Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I might as well have jumped into a tank filled with ravenous piranhas. At least we aren't physically killing you. This is just a tiring experience, really - nothing that will hurt you too badly, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 When you stack two on top of 2, you get 4. Reckless does not do that. Therefore doesn't stack. It depends on how you read it really.*Looks up a source or two*....Nice to know they changed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 At least we aren't physically killing you. This is just a tiring experience, really - nothing that will hurt you too badly, I hope.Nah. It's fine. I just got yelled at by everyone for being a f**king idiot again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 All I want is to actually keep my deck more or less intact. I merely wished to show the deck that people were treating me differently over. I might as well have jumped into a tank filled with ravenous piranhas. Again... sure, keep your... "special" Dark World. But honestly what were you expecting? If we're telling you this isn't the best way to play the deck but you refuse to acknowledge it. That's the only way this thread was gonna go.Nah. It's fine. I just got yelled at by everyone for being a f**king idiot again. Yes, this basically. But hey- learning the hard way is learning just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 If anything, you learn that decks are are all about the same in the end and people have issues over small things. But reacting like people typically do when "meh creative deck was talked about in a way I didn't like/butthurt" gets old as heck real fast. I said it in the status bar, but I'll do it again. "Creative" in Yugioh is often taking a core 20-30 cards and adding what you want as you go. Establish a core, and alter it your way. Not too hard, and doesn't make the deck completely bad or good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Again... sure, keep your... "special" Dark World. But honestly what were you expecting? If we're telling you this isn't the best way to play the deck but you refuse to acknowledge it. That's the only way this thread was gonna go.Why not compromise, like TGM has been asking?I'm willing to try out some of these changes.But you all mobbed me wanting me to make the same deck Chris made a week ago.If anything, you learn that decks are are all about the same in the end and people have issues over small things. But reacting like people typically do when "meh creative deck was talked about in a way I didn't like/butthurt" gets old as heck real fast. I said it in the status bar, but I'll do it again. "Creative" in Yugioh is often taking a core 20-30 cards and adding what you want as you go. Establish a core, and alter it your way. Not too hard, and doesn't make the deck completely bad or good.THIS.Why is this too hard for you all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Nah. It's fine. I just got yelled at by everyone for being a f**king idiot again.I.... Actually wasn't yelling.Nor did I say make the same deck. I was simply trying to explain some stuff to you, to take into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Why not compromise, like TGM has been asking? I'm willing to try out some of these changes. But you all mobbed me wanting me to make the same deck Chris made a week ago. I gave my input on changes you could do to make it as optimal as possible while keeping in mind you liked the Level 5s, and your budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 There are two standpoints here and differentiating them is really important. One one hand you have having fun building a deck. That's what you like about this and it's completely fine. On the other hand you have what I was trying to say- that this deck is not better than normal, turbo Dark World, for being built "creatively". And that's something you have to acknowledge, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 There are two standpoints here and differentiating them is really important. One one hand you have having fun building a deck. That's what you like about this and it's completely fine. On the other hand you have what I was trying to say- that this deck is not better than normal, turbo Dark World, for being built "creatively". And that's something you have to acknowledge, all things considered.But you seemed to keep pushing that the optimal way was the ONLY way.And that's what I hate about the metagame.No innovation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 There are two standpoints here and differentiating them is really important. One one hand you have having fun building a deck. That's what you like about this and it's completely fine. On the other hand you have what I was trying to say- that this deck is not better than normal, turbo Dark World, for being built "creatively". And that's something you have to acknowledge, all things considered. I'm with Mugen here. This is in no way better than DW Turbo. In ANY way. Creativity doesn't count. Nice idea, but it is NOT better than the highest. It doesn't have to be, but we are just telling you so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 And that's what I hate about the metagame. No innovation. This is an extremely generic view on the competitive scene and frankly it makes me a little mad that you think it works like that. Do you know what a Format Call is? Did you know that players' techs actually make a difference in the highest rings of competitive play? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 And that's what I hate about the metagame. No innovation. Innovation doesn't win games (unless innovation has a way to counter the Meta). Consistency, speed, and power win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'm with Mugen here. This is in no way better than DW Turbo. In ANY way. Creativity doesn't count.Nice idea, but it is NOT better than the highest. It doesn't have to be, but we are just telling you so. Yes, but the way you kept pushing the optimized build was that anything NOT optimized should not even be considered as a deck.It's actually a bit extreme the way you were swarming me, wanting to remove any identity from my deck.This is an extremely generic view on the competitive scene and frankly it makes me a little mad that you think it works like that.Do you know what a Format Call is? Did you know that players' techs actually make a difference in the highest rings of competitive play? I doubt it.I don't know what a Format Call is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Yes, but the way you kept pushing the optimized build was that anything NOT optimized should not even be considered as a deck.It's actually a bit extreme the way you were swarming me, wanting to remove any identity from my deck.The CORE of the deck isn't the part that shows "Your identity"Your identity is shown by your tech choices, the way you side, the choices you make during the game itself. Not "How many subpar cards can I cram into this before I have to give up?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 The CORE of the deck isn't the part that shows "Your identity"Your identity is shown by your tech choices, the way you side, the choices you make during the game itself. Not "How many subpar cards can I cram into this before I have to give up?"But they're the same techs everyone else puts in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 But they're the same techs everyone else puts in. Techs are by definition cards not everyone puts in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Yes, but the way you kept pushing the optimized build was that anything NOT optimized should not even be considered as a deck. It's actually a bit extreme the way you were swarming me, wanting to remove any identity from my deck. I never had anything against Silva, Gold, and Celibi, and I never will for the first two. Bronn was bad. Having random 3's in here that didn't do too much also seemed bad. We are basically giving you the minimum requirements to run Dark Worlds on your Mac*shot* And innovation is a debatable definition. Yes, it can win games, but is it truly innovation to tech a 2-3 card difference? Maybe. But its only about a 7.5% deviation from the original. Still a rather large number, actually. But far from being completely innovative. But innovation is not a bad 40 card deck trying to act like it is good. This is not directed at this deck unless you want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I don't know what a Format Call is. A format call is a card which has previously not seen play which a player sides or techs thinking it will be effective against the format's meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Techs are by definition cards not everyone puts in. Like me teching Tech Genus Cyber Magician in my Tech Genus deck. Teching like mad yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Like me teching Tech Genus Cyber Magician in my Tech Genus deck. Teching like mad yo Your cards are T.G.s you fucking weeabo. *shot* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 A format call is a card which has previously not seen play which a player sides or techs thinking it will be effective against the format's meta.OK, I get it.I'm an utter imbecile who also happens to offend one of the few people on this site I respect.So, Mr. Too Many Monsters, how much of this is going to be teching in your suggestions into my deck, and how much is it going to be me teching in the "subpar" cards I like into Chris' War Deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 *Skims thread* "Creativity" is the most retarded argument ever used to justify running objectively bad cards, and it feels like Yu-Gi-Oh! players are almost brainwashed into believing that creativity is better than playing what works, when in reality, all they're doing is just running garbage cards. Also, running everything that has "Dark World" somewhere on the card doesn't give the deck your identity, because anyone can look up a list of Dark World cards, and throw them into a 40 card pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 *Skims thread* "Creativity" is the most retarded argument ever used to justify running objectively bad cards, and it feels like Yu-Gi-Oh! players are almost brainwashed into believing that creativity is better than playing what works, when in reality, all they're doing is just running garbage cards. Also, running everything that has "Dark World" somewhere on the card doesn't give the deck your identity, because anyone can look up a list of Dark World cards, and throw them into a 40 card pile.Why do you think I'm not using Beiige, or Gren, or Khakki, or Zure, or Renge?Because they suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Why do you think I'm not using Beiige, or Gren, or Khakki, or Zure, or Renge? Because they suck. Beiige is good though for being a level 4 things that SSs itself for grapha spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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