Yu-Gi-Oh! Arc-V

[Maeriberii Haan]

Hmm, looks like I might have to register at NAC if I want to see the scripts.

 

[spoiler=Reactions to that]

Now I know where that statement Crow made came from.

He was complaining about Rise Falcon.

 

Hey Crow, you're lucky that you didn't already get an established board up, because it is a lot worse if you do (because it can also ATTACK every single one of your monsters that were SS'd). Also, you know backrow exists, right? Oh wait, I probably should assume that the concept isn't fully understood in this reality.

 

Remind me if 5Ds Crow whined about stuff like this? I don't recall, even after going through the whole series again.

 

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Shun's still doing his usual thing about destroying Academia; little do you know that Sora is in the dimension at present.

We get that you want to kill Academia, Shun, especially after Dennis got revealed.

 

That, and Crow still being quick to judge Yuya's supposed relationship to the Tops.

 

Shun is just in the Lancers, so Reiji can keep tabs on him and prevent him from getting in the way of things.

He doesn't give a crap about the others (dk how he feels about Yuya at present though, even though Yuto tried to persuade him that he isn't an enemy), though suppose he did care about Yuzu after that incident.

 

Yuzu at least tries to tell the kids about Shun's situation, though they don't like it.

Look at this way; both Crow and Shun have had shitty lives, one grew up on the streets and another had his hometown blown up and comrades sealed into cards.

 

As for Yuya, let's see if he's smart enough to see through the lies.

 

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Next week is going to be even more anger-filled.

We shall see how Crow reacts if he loses; will he be filled with more salt like Shinji or be somewhat more dignified in accepting it?

 

 

 

ironically tony play the best backrow in the cup and he's a common. Regarding Yuzu and the kids...

 

[spoiler=kinda rant-ish but short]

The kids have a point, a big one, and it's meant not only for Shun, but to describe the entire arc.

Both the commons and Shun has shitty life. It's an infuriating situation, and they would be inclined to take it out at someone. This doesn't mean that doing so is acceptable.

Even if their background made it understandable for them to be doing so, in the end it made them unsympathetic. See how much people ended up caring for the commons now. The viewers could barely give a sheet to them since their actions made them insufferable.

Shinji acts as a sore loser last episode and lash out at Yuya, accusing him of being a Tops' dog with little evidence on his hands since he needed a scapegoat for his failure. His context and background makes it understandable for him to do so, but it doesn't make him sympathetic at all. Instead, the viewers plain hate his guts for it.

And lastly, Shun. He suffered a lot. He definitely suffered a lot. But he treat people that wanted to help him like crap, he doesn't even work well with Yuto (who was also in the same position of misfortune as him but far more sympathetic and rational), he carded innocent people for his goals, he dismissed people that genuinely wished to be his allies just since one of them ended up betraying them, and he even forget how these same people had saved his life.

 

Understandable? Yes. Does it make his actions acceptable. Hell no.

 

A sob story doesn't make someone less of an ass, and justifying being an ass due to a terrible upbringing won't give you any sympathies. This often happen in many shonen series, tbh. I mean, I dare to say the only reason why Shun's likable to people is due to his duels usually being good, at least on the visual side of things, and he's a badass.

 

I'm glad the arc-v writers actually realize this, and it shows in this episode. Shun being usual shun is one thing, but outright dismissing the rest of the Lancers on live TV and saying that they're his enemies too made him go too far.

 

Crow at least haven't gone this far yet, and even if he doubted Yuya, he at least kept it to himself for now. His speeches here are also more subdued than Shinji's, and while he kept on dismissing Shun's rants, it's not done in a way that's as spiteful or mocking as Shinji.

 

 

also

 

[spoiler=Next Episode]I really feel like Shun's going to lose unless something really surprising/aggravating happen. He's being set as the heel of this match, after all.

And Crow's honestly not being aggressive this episode tbh, definitely far from Shinji. It still left somewhat more to be desired, but he's not too blinded in rage.

Shun's just starting to get more and more irrational and paranoid now, and a loss to Crow would knock some sense on his head.

 

Also, tbf anime Rise Falcon is always described as something ridiculous. It's really just another jab taken at Shun by the writers in this episode.

 

As I mentioned earlier, the entire episode is made at Shun's expense.

 

[evilfusion]

[spoiler=Prediction]

I think Crow is going to win this one. And Yugo will probably beat Serena, assuming both matches conclude normally. Because to suit the Lancer's purpose of recruiting Synchro Dimension people, they need to find out who's most worthy.

 

Also, the writers are making Shun the butt of the meta jokes in this episode, so it seems like it's his turn to fall. He's also due for a defeat soon. Shun doesn't have anything further to add to the tournament arc now that Dennis is out of the picture. He's not a rival to the remaining participants. Crow still can be viewed as either a rival to Yuya due to their conflict and Shinji's accusations, or a scapegoat for Sergey to beat next round.

 

Assuming the tournament is not interrupted to any serious degree, my hunch is that the remaining 4 will be Sergey, Yuya, Yugo, and Crow. Sergey is JMR's ace in the hole, so he will probably be preserved for the final match. So either Yuya will duel Yugo (and Crow is Sergey's scapegoat) or Yuya Duels Crow since they have a score to settle yet, too, in which case I don't know what to expect from Yugo vs Sergey.

 

 

[mshends]

WellWell I'm glad someone posted the script, sorry for not posting it yesterday...

 

[spoiler=Raw 81]

- Duel is starting starting great at the moment, both Shun and Crow are using so many new cards huh...Can't wait to see what Shun's new xyz monster does (please, let it be a rank 7)

- I like the kids even more now after this episode, their conversation between Yuzu does raise a lot of interesting points bout Shun. The kids in the Synchro dimension are so much better than the kids in Standard...

- Roger is so going to get rejected by Yuya next episode... Yuya would never fall for his tricks...right?

 

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

WellWell I'm glad someone posted the script, sorry for not posting it yesterday...

 

[spoiler=Raw 81]

- Duel is starting starting great at the moment, both Shun and Crow are using so many new cards huh...Can't wait to see what Shun's new xyz monster does (please, let it be a rank 7)

- I like the kids even more now after this episode, their conversation between Yuzu does raise a lot of interesting points bout Shun. The kids in the Synchro dimension are so much better than the kids in Standard...

- Roger is so going to get rejected by Yuya next episode... Yuya would never fall for his tricks...right?

 

[spoiler=Response]

1. We'll have to see if Shun does get a Rank 7 (though it might not go well with Death Force); Shave Force might be fine though.

I'm more interested in seeing the Blackwing stuff.

 

3. Let's just watch and find out if Yuya can defend his ideals against Roger's persuasion. 

We can only hope that he has the smarts to know that Roger's toying with him, but again, there have been situations where that's questionable.

 

 

[Lizardonx]

[spoiler=preview]Is it just me or does the new Blackwing look like its wearing Armor master's armor?

 

It also seems like Crow is doing a synchro summon with all tuners for it.

 

[Pchi]

I see the Shinji x Shun conflict as a analogous to the Naruto x Sasuke situation: one had nothing to begin with, while the other had everything, but lost it on a blink. Both are intense, but different forms of suffering, and it makes no sense to compare the two of them.
BTW, sorry for that nasty comment about you switching from Shun to Shinji as your designated bad guy, but I find this to be a unfortunately common tendency among most human groups that oversimplifies things into a strictly black & white perspective.

[Headmaster Monokuma]

[spoiler=Analyzing Shun and Shinji]

 

Let me preface this by saying I have been keeping up with Arc-V for a while, and haven't commented until now because I was taking a leave of absence from YCM. It seems that my opinion on Shun and Shinji is similar to some that were already shared here, but I want to post this anyway.

 

Shun started out with potential. The idea of a rogue running around and causing trouble for LDS was something that could have developed much, much smoother than it did. Instead, we... Got bullshit, basically. His duel against the three LDS Students was literally one of the show's low moments, with how horrible that situation was and the amount of sheet he pulled during it. His first duel with Sora, while visually impressive sure, was bullshit as well. Sora carried that entire duel, and if it had been against anyone else, it wouldn't have been anywhere near watchable. As it was, it was already poorly done.

 

Not because it was unrealistic, but because the amount of hate that Shun was spewing just isn't good for watching. It doesn't make a character enjoyable. It doesn't matter if it's a hero, villain, or anywhere in between. Perfectly understandable, yes, but not a good character.

 

What makes a good character is depth. Something beyond the hatred. And that's what Shun should be developing. He was shown to have a sharp wit when it came to commenting on Reiji's first selection of Lancers. He was shown to be able to think critically later on and plan properly, even while retaining that... Well, edge. And while I haven't watched the newest epsiode, the ending of Shinji vs Yuya showed Shun in a position that hadn't been really shown much before. Anger, but not rage.

 

Anger and rage are two extremely different things. Anger is normal, anger is something that can be handled properly. Anger is the emotion, while rage is the reaction TO anger. Rage is often taken far beyond necessity, and that's what made Shun a nightmare to watch. It wasn't that he was angry, it's that he acted entirely in rage. Now that he's showing that the rage doesn't control him, he's slowly becoming more of a three dimensional character.

 

And this is where Shinji falls in. He's acting entirely in rage still. He isn't planning ahead, beyond bloodshed. And that's why he's the target now, instead of Shun. Shun is slowly developing, while Shinji is just taking up the mantel of rage.

 

 

 

[Pchi]

[spoiler=Analyzing Shun and Shinji]

 

Let me preface this by saying I have been keeping up with Arc-V for a while, and haven't commented until now because I was taking a leave of absence from YCM. It seems that my opinion on Shun and Shinji is similar to some that were already shared here, but I want to post this anyway.

 

Shun started out with potential. The idea of a rogue running around and causing trouble for LDS was something that could have developed much, much smoother than it did. Instead, we... Got bullshit, basically. His duel against the three LDS Students was literally one of the show's low moments, with how horrible that situation was and the amount of s*** he pulled during it. His first duel with Sora, while visually impressive sure, was bullshit as well. Sora carried that entire duel, and if it had been against anyone else, it wouldn't have been anywhere near watchable. As it was, it was already poorly done.

 

Not because it was unrealistic, but because the amount of hate that Shun was spewing just isn't good for watching. It doesn't make a character enjoyable. It doesn't matter if it's a hero, villain, or anywhere in between. Perfectly understandable, yes, but not a good character.

 

What makes a good character is depth. Something beyond the hatred. And that's what Shun should be developing. He was shown to have a sharp wit when it came to commenting on Reiji's first selection of Lancers. He was shown to be able to think critically later on and plan properly, even while retaining that... Well, edge. And while I haven't watched the newest epsiode, the ending of Shinji vs Yuya showed Shun in a position that hadn't been really shown much before. Anger, but not rage.

 

Anger and rage are two extremely different things. Anger is normal, anger is something that can be handled properly. Anger is the emotion, while rage is the reaction TO anger. Rage is often taken far beyond necessity, and that's what made Shun a nightmare to watch. It wasn't that he was angry, it's that he acted entirely in rage. Now that he's showing that the rage doesn't control him, he's slowly becoming more of a three dimensional character.

 

And this is where Shinji falls in. He's acting entirely in rage still. He isn't planning ahead, beyond bloodshed. And that's why he's the target now, instead of Shun. Shun is slowly developing, while Shinji is just taking up the mantel of rage.

 

 

 

[spoiler=Not really...]I'd say he went through a big regression last episode. You probably haven't watch it yet, but all those small cues from the episodes between his defeat of Dennis and the current one went down the drain with a single line.

 

[evilfusion]

I want to see how next episode turns out before really judging Shun further, because next episode's events might spark a massive shift in how his character may get viewed.

[Headmaster Monokuma]

[spoiler=Not really...]I'd say he went through a big regression last episode. You probably haven't watch it yet, but all those small cues from the episodes between his defeat of Dennis and the current one went down the drain with a single line.

 

 

[spoiler=Response]

 

Correct, I did say I haven't watched the newest episode at the moment. I prefer to wait for subs. If they're out, then I'll get to it soon.

 

As far as that goes, I was simply going by what had been shown up until the point. And even then, I wouldn't continue to judge Shun until the duel against Crow is complete so we can see how it affects his character.

 

[Pchi]

So, it appears there are some people out there who came to hate the Commons more than the Tops and want the latter to put the former in their places, according to my research... Are you freaking kidding me!?

For one, while the Commons as a whole may have revealed themselves to be quite nasty, at least we got to meet a few Commons with sympathetic qualities, whereas we can't say the same for the Tops, except perhaps for Melissa Claire, and even then, she didn't show nearly as much kindness as Yuugo, Crow or the kids, for instance.

Second, the Tops are the ones who are in charge of the screwed-up system that spreads the sick mentality the Commons bear, which they also hold SQUARED. And they don't even have the excuse of having a hard life to warrant them a bit of sympathy.

And third, while the Commons may have shown themselves to be hypocrites, the Tops are even worse in that respect, because they insist on telling everyone Commons and Tops they're equals holding the same rights and that anyone can get a good life as long as they work hard enough, in spite of how blatant is the discrimination against the Commons and the fact the Tops are purposefully holding them back and spreading discord among them so that they won't be able to ascend as a class. The whole purpose of the Friendship Cup and Jack’s role as King is to hide the disparities between Tops and Commons, for crying out loud!

I don't care how much writing rules for sympathy might be in play in this case, that's just dumb. Absolutely dumb.

[Maeriberii Haan]

I mean both are completely horrible.

 

Commons are gullible idiot fools that wanted to rage against the tops but never really bothered to do so, all bark and no bites. They're also deeply hypocritical and they're quite bloodlust. They're also easy to scapegoat their condition on anyone they see as acceptable target.

 

Tops are smug elitist jerks that is very insensitive to the commons' plight and condition. Flaunting their riches, they view commons as socially undesirable, and breed the current commons' mentality just to save their asses from a potential future report. They also use the Security to oppress them.

 

Neither sides are sympathetic by any means.

 

meanwhile roget wants to bring egao to the city and unite it. Ofc he's the best side to choose. Roget for City #2016!

[evilfusion]

So, it appears there are some people out there who came to hate the Commons more than the Tops and want the latter to put the former in their places, according to my research... Are you freaking kidding me!?

For one, while the Commons as a whole may have revealed themselves to be quite nasty, at least we got to meet a few Commons with sympathetic qualities, whereas we can't say the same for the Tops, except perhaps for Melissa Claire, and even then, she didn't show nearly as much kindness as Yuugo, Crow or the kids, for instance.

Second, the Tops are the ones who are in charge of the screwed-up system that spreads the sick mentality the Commons bear, which they also bear up to eleven. And they don't even have the excuse of having a hard life to warrant them a bit of sympathy.

And third, while the Commons may have shown themselves to be hypocrites, the Tops are even worse in that respect, because they insist on telling everyone Commons and Tops they're equals holding the same rights and that anyone can get a good life as long as they work hard enough, in spite of how blatant is the discrimination against the Commons and the fact the Tops are purposefully holding them back and spreading discord among them so that they won't be able to ascend as a class.

I don't care how much writing rules for sympathy might be in play in this case, that's just dumb. Absolutely dumb.

 

There's actually a simple reason for this - A large number of the viewers are PROBABLY comfortably well-off from a financial standpoint. They cannot relate to the Tops' luxurious lifestyle, but see the appeal. They cannot relate to the Commons' poverty-stricken lifestyle, either. Similar to the Tops, they become indifferent to the plight of the Commons because it's not their problem.

 

Bear in mind that I do not support the view of Tops should put Commons "in their place", I'm merely commenting on the mentality behind it.

 

But they can relate to why the Tops wouldn't want to lose their own privilege and luxury to give the Commons equality. Who would want to sacrifice their own wealth, status, and privilege just so some poor people can be happier. Poor people who've (from the eyes of the Tops/rich) done nothing to earn this.

 

It reminds me now of how the poverty status works elsewhere. There are people who GENUINELY need support to survive. They have access to welfare in some form. But there are ALSO people on welfare who COULD get a job, but they're content with the constant welfare, so they never do. These people are usually condemned by the middle and upper class for being parasites and evidence that the welfare system is wasting its time and money, regardless of the accuracy of this claim.

 

But remove the welfare thing, but keep the comparison in mind. Why would the Tops want to just sacrifice their money and resources to help people who, as far as they know, will be good-for-nothing cretins that do nothing for the society? In a society where the ideal is that working hard, getting lucky, etc will eventually lead to promotion of class, and failure is punished, there's no point to balancing this out for nothing in exchange.

 

The Commons are more noble than the Tops because they're all struggling to survive, but Shinji and Crow are looking out for children. In the grand scheme of things, children are the ones who suffer the most from the system, because they can't change anything. Adults CAN. Adults can work hard, they can meet influential people, they can all do SOMETHING to change their own destinies, even if they fail, or if it takes time. They can also become content with the life they have, just like regular people in the real world can. It may be a struggle at times, but it can be endured and be comfortable enough.

 

Children cannot. They're children. They can't work. They can't do many of the things an adult can. The fact Shinji and Crow support children in addition to themselves speaks of their noble ambitions. They know children are the most in need, and they devote resources for the children's comfort and satisfaction. Crow explicitly tells the children NOT to do illegal things like stealing, because that only causes more trouble and hardship than the struggle alone (and probably ruins your future prospects in the City).

 

Thing is, we don't see much of the Tops' views, other than they're anxious about Shinji's cries for revolution. Understandably, too. You're essentially watching a sports game where one of the players grabs a microphone and starts urging the general population to kill you and your family, or your friends' families, due to the fact you have money and they don't.

 

The reason viewers might be hating on the Commons is not because the Commons or Tops are super-sympathetic and the others are monsters. It's that the Commons are the ones screaming about wanting change and inequality and such, and they (the viewers) are sick of hearing about it.

 

It's similar to RL, when one group is wronged and cries out for a change in the system. But the issue is too great to be solved that way. The more the issue is shoved in your face, when it's not specifically your problem, the more you resent it. I'm sick of hearing news stories about topic X. I gradually stop caring about the issue entirely because it's too massive, it's not specifically my problem, and it's been shoved in my face so many times that it's obnoxious and grating.

 

The Tops aren't shoving an issue in our faces. Therefore, some viewers probably want to side with them, because they can't relate to the Commons' suffering and they're sick of hearing about how the Commons have such a sucky life, but nothing can actually change it.

[Pchi]

There's actually a simple reason for this - A large number of the viewers are PROBABLY comfortably well-off from a financial standpoint. They cannot relate to the Tops' luxurious lifestyle, but see the appeal. They cannot relate to the Commons' poverty-stricken lifestyle, either. Similar to the Tops, they become indifferent to the plight of the Commons because it's not their problem.

 

Bear in mind that I do not support the view of Tops should put Commons "in their place", I'm merely commenting on the mentality behind it.

 

But they can relate to why the Tops wouldn't want to lose their own privilege and luxury to give the Commons equality. Who would want to sacrifice their own wealth, status, and privilege just so some poor people can be happier. Poor people who've (from the eyes of the Tops/rich) done nothing to earn this.

 

It reminds me now of how the poverty status works elsewhere. There are people who GENUINELY need support to survive. They have access to welfare in some form. But there are ALSO people on welfare who COULD get a job, but they're content with the constant welfare, so they never do. These people are usually condemned by the middle and upper class for being parasites and evidence that the welfare system is wasting its time and money, regardless of the accuracy of this claim.

 

But remove the welfare thing, but keep the comparison in mind. Why would the Tops want to just sacrifice their money and resources to help people who, as far as they know, will be good-for-nothing cretins that do nothing for the society? In a society where the ideal is that working hard, getting lucky, etc will eventually lead to promotion of class, and failure is punished, there's no point to balancing this out for nothing in exchange.

 

The Commons are more noble than the Tops because they're all struggling to survive, but Shinji and Crow are looking out for children. In the grand scheme of things, children are the ones who suffer the most from the system, because they can't change anything. Adults CAN. Adults can work hard, they can meet influential people, they can all do SOMETHING to change their own destinies, even if they fail, or if it takes time. They can also become content with the life they have, just like regular people in the real world can. It may be a struggle at times, but it can be endured and be comfortable enough.

 

Children cannot. They're children. They can't work. They can't do many of the things an adult can. The fact Shinji and Crow support children in addition to themselves speaks of their noble ambitions. They know children are the most in need, and they devote resources for the children's comfort and satisfaction. Crow explicitly tells the children NOT to do illegal things like stealing, because that only causes more trouble and hardship than the struggle alone (and probably ruins your future prospects in the City).

 

Thing is, we don't see much of the Tops' views, other than they're anxious about Shinji's cries for revolution. Understandably, too. You're essentially watching a sports game where one of the players grabs a microphone and starts urging the general population to kill you and your family, or your friends' families, due to the fact you have money and they don't.

 

The reason viewers might be hating on the Commons is not because the Commons or Tops are super-sympathetic and the others are monsters. It's that the Commons are the ones screaming about wanting change and inequality and such, and they (the viewers) are sick of hearing about it.

 

It's similar to RL, when one group is wronged and cries out for a change in the system. But the issue is too great to be solved that way. The more the issue is shoved in your face, when it's not specifically your problem, the more you resent it. I'm sick of hearing news stories about topic X. I gradually stop caring about the issue entirely because it's too massive, it's not specifically my problem, and it's been shoved in my face so many times that it's obnoxious and grating.

 

The Tops aren't shoving an issue in our faces. Therefore, some viewers probably want to side with them, because they can't relate to the Commons' suffering and they're sick of hearing about how the Commons have such a sucky life, but nothing can actually change it.

Wow, I wasn't going to go THAT far, and I lean more towards the left-wing. My actual theory was that, since the show is focusing more on the Commons and their misdeeds now, the viewers tend to forget about the Tops' wrongdoings and start bashing the former ones XD But your analysis does hold a lot of water, however, I sincerely hope the fans know better.

[Hexanort]

sice both tops and commons are horrible, and yuya's egao unification is not realistic, i guess the best outcome is to have academia invade and destroy the the city , giving them chance to restart all over....or not

 

[spoiler=81]

Anger duel of Shun vs Crow is just ridiculous......i cant understand why is shun hostile to everyone....its not like he's ever betrayed by anyone (at least that was shown in the show), he never believed dennis in the first place.... and crow is angry because....shinji is defeated? its a tournament...of course there'll be winner and loser, i cant buy that he belives yuya is on the top's side just because roger suddenly approached him, crow should be the smart character, he should know yuya after spending some time during their first encounter...

 

i still cant get over how bad arc V crow and assault blackwing is....crow never struggled to summon LV7 with normal BW...now he need to climb synchro to even reach that....and he's complaining about rise falcon being broken? he faced 2 aesir and even 15k atk granel and never once complained about them.... 

 

and finally i still cant understand roger's plan....he's asking yuya to continue winning in the tournament and defeating jack....that's basically the whole purpose of the tournament...so what would he gain? he's not even offering yuya anything....and he expect yuya to take on his side after defeating jack?

 

 

 

[Maeriberii Haan]

sice both tops and commons are horrible, and yuya's egao unification is not realistic, i guess the best outcome is to have academia invade and destroy the the city , giving them chance to restart all over....or not

 

[spoiler=81]

Anger duel of Shun vs Crow is just ridiculous......i cant understand why is shun hostile to everyone....its not like he's ever betrayed by anyone (at least that was shown in the show), he never believed dennis in the first place.... and crow is angry because....shinji is defeated? its a tournament...of course there'll be winner and loser, i cant buy that he belives yuya is on the top's side just because roger suddenly approached him, crow should be the smart character, he should know yuya after spending some time during their first encounter...

 

i still cant get over how bad arc V crow and assault blackwing is....crow never struggled to summon LV7 with normal BW...now he need to climb synchro to even reach that....and he's complaining about rise falcon being broken? he faced 2 aesir and even 15k atk granel and never once complained about them.... 

 

and finally i still cant understand roger's plan....he's asking yuya to continue winning in the tournament and defeating jack....that's basically the whole purpose of the tournament...so what would he gain? he's not even offering yuya anything....and he expect yuya to take on his side after defeating jack?

 

 

 

 

[spoiler=Reply]

Jean wanted a strong duelist on his side and place them as the King, replacing Jack. He couldn't unify the Commons nor the Tops from his position as the boss of Security, so he need a symbol that he could use to unify everyone to defend the City from Academia, while he wrestle control of the place from the Council.

 

Roger's asking Yuya to keep winning for him, by showing that he also desired to change the City in the way Yuya would like if he did win. He's expecting Yuya to side with him for now, exploiting his distressed state after being scapegoated by the Commons. He's been grooming Yuya since the start, even if he's unaware of it. From choosing him to face Jack in the exhibition match, then facing him with 227 and the reality of the City, etc. The commons are actually right in that Yuya's already acting as Jean's puppet, but the kid's still unaware of it, and Jean still need to make sure that Yuya would actually take his side when he become King.

 

Also, don't forget that Jean's previous King candidate (Sergey) ended up being deemed as too unstable by him. And he probably figure out that someone as idealistic as Yuya would do him more good in uniting the city and preparing it for Academia's invasion.

 

Other things he's offering is the safety of Yuzu and Serena, and he also used Reiji and Reira as hostage, kinda. That's his side of the deal.

 

 

[En.]

sice both tops and commons are horrible, and yuya's egao unification is not realistic, i guess the best outcome is to have academia invade and destroy the the city , giving them chance to restart all over....or not

 

[spoiler=81]

Anger duel of Shun vs Crow is just ridiculous......i cant understand why is shun hostile to everyone....its not like he's ever betrayed by anyone (at least that was shown in the show), he never believed dennis in the first place.... and crow is angry because....shinji is defeated? its a tournament...of course there'll be winner and loser, i cant buy that he belives yuya is on the top's side just because roger suddenly approached him, crow should be the smart character, he should know yuya after spending some time during their first encounter...

 

i still cant get over how bad arc V crow and assault blackwing is....crow never struggled to summon LV7 with normal BW...now he need to climb synchro to even reach that....and he's complaining about rise falcon being broken? he faced 2 aesir and even 15k atk granel and never once complained about them.... 

 

and finally i still cant understand roger's plan....he's asking yuya to continue winning in the tournament and defeating jack....that's basically the whole purpose of the tournament...so what would he gain? he's not even offering yuya anything....and he expect yuya to take on his side after defeating jack?

 

 

 

 

mfw comparing 5D's Crow to Arc-V Crow

[spoiler=]

Different stories, different context, different cards.

 

Also that duel was filled with rage, you can tell that Kurosaki is becoming more hostile each duel. It's actually showing how weak and impotent he feels towards everyone else, and the only one who ever believed in him (and to knock the s*** out of him when he got out of control) is trapped inside a pseudo clown with delusional circus complexes.

 

The only thing I liked about this episode was the kids' dialogues. Just because you went through s*** doesn't mean you gotta be an a****** to everyone else.

 

 

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

sice both tops and commons are horrible, and yuya's egao unification is not realistic, i guess the best outcome is to have academia invade and destroy the the city , giving them chance to restart all over....or not

 

[spoiler=81]

Anger duel of Shun vs Crow is just ridiculous......i cant understand why is shun hostile to everyone....its not like he's ever betrayed by anyone (at least that was shown in the show), he never believed dennis in the first place.... and crow is angry because....shinji is defeated? its a tournament...of course there'll be winner and loser, i cant buy that he belives yuya is on the top's side just because roger suddenly approached him, crow should be the smart character, he should know yuya after spending some time during their first encounter...

 

i still cant get over how bad arc V crow and assault blackwing is....crow never struggled to summon LV7 with normal BW...now he need to climb synchro to even reach that....and he's complaining about rise falcon being broken? he faced 2 aesir and even 15k atk granel and never once complained about them.... 

 

and finally i still cant understand roger's plan....he's asking yuya to continue winning in the tournament and defeating jack....that's basically the whole purpose of the tournament...so what would he gain? he's not even offering yuya anything....and he expect yuya to take on his side after defeating jack?

 

 

 

Well, the Academia invasion would show that whatever Yuzu/Yugo (and Yuya, to an extent) was indeed true, but whether or not that would change the class system is unknown.

Likely not though.

 

But yeah, the City's structure is screwed up.

 

Most of the Commons complain that sheet is broken, but they don't do anything about it (bar for Jack and Crow/Shinji, albeit using a more violent method).

Tops are the ones who suppress them, and they certainly act like bastards at times.

 

evilfusion already explained this, so not saying much more.

 

[spoiler=other stuff]

1. Shun's been an jabroni/ball of rage since his appearance. Heck, he still doesn't care for Reiji, hence why he has to be kept on a leash at times before he ruins things.

Only person he cares about is Yuto and Ruri; former is inside Yuya after losing to Yugo, and latter got taken by Yuri.

 

Hell, I can assume that Shun doesn't care too much about Yuya either, most likely because he still believes Yuya had something to do with his loss.

Although Yuya was partly responsible, since he stopped Yuto from attacking and that attack might've given him the victory.

 

Crow is pissed because he thinks Yuya was sent by the Tops to do their dirty work, although I would think Yuya told him during their first encounter that they hail from another dimension. That, and the dimensional war and finding Yuzu. Though, as Nai mentioned, Yuya is technically being used by the Tops, although he doesn't know that at present.

 

2. This is a different Crow from the one we know/love in 5Ds.

As much as we'd wish he use proper BW support cards, they want to make him a distinct entity, even if they give him subpar cards.

 

But yeah, Rise Falcon is tame compared to the Nordic Gods and Machine Emperors.

He's lucky that he only had one monster, because it's a lot worse if he did swarm by then.

 

Of course, he/kids does have a point about Shun's remarks.

Crow's had a shitty life, compounded with taking care of stray kids. 

 

Sure, he hasn't gotten his home blown up or seen his friends carded, but that doesn't mean his life is any worse.

 

3. We can only hope Yuya does have the hindsight to know that he is indeed a pawn in Roger's grand scheme of things,

 

 

 

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Ah yes, the subs are up now:

 

http://www.gogoanime.com/yu-gi-oh-arc-v-episode-81

[~Faytl~]

 

Although Yuya was partly responsible, since he stopped Yuto from attacking and that attack might've given him the victory.

 

 

I actually re watched that duel recently, I realized, I don't think it would have mattered if Yuto HAD attacked. Reason for that, Yugo still had 3-Eyed Dice in his graveyard, which is basically a Necro Gardna. Clear Wing would have survived the turn.

[~British Soul~]

Finally got around to watching the subs. (The site I watched it on got the subs quite late given they've been up on gogoanime since yesterday)

 

[spoiler=Thoughts on 81 Subbed]

- Melissa explains that it'd be troublesome if a certain someone (so Sergey then) were to destroy a long course, with JMR replying that the expense would be nothing from the funding of the tops.

- Crow calling Rise Falcon broken was quite laughable.

- JMR told Yuya that the winner of Kurosaki/Crow could be his next opponent. (Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if Crow wins tbqh) He also wants Yuya to join his side and defeat Jack (who JMR deems unsuitable) so he can rule the City, but winning the tournament and defeating Jack was point in the first place so I don't see what JMR would gain, having said that I hope Yuya has the hindsight to see that he's simply a pawn in JMR's plan.

 

- Figured the "Phantom Synchro" technique would Synchro from the Graveyard, I did say that a couple of times. (between the previews being posted and watching the RAW)

 

 

[evilfusion]

Finally got around to watching the subs. (The site I watched it on got the subs quite late given they've been up on gogoanime since yesterday)

 

[spoiler=Thoughts on 81 Subbed]

- Melissa explains that it'd be troublesome if a certain someone (so Sergey then) were to destroy a long course, with JMR replying that the expense would be nothing from the funding of the tops.

- Crow calling Rise Falcon broken was quite laughable.

- JMR told Yuya that the winner of Kurosaki/Crow could be his next opponent. (Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if Crow wins tbqh) He also wants Yuya to join his side and defeat Jack (who JMR deems unsuitable) so he can rule the City, but winning the tournament and defeating Jack was point in the first place so I don't see what JMR would gain, having said that I hope Yuya has the hindsight to see that he's simply a pawn in JMR's plan.

 

- Figured the "Phantom Synchro" technique would Synchro from the Graveyard, I did say that a couple of times. (between the previews being posted and watching the RAW)

 

 

 

The "certain someone" who might destroy the course is obviously Shun. The reason they can't use the stadium is because Shun trashed it with Satellite Cannon Falcon. And Shun is Dueling now, so they switched courses again.

[~British Soul~]

The "certain someone" who might destroy the course is obviously Shun. The reason they can't use the stadium is because Shun trashed it with Satellite Cannon Falcon. And Shun is Dueling now, so they switched courses again.

[spoiler=Response]

Derp, though to be fair, I only assumed Sergey because of how brutal he was against Yuzu, though that was nothing compared to the destruction caused by the Shun/Dennis duel.

 

 

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

[spoiler=81 sub thoughts]

Way to give the middle finger to everyone in this show, Shun. With that one statement, you pretty give zero fucks about anyone but Ruri, Yuto and your friends back in Xyz (who are supposedly either carded by now, or trying to survive).

 

Just because Dennis was an Academia agent, it doesn't mean that every single person that is not from Xyz is your enemy.

Well, Roger is an Academia agent, but you probably know that by now.

 

That, and you being an jabroni towards Crow about is life. No wonder Reiji has to keep you on a leash; if let go, you'd just kill everyone in your path for no apparent reason.

 

Yeah, we get that your life is shittier than his is (well, getting your home blown up and friends carded), but give Crow and the kids a break, will you?

Just because they didn't have their houses blown up, doesn't mean they had less of a hard time surviving on their own.

 

They had nothing to begin with (or very little of it), but they survived up until now.

 

Save your damn rage for Yuri and the real Fusion folk, Shun.

It's really unbecoming of you in this episode to backstab people who helped you. 

 

For those of you who said that we're giving favor to Shun because he isn't totally a rage-filled balloon, I never said I forgave him for his rage episodes.

After that comment, I'm probably not going to.

 

At least Shinji still had beliefs in the other Commons, despite inciting them to start a rebellion [or trying to].

He had that little salt episode afterwards, yes, but he didn't verbally give them the middle finger. (He did this to the Tops, but we know he doesn't like them for reasons).

 

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Now, to Crow.

You're lucky that you only had 1 monster on-board at the time of Rise Falcon's summoning; things would've been worse, had you summoned more.

 

Otherwise, Rise isn't broken.

Just prepare backrow or just don't Special Summon, and anime Rise will be weak.

 

Of course, you can probably say that Rapid Xyz is kind of broken, since it allowed Rise to trigger its stat booster in battle (and its effect is normally activated during the Main Phase).

Yeah, Urgent Tuning exists, but it's slower.

 

(Unlike Shinji though, at least you aren't trying to incite a rebellion, which is nice.)

 

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As for Yuya, let's see if you can see through Roger's deception and figure out what he really wants.

He did outright tell you that you're part of his plans; as to what that is, we don't know.

 

Just realize that he only cares about you for the sake of that plan.

 

 

 

Well, less on the duel itself and more on the mentality of certain characters.

Think my RAW thoughts sum up those parts.

 

(And yeah, some stuff about Shun's remarks)

[~British Soul~]

 

 

[spoiler=81 sub thoughts]

Well, Roger is an Academia agent, but you probably know that by now.

 

 

[spoiler=Response]

Actually, I don't think Shun knows that JMR is an Academia agent yet.

 

 

[Aman Indra]

[spoiler=81 sub thoughts]

Way to give the middle finger to everyone in this show, Shun. With that one statement, you pretty give zero f***s about anyone but Ruri, Yuto and your friends back in Xyz (who are supposedly either carded by now, or trying to survive).

 

Just because Dennis was an Academia agent, it doesn't mean that every single person that is not from Xyz is your enemy.

Well, Roger is an Academia agent, but you probably know that by now.

 

That, and you being an a****** towards Crow about is life. No wonder Reiji has to keep you on a leash; if let go, you'd just kill everyone in your path for no apparent reason.

 

Yeah, we get that your life is shittier than his is (well, getting your home blown up and friends carded), but give Crow and the kids a break, will you?

Just because they didn't have their houses blown up, doesn't mean they had less of a hard time surviving on their own.

 

They had nothing to begin with (or very little of it), but they survived up until now.

 

Save your damn rage for Yuri and the real Fusion folk, Shun.

It's really unbecoming of you in this episode to backstab people who helped you. 

 

For those of you who said that we're giving favor to Shun because he isn't totally a rage-filled balloon, I never said I forgave him for his rage episodes.

After that comment, I'm probably not going to.

 

At least Shinji still had beliefs in the other Commons, despite inciting them to start a rebellion [or trying to].

He had that little salt episode afterwards, yes, but he didn't verbally give them the middle finger. (He did this to the Tops, but we know he doesn't like them for reasons).

 

-----

Now, to Crow.

You're lucky that you only had 1 monster on-board at the time of Rise Falcon's summoning; things would've been worse, had you summoned more.

 

Otherwise, Rise isn't broken.

Just prepare backrow or just don't Special Summon, and anime Rise will be weak.

 

Of course, you can probably say that Rapid Xyz is kind of broken, since it allowed Rise to trigger its stat booster in battle (and its effect is normally activated during the Main Phase).

Yeah, Urgent Tuning exists, but it's slower.

 

(Unlike Shinji though, at least you aren't trying to incite a rebellion, which is nice.)

 

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As for Yuya, let's see if you can see through Roger's deception and figure out what he really wants.

He did outright tell you that you're part of his plans; as to what that is, we don't know.

 

Just realize that he only cares about you for the sake of that plan.

 

 

 

Well, less on the duel itself and more on the mentality of certain characters.

Think my RAW thoughts sum up those parts.

 

(And yeah, some stuff about Shun's remarks)

Can you cut him some slack, your reaction on his statement seem so damn real like, it's anime dude. Take it easy.