Dramatic Crossroad Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I still think Yuuya, Yuzu and their respective counterparts are related to Arc-V's version of Zorc and Horakhty. Hey, if they can bring Jack and Crow back, then I don't see why not them :/ [spoiler=Theory]Zorc/Horakhty cameo will bring further confusion, most of the kids these days haven't seen the original anyway and wouldn't have a clue.Although i could agree to some extent - if Yuya & Co. have the Dragons and "the darkness" of their respective dimensions within, supposedly Yuzu & Co. have the bracelets and the "light" power to tame the boys' berzerkery if needed(?) - it sounds a little sketchy, but why not... Hugo had Rin nearby to keep him in check,Yuto and Ruri were also related via Shun,then both boys had their dimensional "darkness limiter" stolen so they went OK!GO! for berzerk mode.Yuri and Selena, i don't think there are hints if they know each other or not, but i'm guessing not, judging from his twisted sadistic characteristic and shady morals....and Yuya and Yuzu, Her bracelet was making sure the counterparts would never meet, protecting Yuya's egao from the darkness unsealed during a potential dragon duel. On similar note If Yurii had to travel dimensions to abduct girls, how come Selena was free to travel on her own and train in the academy and was not held under close watch or captivity like the rest of the "Yuzus"? Leo Akaba mastermind plot hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 [spoiler=Thoughts on 70 Subbed]- JMR remarked that if Serena meets his expectations, she'd be popular and continue to win without difficulty, thus there isn't a need for Sergey to beat her yet as it's his duty to crush the two strongest/popular duelists. I'm a bit disappointed though as I thought he'd be a more interesting character, but as is...- I find it interesting that Melissa (and JMR) assumed that Yuzu/Serena were sisters, of course they're both mistaken as they're dimensional counterparts. - Then there is her wondering if all of the females of this generation use fusion and claiming that dueling belongs to this era of girls.- JMR noted that Serena's education as a duelist must have been top tier, though I don't find his choice of words suspicious seeing as Duel Schools exist.- Banana noted whilst eating that Yuzu joined the tournament to spread awareness of the dimensional war but said nothing about it in her duel. To be fair with Yuya moping after his loss to Jack, she thought it was a priority to cheer him up as opposed to talking about the war.- For funk's sake Sawatari. When will you realise that your father has no authority in the Synchro Dimension? It's beyond a joke now.- It's interesting that Jack empathised about Reira given he was similar to him as a kid. (Though in Reira's case, he was more of a puppet than anything) Not to mention he looked forward to see Reira duel.- I thought that Jack's backstory regarding wanting to return the Tuning Magician card to the tops and wanting to get stronger so he can achieve that is inspiring. Shame that Sam misunderstood Jack when he gave him the card though.- It's no surprise that Yuya thinks that his father's entertainment duelling is more appropriate as opposed to Jack's, as that was the duel style that grew up to inherit. That being said, he's still moping about the tournament format, no doubt he'll be telling the crowds about it in his duel with DC227.- Speaking of DC227, it seems as if JMR promised his job back if he beat Yuya, but noted that it's a pity that he wasn't paired against Yugo. Another thing to note, I was reading the wikia and I can't remember if it was mentioned, but apparently the guy who Jack beat in teh flashback for 65 was Divine (an AU version of him at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yeah, it was an AU version of Divine that Jack beat up a few episodes ago. As for answering my own question, I find Jack's one to be better fitted for me; just go full force and not screw around. I don't know; probably due to me not being fond of using circus tricks for a Deck. That, and not turning the whole duel into one, like what Yuya tends to do for a good chunk of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I also prefer Jack's style of dueling as opposed to Yuya's for similar reasons to Sakura quite frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 There are quite a few things I don't like about the dub, but one thing they have done wonderfully is making the annoying fat kid German and taking away his shitty catchphrase so that he is actually now likeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yeah, the shivers thing is worth a facepalm at this point. Although I don't watch the dubs, so likely won't get to see what they did with it. I also prefer Jack's style of dueling as opposed to Yuya's for similar reasons to Sakura quite frankly.Guess a lot of us prefer Jack's way, and can't say I blame any of us for doing so.Also helps that Jack is cool (even if he's an AU version of the King from 5Ds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I've decided that I won't be watching the dub either. Though I do remember making a poster replacing the MCs with chracters from pokemon because of their VAs when it was shown at worlds. Guess a lot of us prefer Jack's way, and can't say I blame any of us for doing so.Also helps that Jack is cool (even if he's an AU version of the King from 5Ds).To be fair, I wasn't a huge fan of the Performapals when they first came out either (I blame the Pink Hippo), but yeah Jack is a pretty cool guy. I mean he was my favourite character from 5Ds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I'm not really fond of them either (and yeah Discover Hippo was cringeworthy when Yuya used it).Game-wise, they're getting better [since Black's deemed them worthy enough for a guide], but I don't know. But yeah, I liked Jack in 5Ds as well (somewhere in top 3 with Yusei). (And you did make a poster; should be a few pages back) ------Yuya's likely going to win against DC227 (no wait, he will), although he's still going to be a depressed teen afterwards. That, and given the preview, he'll probably be yelled at for spoiling secrets; although they are true. Meh, we'll have to see if DC227 got any better after Yugo creamed him (and out of fairness, he would've won if he had listened to Roger). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 [spoiler= ENTERTAINUMENTO] Re: Entertainment Duelings, Jack's seems to make more sense. The whole "My Dad's brand of Entertainment Dueling!" has always kind of confused me because there's no real distinction to it. Like is it just dueling where you act more dramatically and play it up? With Steadfast Dueling, Gongenzaka doesn't use Spells or Traps. With Jack's dueling, he intentionally held back to give the opponent a bit of a spotlight so that his comeback would be more spectacular. When Gongenzaka and Dennis dueled on the street, I assumed that's what Entertainment Dueling actually was in the real circuit: Dramatic dueling where players act up certain roles and give a kind of plot/story to their duel and make it more interesting. But so far, Yuya's brand of Entertainment Dueling is pretty just been the usual "Get in a pinch and then get out of it with a rather extraneous combo". I mean, maybe that is what his dad's brand of dueling is supposed to be; dueling with the intent of interaction and trading with the opponent. Not going for the one-turn kills right away or trying to lock the opponent. I guess we saw that with Enjoy Chojirou and Yuzu; a duel that traded back and forth either way with really interesting combos on both parts that were not necessarily optimal, but were risky and lead to some very dramatic turn-arounds. Guess my verbal processing made me understand the Sakaki Entertainment Dueling after all. It's still not a clearly defined style, though, and I think Yuya needs to learn exact wtf "Entertainment Dueling" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I thought Yuya's Entertainment Style was more or less captivating audiences, like a performance, using the Action Duel mass in interesting and surprising ways, like riding them and acrobatic things. The stuff he did with cards like Whip Viper and such. It's not about hamminess, it's about spectacle and style. Because he doesn't do ANY of this stuff when he's "serious". No flashiness. No tricks. He either stands still or only sometimes moves when absolutely necessary. Both times he's gone berserk, he just stood there (not counting grabbing an Action card against the Obelisk Force). When he used Dark Rebellion the second time (Tag Team w/Dennis), the sign that he was trying to use his real Dueling style was he rode on Dark Rebellion instead of just commanding it. Granted, you can't do these things really in Riding Duels, so he'd need to have more involved in his style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 [spoiler= ENTERTAINUMENTO] Re: Entertainment Duelings, Jack's seems to make more sense. The whole "My Dad's brand of Entertainment Dueling!" has always kind of confused me because there's no real distinction to it. Like is it just dueling where you act more dramatically and play it up? With Steadfast Dueling, Gongenzaka doesn't use Spells or Traps. With Jack's dueling, he intentionally held back to give the opponent a bit of a spotlight so that his comeback would be more spectacular. When Gongenzaka and Dennis dueled on the street, I assumed that's what Entertainment Dueling actually was in the real circuit: Dramatic dueling where players act up certain roles and give a kind of plot/story to their duel and make it more interesting. But so far, Yuya's brand of Entertainment Dueling is pretty just been the usual "Get in a pinch and then get out of it with a rather extraneous combo". I mean, maybe that is what his dad's brand of dueling is supposed to be; dueling with the intent of interaction and trading with the opponent. Not going for the one-turn kills right away or trying to lock the opponent. I guess we saw that with Enjoy Chojirou and Yuzu; a duel that traded back and forth either way with really interesting combos on both parts that were not necessarily optimal, but were risky and lead to some very dramatic turn-arounds. Guess my verbal processing made me understand the Sakaki Entertainment Dueling after all. It's still not a clearly defined style, though, and I think Yuya needs to learn exact wtf "Entertainment Dueling" is. [spoiler=Response]For the most part, Yuya's one is essentially the norm for anime characters ("get into a pinch and play a lucksack combo that would surely not be replicated in reality").I wouldn't say there is one true definition of what constitutes an Entertainment Duel; Yuya's version is certainly not the only form of Entertainment Dueling. To be honest, we still don't know what Yuya's father actually did when he fought.Was he like his son or had a more unique style of doing so? Jack's one does make more sense overall; let the opponent show off their moves and then he counterattacks them. Indeed, Yuya does need to understand there is more than one way to do Entertainment Dueling; not just think his father's way is the only acceptable one.I don't think he really has a set pattern, other than the usual fanfare. [spoiler=Meh]Maybe the reason why I'm more critical about Yuya than I am about other characters in the franchise is that I'm not fond of turning the whole duel into a circus of sorts + not making suboptimal plays. I really don't know; probably is the reason. I don't mind playing to entertain, but I'm certainly not going to fool around while doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatic Crossroad Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 [spoiler=Redis and genturumen]I think it's not the first instance where the protagonist can be hard to like - he annoyed me with his snotty attitude when he found out Pendulum isn't a thing only he can do, when he was overprotective, belittling/babysitting Reira, while Reiji deemed him worthy duelist to invade different dimensions (he is a kid, just that Yuya did all this in a cheesy way).Judai Yuki was kind of an annoying character most of the time, ... derailed to much. It's all planned in the character development - Atem found his name, Judai found his dueling groove back (something he lost), Yusei found his... another synchro method and Yuma, well he lost his friend, which is part of growing up and has some kind of sad meaning to it... What i meant to say, protagonists have redeeming qualities, and i think the writers wanted to make Yuya more teen-like with struggles, insecurities and not-entirely-figured-out, just as his Entertainment dueling is far from polished, like you noted, it is all over the place and barely has any real purpose as it is, aside casual acrobatics and animals appealing to small kids that want to go to circus. He's bound to grow and entertain us someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King K. Azo Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 [spoiler=Episode 70]I guess Rogers red-eyed hitmans name is Sergei. So I'm guessing he's Russian? But also in the next episode we find out that Yuga DOES have Odd-Eyes Saber Dragon! I'd be willing to bet that Saber Dragons cost to summon is not Odd-Eyes Dragon but 1 Odd-Eyes monster instead. This to me is HUGE because Saber Dragon is one of the elemental Odd-Eyes. Also it probably means he also has or will have the others. Jack seemed either surprised or disturbed to see Saber Dragon though. Other than that the episode seemed pretty normal. Does anybody wanna see a Reiji vs Jack duel now? [spoiler=Idea that will probably be wrong] Well, maybe the reason Jack is surprised/disturbed about Saber Dragon is that Yuya will use Tuning Magician to summon it, and Jack is all like "How did he get that card? He didn't steal it from that kid I gave it to, did he?!EDIT: Just remember Saber is not a Synchro monster... But if Tuning Magician is light... Could work Also, I like Jack's Entertaiment Duel style much more than Yuya's. But you know who has the best? THE MAN GONGENZAKA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I think it's not the first instance where the protagonist can be hard to like - he annoyed me with his snotty attitude when he found out Pendulum isn't a thing only he can do, when he was overprotective, belittling/babysitting Reira, while Reiji deemed him worthy duelist to invade different dimensions (he is a kid, just that Yuya did all this in a cheesy way).That makes no sense at all. While it may be easy for you to accept Reira being used as a child soldier because you know it's a cartoon, for Yuuya and the others, that's real life; taking children to fight a war is an abominable, if not stupid thing to do IRL. Not to mention Yuuya would never trust Reiji's judgment after all s*** he's put him and his friends through over the course of the series. And I highly suspect the writers themselves want us to question Reiji's capability as a leader, because as much clever and well-prepared as he might be, he's still a 16-year old boy, not much older than Yuuya, given a task many a experienced general could not accomplish. And what's so cheesy about trying to cheer a depressed kid up and protect him from a dangerous job - specially for a emotionally disturbed boy like Reira - that could lead to disastrous consequences to him?Seriously, guys, you should all read Evilfusion's post above; there's too much bloodlust in you to allow you to see the whole picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Reiji's only 16? I mean, I know he's a prodigy and such, but I've been assuming he's around 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Yeah, he doesn't look like he's 16, but that's Japan for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I think some of my misconception also had to do with Reiji's demeanor. In the flashback with Serena regarding Reiji's trip to the Fusion Dimension (3 years ago), I would totally buy that he was 13 back then, because that's how he acted, although 15 wouldn't have been a stretch there, either. But Reiji in the present is very serious and intelligent, so although it's clear he's much younger than the obviously adult characters (Nakajima, etc), he seemed like he was around 18. I also sort of assumed since he was president of a huge company that legally he'd have been around 18, even though his mom oversees things as well. Then again, Zexal had examples that were WAY off how they looked. Kaito was 18, which was at least plausible, but I assumed slightly younger. Droite and Gauche...were like 19. No. Effing. Way. Not with those character designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Even more of an issue for me is that Gongenzaka is supposedly 14 when he could pass for 30 and I initially assumed he was around there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King K. Azo Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Even more of an issue for me is that Gongenzaka is supposedly 14 when he could pass for 30 and I initially assumed he was around there.Gongenzaka is a true man's man... So... He looks like a man, even as a teen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 @Enguin: Yeah, it's hard to believe that Gongenzaka is 14, when he looks like some of the guys at college (in their late 20s, early 30s).Although I have seen younger kids that are rather large for their age. (I know a 16-year old who's about 5'10ish and around 200+ pounds if that says anything; looks like he's my age though or older at first sight.) Same with Reiji.I would've assumed he was at least a year or so older than I am (I'm 20 btw), if not at least 18. Yusei, I could buy that he's 18; looks old enough to be as such. Then again, Zexal had examples that were WAY off how they looked. Kaito was 18, which was at least plausible, but I assumed slightly younger. Droite and Gauche...were like 19. No. Effing. Way. Not with those character designs. I agree; those two look like they're at least in their late 20s at minimum.At 19, maybe in special cases. Kaito, probably at least 21 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Droite and Gauche just had adult character designs (especially Gauche). I pegged them at about 25-28, with Droite leaning towards the lesser end. They looked about as old, or even older, than Mr. Heartland, who was probably mid-twenties/early thirties. Granted, I know most Yugioh characters tend to be in the 14-19 range, but damn, some characters really break the molds with their designs. Yusei was easy to peg as 18. Gogenzaka, I never once considered how old he was. In the first episode, he looked older than Yuya by a significant amount, like 25 vs 15. Even now I'd consider him slightly older than the others, but not quite in the 20s range. I think a lot of this has to do with behavior and demeanor, though. Yusei, Reiji, Gogenzaka, and Kaito all acted much more mature than their character age. Droite was also very stoic and serious, but Gauche had a slightly more childish behavior, but all that really did was make him seem quirky and that he needed to act his age more (again assuming 25 range). Other characters that act overly carefree at times (Yuya, Sora, Jaden, etc) tend to be easier to see as younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Le RAW: http://www.gogoanime.com/yu-gi-oh-arc-v-episode-71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kyo- Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 with each passing episode im seeing less and less reason to save the synchro dimension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Someone really should call Leo and tell him to start his invasion ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 [spoiler=71 thoughts]We have Yuya spilling the beans about what really happens to the loser.Jack calls him "foolish" for doing so; and apparently the City doesn't mind that the loser gets thrown into the forced labor facility. Of course, he did get a few boos when he entered the Stadium; likely because Jack kicked his ass back in 64.But at the end, he did win though (even if he ended up having to use Reborn Magic Level 4 or whatever to get back his Bot-Lizard + do whatever). DC227 has another loss though, and he was very much close to winning against Yuya. But yeah, the fact that he can Fusion Summon is somewhat awkward in the Synchro Dimension; you'd think that they're only capable of making Synchros. It's not that hard to learn Fusion; we've been doing it since, what, 2001-ish? But yeah, something to note. Odd-Eyes Performapals? K, I suppose Yuya.dek just got more toys to play with.Saber Dragon appeared if that meant anything, and it was essentially Yuya's win card/destiny draw. To be honest, I kinda wanted to see DC227 win this one, but given how things work out, they won't allow it to happen.(Although I suppose Yuya did try to save DC227 from getting shipped off, but he got stopped) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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