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Because TCG Holds A Deck's Value Based On Its Price Tag And Not Its Merits [RL Dark Worlds] (Jan 2014)


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All I want is to actually keep my deck more or less intact.
I merely wished to show the deck that people were treating me differently over.
I might as well have jumped into a tank filled with ravenous piranhas.

 

Again... sure, keep your... "special" Dark World. But honestly what were you expecting? If we're telling you this isn't the best way to play the deck but you refuse to acknowledge it. That's the only way this thread was gonna go.



Nah. It's fine. I just got yelled at by everyone for being a f**king idiot again.

 

Yes, this basically. But hey- learning the hard way is learning just as well.

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If anything, you learn that decks are are all about the same in the end and people have issues over small things. But reacting like people typically do when "meh creative deck was talked about in a way I didn't like/butthurt" gets old as heck real fast. I said it in the status bar, but I'll do it again. "Creative" in Yugioh is often taking a core 20-30 cards and adding what you want as you go. Establish a core, and alter it your way. Not too hard, and doesn't make the deck completely bad or good.

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Again... sure, keep your... "special" Dark World. But honestly what were you expecting? If we're telling you this isn't the best way to play the deck but you refuse to acknowledge it. That's the only way this thread was gonna go.

Why not compromise, like TGM has been asking?
I'm willing to try out some of these changes.
But you all mobbed me wanting me to make the same deck Chris made a week ago.

If anything, you learn that decks are are all about the same in the end and people have issues over small things. But reacting like people typically do when "meh creative deck was talked about in a way I didn't like/butthurt" gets old as heck real fast. I said it in the status bar, but I'll do it again. "Creative" in Yugioh is often taking a core 20-30 cards and adding what you want as you go. Establish a core, and alter it your way. Not too hard, and doesn't make the deck completely bad or good.

THIS.
Why is this too hard for you all?
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Why not compromise, like TGM has been asking?
I'm willing to try out some of these changes.
But you all mobbed me wanting me to make the same deck Chris made a week ago.

I gave my input on changes you could do to make it as optimal as possible while keeping in mind you liked the Level 5s, and your budget.

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There are two standpoints here and differentiating them is really important.

 

One one hand you have having fun building a deck. That's what you like about this and it's completely fine.

 

On the other hand you have what I was trying to say- that this deck is not better than normal, turbo Dark World, for being built "creatively". And that's something you have to acknowledge, all things considered.

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There are two standpoints here and differentiating them is really important.
 
One one hand you have having fun building a deck. That's what you like about this and it's completely fine.
 
On the other hand you have what I was trying to say- that this deck is not better than normal, turbo Dark World, for being built "creatively". And that's something you have to acknowledge, all things considered.

But you seemed to keep pushing that the optimal way was the ONLY way.
And that's what I hate about the metagame.
No innovation.
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There are two standpoints here and differentiating them is really important.

 

One one hand you have having fun building a deck. That's what you like about this and it's completely fine.

 

On the other hand you have what I was trying to say- that this deck is not better than normal, turbo Dark World, for being built "creatively". And that's something you have to acknowledge, all things considered.

I'm with Mugen here. This is in no way better than DW Turbo. In ANY way. Creativity doesn't count.

Nice idea, but it is NOT better than the highest. It doesn't have to be, but we are just telling you so. 

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And that's what I hate about the metagame.
No innovation.

 

This is an extremely generic view on the competitive scene and frankly it makes me a little mad that you think it works like that.

 

Do you know what a Format Call is? Did you know that players' techs actually make a difference in the highest rings of competitive play? I doubt it.

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I'm with Mugen here. This is in no way better than DW Turbo. In ANY way. Creativity doesn't count.
Nice idea, but it is NOT better than the highest. It doesn't have to be, but we are just telling you so. 

Yes, but the way you kept pushing the optimized build was that anything NOT optimized should not even be considered as a deck.
It's actually a bit extreme the way you were swarming me, wanting to remove any identity from my deck.

This is an extremely generic view on the competitive scene and frankly it makes me a little mad that you think it works like that.

Do you know what a Format Call is? Did you know that players' techs actually make a difference in the highest rings of competitive play? I doubt it.

I don't know what a Format Call is.
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Yes, but the way you kept pushing the optimized build was that anything NOT optimized should not even be considered as a deck.
It's actually a bit extreme the way you were swarming me, wanting to remove any identity from my deck.


The CORE of the deck isn't the part that shows "Your identity"

Your identity is shown by your tech choices, the way you side, the choices you make during the game itself. Not "How many subpar cards can I cram into this before I have to give up?"
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The CORE of the deck isn't the part that shows "Your identity"

Your identity is shown by your tech choices, the way you side, the choices you make during the game itself. Not "How many subpar cards can I cram into this before I have to give up?"

But they're the same techs everyone else puts in.
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Yes, but the way you kept pushing the optimized build was that anything NOT optimized should not even be considered as a deck.
It's actually a bit extreme the way you were swarming me, wanting to remove any identity from my deck.

I never had anything against Silva, Gold, and Celibi, and I never will for the first two. Bronn was bad. Having random 3's in here that didn't do too much also seemed bad. We are basically giving you the minimum requirements to run Dark Worlds on your Mac*shot*

 

And innovation is a debatable definition. Yes, it can win games, but is it truly innovation to tech a 2-3 card difference? Maybe. But its only about a 7.5% deviation from the original. Still a rather large number, actually. But far from being completely innovative. But innovation is not a bad 40 card deck trying to act like it is good. This is not directed at this deck unless you want it to be. 

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A format call is a card which has previously not seen play which a player sides or techs thinking it will be effective against the format's meta.

OK, I get it.
I'm an utter imbecile who also happens to offend one of the few people on this site I respect.
So, Mr. Too Many Monsters, how much of this is going to be teching in your suggestions into my deck, and how much is it going to be me teching in the "subpar" cards I like into Chris' War Deck?
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*Skims thread*

 

"Creativity" is the most retarded argument ever used to justify running objectively bad cards, and it feels like Yu-Gi-Oh! players are almost brainwashed into believing that creativity is better than playing what works, when in reality, all they're doing is just running garbage cards.

 

Also, running everything that has "Dark World" somewhere on the card doesn't give the deck your identity, because anyone can look up a list of Dark World cards, and throw them into a 40 card pile.

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*Skims thread*
 
"Creativity" is the most retarded argument ever used to justify running objectively bad cards, and it feels like Yu-Gi-Oh! players are almost brainwashed into believing that creativity is better than playing what works, when in reality, all they're doing is just running garbage cards.
 
Also, running everything that has "Dark World" somewhere on the card doesn't give the deck your identity, because anyone can look up a list of Dark World cards, and throw them into a 40 card pile.

Why do you think I'm not using Beiige, or Gren, or Khakki, or Zure, or Renge?
Because they suck.
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