, but he's shown growth by apologizing to Tsukikage and accepting what comes his way, so long as his friends are safe. You cannot defend Shinji by comparing him to characters who have shown growth, remorse, and different sides to them, when all he did was spew hate. Nor can you compare him to JMR, because a villain is not the same as a hero, or person in a potential heroic role. Shinji's only comparisons are characters like Crow, Shun, or Yusei. Characters with similar backgrounds, but different presentations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizardonx Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I for the life of me can't understand Yugo's obsession with going first. His deck bleeds advantage with every move which means the extra card would come in great handy, he also has a piercer and a level 5 that can straight up OTK with a clear field. Yet he still insists on going first whenever possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 [spoiler=Thoughts on 84 RAW]- Them Yugo-x-Serena moments, it defo made me forget about the stuff in the ending with her punching Mr What's-his-Face. (For the record, I am deliberately forgetting his name) It was amusing, continuously watching Serena attack Yugo before the match begins. That and his misunderstanding when Serena activated Poly, not like we didn't see that coming.- At least we see more of Rin and what she is like as a character, personality-wise and being similar to Yuzu and whatnot.- Great, now JMR is even influencing the highway in Serena's favour, essentially stopping Yugo from getting any Action cards, but also forcing him to go manual to even cope with the sudden change in the duel lane.- Yugo's trap is interesting, yet mediocre like his new Synchro.- Yuya and Yugo synchronised again, shame we have to wait 2 weeks to see what Crystal Wing is like (inb4 it ends up being the cover card for SHVI). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 No, this is you not understanding writing. This is you being stuck on being 'logical', when you're being anything but. The one whose brain isn't working properly is yours. You seem to have some issue with seperating fiction from reality, so step back, think about it, and realize that this is a story. No one wants Sora to go on as a murderer, no one wants JMR to win, but equally no one wants Shinji's batshit plan to work. You keep trying to defend Shinji, who is just an infinitely worse Shun, in an attempt to compare him to a villain (JMR) and a character trying to find himself (Sora). Now, why is Shinji seen differently from Sora? With Sora, we see why he behaves how he does, but we've also been presented his heart. Especially now that he explained what Yuya and Yuzu meant to him. At the core, he enjoys fun and entertaining duels. He's like Dennis, except he's younger, so he's just now learning all this, and it conflicts with how he was indoctrinated. Sora's a victim in his own way, just as Shinji is. The difference is that, as I said, Sora's heart has been shown. That he IS conflicted, that he DOES wish things could just go smoothly, that he WANTS the Professor to stop. But he can't have it all. Shinji, while a much more clear victim, uses his victimization as a means to make himself appear "righteous", even when he's spewing hate. He acts holier than thou, and tries to rile the tops up against the commons. If Yusei was a Jesus character, then Shinji is a Judah Macabee, not to drag Judah's name through the mud. Where Yusei tried to fix things through peace, Shinji just declares war, regardless of what happens. Can this be logical? Surely, but it's not something you can get behind as an observer of the world, when you know that there has to be a better fix. Hell, it would be hard to get behind it in an IRL situation, if Syria's any indicator. And when he lost, he used this as a means to proclaim Yuya a traitor, an enemy, etc. He didn't take it with grace, or even some frustration, he simply attacked someone who did nothing to him. How is this better than Sora? If he could have killed Yuya, given seeing him as a Top, he very likely would have. He's trying to start a grand revolution, the blood of a "Traitor" would be easy to spill. Sora never, ever tries to sell his actions like this. He's not acting like some holy messenger, he acts like a devout follower. He follows what he believes in, and while his faith wavers, he tries his best to find a solution that works with both his leader AND his friends. And yes, he reacted similarly to his loss against Shun... But he didn't deny that he lost that round. He didn't try to defame Shun. He demanded a rematch. He demanded that he get a chance to prove his superiority. He would have carded Shun if he had the chance, as well, but the presentation was more of a psychotic break, as opposed to a Holier Than Thou revolutionist. A lot of Sora's behavior in the Battle Royale WAS odd, like him suddenly warping away. But now we've had the holes filled there, somewhat. And yes, pursuing Shun was wrong, but he's shown growth by apologizing to Tsukikage and accepting what comes his way, so long as his friends are safe. You cannot defend Shinji by comparing him to characters who have shown growth, remorse, and different sides to them, when all he did was spew hate. Nor can you compare him to JMR, because a villain is not the same as a hero, or person in a potential heroic role. Shinji's only comparisons are characters like Crow, Shun, or Yusei. Characters with similar backgrounds, but different presentations.I only used the Shinji/Sora comparison to illustrate my criticism - my point is that the audience, in general, presents a very messed-up double-standard mentality when it comes to City's denizens and more colorful villains like JMR and Sora, and one that doesn't extend only to the realm of fiction, judging offenders and condeming them based more on superficial aspects like charisma and woobie-ness than the true weight of their actions. The main complaint is precisely that people's attitude in regards to fiction isn't as far from reality as they might claim. The line between the two spheres isn't as thick as most say, IMO. Now, how is Shinji worse than Shun? He didn't card any innocent person, as far as we know. You can speculate as much as you want, but the fact remains he didn't - even if he felt tempted to do so, given the chance, that doesn't mean he'd go through with that. You can't judge a person based on the crimes they might've committed, only on the ones they already have. He may preach that Tops must be dethroned at any cost, but that doesn't mean he'd have the guts to go and kill one of them personally, much less an unrelated party. And the way I see it, the only reason why Shinji resorted to that dirty trick was out of despair that his revolution wouldn't happen and the Commons' situation would remain the same - few people as desperate as he was at that moment would be able to keep their cool long enough to realize that wasn't the best course of action - the fact JMR was easily able to point out the flaws on his accusation should make it clear he wasn't exactly on his right mind. Also note that he WAS going to resign to his defeat, more or less, until Roget came and deliberately pushed the wrong buttons on him and the Common audience. Meanwhile, while equally fueled by rage, Shun's crimes were all premeditated and even after his supposed "reform", he never tried to make up for them. In fact, he only got worse and worse until his duel against Crow put him back on track. His "redeeming" moments until then were severely downplayed and few and far between, and at no moment did he allow himself to show anybody's else his good side face-to-face. Shinji's nice moments didn't last long either, but they were much clearer and emphasized than Shun's, and I dare say during the 5 episodes (59-63) we got to see the best of him he acted way better than Shun ever did during his entire run on the show - save for episode 82, maybe. We saw him openly treating his friends, children and even strangers like Yuya and the Lancers with respect and kindness and looking up to and cheering on Tokumatsu, not to mention his sense of comraderie towards his Common companions is much more explicitly showcased than Shun's, from whom we only got his anger at Yuya for Yuto's disappearance and his own words to take - hell, the only time we see both him and Shun truly interacting, they were bickering with each other, with Kurosaki proclaiming that if he'd have no mercy on him should he stand on his way! People nowadays forget the reason why Reira refused to duel Shinji in the first place was because he was kind to him. Not to mention we got to see how he developed into his antagonistic role, unlike Shun. Bear in mind that revolutions IRL and other kinds of struggle aiming to cause a big change at the established order hardly accomplish their goals without getting their hands dirty - even the colonists during the American Revolution and the Allies during World War II practiced their own share of crimes while fighting a greater evil, so take that in mind before demonizing Shinji's revolt. I do agree, though, that Sora has done much better than Shinji in terms of development, and thus, deserves more praise in that regard - I certainly won't dispute that. What I don't approve is when other fans deem Sora's crimes less serious than Shinji's - dedpite him admitting he and his comrades enjoyed hunting and killing people who never did anything wrong against even though they claim they're working for the benefit of all 4 dimensions - and treat him like a "poor-baby-who-did-nothing-wrong" while urging for Shinji to be punished for hurting Yuya even though Sora probably hurt the latter much more with his betrayal and involvement on the Obelisk Force invasion during the Battle Royale. That's typical of diabetes-fueled fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 ... while urging for Shinji to be punished for hurting Yuya even though Sora probably hurt the latter much more with his betrayal and involvement on the Obelisk Force invasion during the Battle Royale. That's typical of diabetes-fueled fans. Not to add fuel to the fire but was anyone "urging for Shinji to be punished"? Again, I don't think anyone here is really judging character likability vs their morals. ...As for the episode...Anyone else caught that kid saying "shivers" during the duel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I only used the Shinji/Sora comparison to illustrate my criticism - my point is that the audience, in general, presents a very messed-up double-standard mentality when it comes to City's denizens and more colorful villains like JMR and Sora, and one that doesn't extend only to the realm of fiction, judging offenders and condeming them based more on superficial aspects like charisma and woobie-ness than the true weight of their actions. The main complaint is precisely that people's attitude in regards to fiction isn't as far from reality as they might claim. The line between the two spheres isn't as thick as most say, IMO.No, there is a definitive line. Vector, Yami Bakura, Yami Marik. Likable villains, though you surely want them to lose. They're all demons or the equivalent thereof, but it's still fun to watch them, and wish for them to lose. But you still enjoy the journey to their downfall. Then there are villains like Umbridge, from Harry Potter, who is plain hated for being a jabroni. She's not likable, she's not well written, she's just a jabroni. JMR falls into the former. Yes, he's funking evil, but he's evil in a way that is entertaining to watch, and you want to see what all happens. Fiction gives us an outlet to experience things that we never could in real life. It's why series like Death Note did well; We get to explore morality and see the effects of power on people without being corrupted. Part of entertainment IS that morality, and we really don't get anything of the sort from a character like Shinji. He's just blind rage. Reasonable as a HUMAN, yes, but that does NOT make it entertaining to watch. Would you be friends with someone like that? This is a form of entertainment. There is no reason to force real-life onto it. There is a line. Can we use magical spirits in real life You just seem to ignore the fact that NO ONE COMPARES JMR OR SORA TO THE CITIZENS. The only person that does so is you, and you do it in an attempt to form a righteous argument, which fails miserably. The fact that you call Sora a villain is laughable, as well, as he's very clearly not. He took an antagonistic role for one arc, but he's meant to be a protagonist with a wavering path before him. He made a mistake, and now he's trying to figure it all out. Now, how is Shinji worse than Shun? He didn't card any innocent person, as far as we know. You can speculate as much as you want, but the fact remains he didn't - even if he felt tempted to do so, given the chance, that doesn't mean he'd go through with that. You can't judge a person based on the crimes they might've committed, only on the ones they already have. He may preach that Tops must be dethroned at any cost, but that doesn't mean he'd have the guts to go and kill one of them personally, much less an unrelated party. And the way I see it, the only reason why Shinji resorted to that dirty trick was out of despair that his revolution wouldn't happen and the Commons' situation would remain the same - few people as desperate as he was at that moment would be able to keep their cool long enough to realize that wasn't the best course of action - the fact JMR was easily able to point out the flaws on his accusation should make it clear he wasn't exactly on his right mind.blahblahblah You're only proving my points. A. You refuse to understand writing a character =/= being a realistic person. Shun has shown at least some development, and while he may not be a saint by any means, he didn't go out of his way to drag someone down for the hell of it. Remember Tsukikage? Someone unrelated to the tops? Yeah, we'll revisit this. B. You keep trying to use morality as an argument here. It's not. I tried to make the case that Shinji is also morally questionable to show you the flaw in your argument, and all you've done is attempt to staunchly defend it with a rant about how his actions must be understandable, which takes us back to A. The fact that he wasn't in his right mind doesn't change anything. Shun and Sora, for example, also were not in their right minds. Sora had a psychotic break and a wounded ego, after being treated as the best of his group for ages, and Shun lost funking everything, so he's in a near constant state of duress. AS the kids pointed out, these are not excuses, and they should be better, but that's what development is for, and Sora's showing that. Also note that he WAS going to resign to his defeat, more or less, until Roget came and deliberately pushed the wrong buttons on him and the Common audience.yeah no He was salty as funk, it only grew when JMR appeared. It was still there. And think about how he treated Tsukikage like an enemy, despite the latter going "Wtf bro i'm not your enemy". Meanwhile, while equally fueled by rage, Shun's crimes were all premeditated and even after his supposed "reform", he never tried to make up for them. In fact, he only got worse and worse until his duel against Crow put him back on track. His "redeeming" moments until then were severely downplayed and few and far between, and at no moment did he allow himself to show anybody's else his good side face-to-face. Shinji's nice moments didn't last long either, but they were much clearer and emphasized than Shun's, and I dare say during the 5 episodes (59-63) we got to see the best of him he acted way better than Shun ever did during his entire run on the show - save for episode 82, maybe. We saw him openly treating his friends, children and even strangers like Yuya and the Lancers with respect and kindness and looking up to and cheering on Tokumatsu, not to mention his sense of comraderie towards his Common companions is much more explicitly showcased than Shun's, from whom we only got his anger at Yuya for Yuto's disappearance and his own words to take - hell, the only time we see both him and Shun truly interacting, they were bickering with each other, with Kurosaki proclaiming that if he'd have no mercy on him should he stand on his way!wat oh and more blahblahblah morality applied to a character who is reasonably lacking, even if i think most of his execution has been poor We saw like 2 scenes with shinji being nice, then him being brusque at best in the facility, followed by complete bundle of rage. You have in no way refuted my points here. People nowadays forget the reason why Reira refused to duel Shinji in the first place was because he was kind to him. Not to mention we got to see how he developed into his antagonistic role, unlike Shun.To cover the Reira point... so what? Wow, he was a decent human being one time, we should believe that's who he truly is! We didn't see him develop into it. He just suddenl;y turned into an jabroni against Tsukikage. Bear in mind that revolutions IRL and other kinds of struggle aiming to cause a big change at the established order hardly accomplish their goals without getting their hands dirty - even the colonists during the American Revolution and the Allies during World War II practiced their own share of crimes while fighting a greater evil, so take that in mind before demonizing Shinji's revolt.I made an IRL point. You ignored it. However, real life is NOT writing. It doesn't matter if he's realistic (Which is a problem shun has had), he's still a funking prick who suddenly turned on everyone bar Crow and the other 2 nameless fucks. He's still antagonized people he had no reason to, acted like a "triggered" victim on tumblr. I do agree, though, that Sora has done much better than Shinji in terms of development, and thus, deserves more praise in that regard - I certainly won't dispute that. What I don't approve is when other fans deem Sora's crimes less serious than Shinji's - dedpite him admitting he and his comrades enjoyed hunting and killing people who never did anything wrong against even though they claim they're working for the benefit of all 4 dimensions - and treat him like a "poor-baby-who-did-nothing-wrong" while urging for Shinji to be punished for hurting Yuya even though Sora probably hurt the latter much more with his betrayal and involvement on the Obelisk Force invasion during the Battle Royale. That's typical of diabetes-fueled fans.that's not what it is at all You keep making statements like "Shinji deserves punishment!" or "Sora isn't a criminal!".... these are thoughts you keep throwing out that NO PERSON HAS SAID. You're trying to make an argument in morality, but you can't even address the points. It's strawman at best. No one is saying Sora's innocent, or that Shinji deserves to burn. They're saying Shinji's a funking jabroni and Sora is trying to change. Argue based on what people actually say, or don't argue at all, because your high horse morality kick is seriously old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Interesting bit of trivia about today's episode. >Jean-Michel: Switch from course point DD05 to G10.>Jean-Michel: Switch from course point ZL02 to DD05 = 5D's. The 5 and Ds.G10 = GX. X is the roman numeral for 10.ZL02 = Zexal. First and last initial of the title. The 02probably means Zexal is divided into two partsDM01 = DM. Shortcut for first YGO series and 01meaning being the first one. Found it in /a/, and saw something similar in NAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizardonx Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I find it odd how if Serena does win here none of her onscreen wins would be legit. Dennis deliberately held back.She had like 10 people rush in to bail her out vs Obelisk forceNow if she wins here it's because Jean cheated for her. Seriously no one else needs so much help from the external factors to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Interesting bit of trivia about today's episode. >Jean-Michel: Switch from course point DD05 to G10.>Jean-Michel: Switch from course point ZL02 to DD05 = 5D's. The 5 and Ds.G10 = GX. X is the roman numeral for 10.ZL02 = Zexal. First and last initial of the title. The 02probably means Zexal is divided into two partsDM01 = DM. Shortcut for first YGO series and 01meaning being the first one. Found it in /a/, and saw something similar in NAC. I did notice the DM01 one when reading through the script and did honestly think "Duel Monsters", but I didn't really look through the others at all. That is quite amusing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 [spoiler=84 thoughts]Roger's helping Serena cheat by giving her a field with Action Cards, then switching Yugo onto ones that don't.Bad enough that Yugo had to change to manual mode to avoid changes. Seriously Roger, keep your hands out of the duel. Kaitorappazuru is sorta meh, and Trap Card is bad. Scene with Yugo and Serena before the duel was funny to watch. Oh yeah, and Yugo gets a new Synchro in two weeks.This should be interesting. Not to add fuel to the fire but was anyone "urging for Shinji to be punished"? Again, I don't think anyone here is really judging character likability vs their morals. ...As for the episode...Anyone else caught that kid saying "shivers" during the duel?1. No, but he was a sore loser at the end of his match with Yuya and arbitrarily assumed Yuya was affiliated with Roger, even though he technically isn't.If he was less salty about it and used his brain to think about the situation, then maybe we'd still have some respect for Shinji (albeit not very much). But at present, he went out on a bad note. 2. Oh, I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 http://animeonline.lol/yu-gi-oh-arc-v-episode-84 Subs are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 http://animeonline.lol/yu-gi-oh-arc-v-episode-84 Subs are out.And I just watched the Raw too, dammit I think after this episode Yugo is my favourite charcter in Arc-V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 And I just watched the Raw too, dammit I think after this episode Yugo is my favourite charcter in Arc-V He's been my favorite since Sawatari stopped being funny (though he got better in their duel). Remember when we thought Yugo was going to be the evil Yu before Yuri was revealed? PFFFFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Ok, you're right about morality not coming in first place when it's about writing a character; sorry for being pain in the ass because of that.Personally, though, I still think the few moments we got of Shinji behaving like a decent person and showcasing his background still gave him more depth than Shun ever got for most of the series; it also helps that we've got more insight on how he came to be the extremist he's today (the awful life he had to endure as a Common, the injustices committed against his loved ones, his concern over his children), while we're still in the dark as to why Shun is so much more paranoid, ruthless and overall jerk-ish than his fellow Resistance member Yuto. If we got to learn the true extent of Shun's trauma (e.g.: his parents dying, a friend selling him to Academia's soldiers, etc.), specially the importance Ruri's got in his life (besides her being his sister, which doesn't tell a lot about their actual relationship), then I could relate to him more, but as it is... the fact we've been exposed to Kurosaki's edginess for far longer than Shinji's self-righteousness, and that his softer moments (save for episode 82) didn't stand out as much as Bee Boy's doesn't help either. In sum: both were awful, but at least Shinji got a little more development to allow me to sympathize with his struggle and understand his faults. I'll admit that Shun's development on episode 82 earned him lots of points over Shinji on the likeabilty department, though, even if it felt a little shoehorned.And while it's true nobody here said any of those things, I've had the misfortune of meeting plenty of fans with that kind of mentality elsewhere, sugarcoating Sora and Dennis' actions, for example, while praying for Academia to invade the Synchro Dimension as soon as possible and kill everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 And while it's true nobody here said any of those things, I've had the misfortune of meeting plenty of fans with that kind of mentality elsewhere, sugarcoating Sora and Dennis' actions, for example, while praying for Academia to invade the Synchro Dimension as soon as possible and kill everyone. I think a lot of that is just hoping the sheer shock of being invaded by such a dangerous enemy will give the Synchro DImension a collective reality check, and they'll hopefully stop being such massive bastards, more than wanting them to actually die. That applies to me, at least, as that's a positive outcome I see happening from an Academia invasion. WOrked in Standard, everyone was on board once they learned about the conflict (though that's partially due to how it was presented to them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Now I cry because because of 2 week cliffhangers.To be fair, this has been the case since 2012, no yugioh episode on the first Sunday of December so I'm not at all surprised about the break tbph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconus297 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 That next-episode preview:CRYSTAL WING.I have no idea why, but that name is beautiful. Without knowing anything about it, I want the card. Also, what will its abbreviation be, I wonder? Back on topic, it makes sense that Serena would need a plot crutch when you consider that she hasn't Dueled much- she doesn't have the experience everyone else does. She's smart, her strategy is solid, but Yugo has a point- she hasn't done much lateral thinking. She has one strategy for victory: Fusion beatsticks. Everyone else has at least one thing up their sleeve that goes beyond straightforward beatsticks:Yuya's Deck is a collection of gimmicks Yuzu has locks, effect damage, and a little negationShun has shown he has searching capacity and negation, as well as a little simple predictionTsukikage has effect damage and some negationEven Sawatari has shown he can think, especially once you consider that he's learned the ins and outs of at least four Decks. Serena's been locked up for the longest time, remember? Outside of drills and her one escape attempt, what experience could she have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 [spoiler=Thoughts on 84 Subbed]- So Yugo believes that Yuzu is dead from his line; "...and Yuzu in heaven" though he'll certainly be happy to see her alive when they next encounter each other. (Most likely underground I reckon)- Despite Serena saying that it's gross for Yugo to be staring at her and calling his behaviour disrespectful when he ignored her, she remarked that his duel against Mr What's-his-face (again this is intentional) was impressive, though after his first move, she'd certainly question that after making claims that he might've been going easy on her. - That being said, Yugo certainly got his act together when Rin reminded him of his strength; not knowing when to quit.- JMR tells his guys to pay attention to the movements of Serena's D-Wheel especially since he'd be relaying the lane changes to said D-Wheel before it happens so her D-Wheel can make the sudden turn.- Ofc I'd only notice the lane names when watching the subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 What I found interesting is that this episode showed that D-Wheels, or at least Yugo's, has a function where you can switch from auto-pilot to manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 What I found interesting is that this episode showed that D-Wheels, or at least Yugo's, has a function where you can switch from auto-pilot to manual.Are we sure he wasn't on manual the whole time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 He pressed something and "manual engaged" or something similar popped up on a screen so I'd say it wasn't on it the whole way no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Oh, ok. Didn't catch that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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