Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Ideal808 has Tour Guide for 6$ I mean, if you want to be obscure and use that to get Browws, to which, you can then use for Grapha. Why would I want Tour Guide? I don't have an Extra Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Ideal808 has Tour Guide for 6$ I mean, if you want to be obscure and use that to get Browws, to which, you can then use for Grapha. Or leviar or junk. irrc Leviar isn't that expensive anymore. Or Zenmaines. Why would I want Tour Guide? I don't have an Extra Deck. What, can you not get one? Leviair and Zenamines together is like, $7, and the deck becomes a fair bit better with just that. Hell, you could just get Zenamines, which is $3. Not anything expensive, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 OK. Let's get back on track. Why is my deck, according to all of you "experts", not "optimal"? Why does the deck have to solely be about Grapha? And do I even NEED an Extra Deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Let me give you an example that holds true for me. Too many monsters ends up being TGs with 8 cards in hand that they can't summon. Bad example, but still an example. Dealings 3x Reckless 3x Field Spell Draw (doesn't happen as easily) 2(3?)x Upstart 3x 12 in 40 of drawing more cards. Then if still not in hand, 12 in 34, or about one in 3. You're getting draw power soon. Staples/TGU stalls until then. Still plays like a DW deck, but not always a Grapha.dek. Basically, you still get some creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Why is my deck, according to all of you "experts", not "optimal"? Why does the deck have to solely be about Grapha? And do I even NEED an Extra Deck? Because it isn't as consistent as it could be, and it's running unnecessary cards that don't help the consistency of the deck. Because 3000 Recurring beater. That you can potentially summon 3 of. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 One of which is probably a Brron. Which can get the party going. If it has something to inflict damage. Which is most likely the case for 1800 mind you. Why do I get the feeling "optimal" means "every single other DW Deck out there"? So what do I do if I don't have any monsters? Dig through your deck with draw cards like the deck regularly, and optimally does. If you want "originality"- as original as a DW deck goes- then fine. But you SHOULD know that it's inferior to, as you put it, "every single other DW Deck out there". Why would I want Tour Guide? I don't have an Extra Deck. >TGU a Broww >Bounce the Broww for Grapha >+2 >???? >Profit! Because even after she becomes, err, used goods; she's still Gates fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 OK. Let's get back on track. Why is my deck, according to all of you "experts", not "optimal"? Why does the deck have to solely be about Grapha? And do I even NEED an Extra Deck? Double Post, probably. I don't care. It isn't optimal because Bronn. Ok, also the fact that semi-useless level 3s are running amuck. IT DOESN'T, but Grapha is still a KEY in the deck. When you don't have an EXTRA DECK, how do you WIN without GRAPHA? You don't but its either Grapha or Extra deck. Everything else is just little guys thinking they are tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 If you want "originality"- as original as a DW deck goes- then fine. But you SHOULD know that it's inferior to, as you put it, "every single other DW Deck out there".BUT WHY?!? Let me give you an example that holds true for me. Too many monsters ends up being TGs with 8 cards in hand that they can't summon. Bad example, but still an example. Dealings 3xReckless 3xField Spell Draw (doesn't happen as easily) 2(3?)xUpstart 3x 12 in 40 of drawing more cards. Then if still not in hand, 12 in 34, or about one in 3. You're getting draw power soon. Staples/TGU stalls until then. Still plays like a DW deck, but not always a Grapha.dek. Basically, you still get some creativity.And where do I put the Upstarts?And why use Reckless Greed? It makes me skip 2 Draw Phases.>TGU a Broww>Bounce the Broww for Grapha>+2>????>Profit!Because even after she becomes, err, used goods; she's still Gates fuel.THEN WHAT DO I DO WITH THE TOUR GUIDE?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 And why use Reckless Greed? It makes me skip 2 Draw Phases. Use 2+ at once. Or win fast. I mean, giant fucking beaters every turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 OK. Let's get back on track.Why is my deck, according to all of you "experts", not "optimal"?Why does the deck have to solely be about Grapha?And do I even NEED an Extra Deck?Slow down a minute, please.We are, for the most part, assuming you wanted an optimal build, due to the fact you were so set on Celery Ceruli being the best card. It's reasonable, yes, but here's the thing. It's not so much DWs in general, but rather, it's Grapha. I mean, before then, the deck literally had no actual true boss, outside of Reign, and even then, nobody played him because it would only really go off in an obscure scenario; Hence why nobody used him. Then Grapha came along, threw all of that out the window, and gave them a proper boss monster that not only supports the deck on a more level-headed bases, but also gives you field control, outside of just summoning beaters that don't do anything on their own.See what I'm getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 BUT WHY?!? And where do I put the Upstarts? And why use Reckless Greed? It makes me skip 2 Draw Phases. I win just about every time I use reckless. Even just 1x. Even if my bad opponent somehow lets me live for 2 turns. Reckless. Never. Fails. You. Especially not in a DW deck. Skipping two DP is not bad if you use this to draw 3 cards during your turn. (DP+this). Then drawing into more draw power is very easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 And where do I put the Upstarts? Take out 3 of: Bronn Celery Level 5s (Keep 1, possibly) Bribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Take out 3 of: Bronn Celery Level 5s (Keep 1, possibly) Bribe Going too far here, gotta be a better way. If GLaDOS wants Celibi, she gets Celibi. Bribe sucks in general though, it can leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Slow down a minute, please.We are, for the most part, assuming you wanted an optimal build, due to the fact you were so set on Celery Ceruli being the best card. It's reasonable, yes, but here's the thing. It's not so much DWs in general, but rather, it's Grapha. I mean, before then, the deck literally had no actual true boss, outside of Reign, and even then, nobody played him because it would only really go off in an obscure scenario; Hence why nobody used him. Then Grapha came along, threw all of that out the window, and gave them a proper boss monster that not only supports the deck on a more level-headed bases, but also gives you field control, outside of just summoning beaters that don't do anything on their own.See what I'm getting at?I wasn't set on Ceruli.I know Grapha is the boss.But I don't see why I have to throw out half of my deck and spend what I spent on it all over again, when it's been working perfectly fine for me so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I wasn't set on Ceruli.I know Grapha is the boss.But I don't see why I have to throw out half of my deck and spend what I spent on it all over again, when it's been working perfectly fine for me so far!Because of the Jack Witt clause.If you post your deck, people are free to comment on what makes it more optimal. This isn't a "Show your deck section" this is "Improve your deck" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 BUT WHY?!? We've been telling you why for two pages and you reject everything we say. So yeah. And where do I put the Upstarts? And why use Reckless Greed? It makes me skip 2 Draw Phases. -Instead of shitty Bronn -The trick about Reckless is that the Draw Phase Skipping doesn't stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 No, you've been telling me to optimize it, and saying why my deck sucks because it's not optimized.I don't see why I have to make it a carbon copy of the Dark World Deck everyone else uses.And WTF is a Jack Witt clause?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 THEN WHAT DO I DO WITH THE TOUR GUIDE?!? You wait until it dies, maybe attack with it. THEN YOU USE IT AS GATE FUEL. You know, in the Grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Because of the Jack Witt clause. If you post your deck, people are free to comment on what makes it more optimal. This isn't a "Show your deck section" this is "Improve your deck" Improve doesn't mean turn it into the cess pool everyone runs. She basically wants to run DWs like Celibi and Gold. I feel we should be giving her tips on how to run the deck WITH them. The problem? I can't think of any tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Improve doesn't mean turn it into the cess pool everyone runs. She basically wants to run DWs like Celibi and Gold. I feel we should be giving her tips on how to run the deck WITH them. The problem? I can't think of any tips.Simple.You run Grapha.dek with ONE Celebi. That is LITERALLY all you can do with it, because Celebi.dek is not as good as Grapha.dek.Celebi clogs, promotes minusing yourself rather badly in most cases, just to get an extra effect the deck never truly needed. It's subpar at best and trying to make a deck around it eventually morphs into Grapha.dek anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 No, you've been telling me to optimize it, and saying why my deck sucks because it's not optimized. Okay here's the deal: You have an EXCESSIVE amount of monsters. 3 Bronn, is a terrible idea. Relying on inflicting damage to be able to do your plays in Main Phase 2 is subpar at best. You're prone to draw monster-heavy hands and that sucks balls in Dark World, especially when those monsters can't be normal summoned. It lacks Dragged Down into the Grave which is arguably the best card in the Deck after Grapha- but it's kind of expensive so you're okay in that regard. Too many monsters. I cannot stress that enough. -3 Bronn -1 Jar +3 Dragged Down +1 Mirror Force Just as a start of things that need adjusting. -3 Celery +1 Beige +2 TGU/Mind Crush/1 One Day of Peace + 1 IDK Take out 3 of: Bronn Celery Level 5s (Keep 1, possibly) Bribe So can dealing s/gate/dragged/lightning i guess and they don't require a battle phase, a monster with >1800? ATK on the opponent's field, and also you don't get as many things to dig through the deck if you open a lot of monsters. Draw Power into monsters. Reckless, Upstart, etc. I don't think you're really listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 And WTF is a Jack Witt clause?!? If you post your deck, people are free to comment on what makes it more optimal. This isn't a "Show your deck section" this is "Improve your deck" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 -The trick about Reckless is that the Draw Phase Skipping doesn't stack.Don't you mean it DOES?Since, you know, you can use 1 copy; Draw 2; Skip your next two.Use a second copy right after; Draw 2; Skip the same 2 phases you were skipping before.Draw 4, off 2 cards, and only skip 2 phases /obveious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Simple.You run Grapha.dek with ONE Celebi. That is LITERALLY all you can do with it, because Celebi.dek is not as good as Grapha.dek.Celebi clogs, promotes minusing yourself rather badly in most cases, just to get an extra effect the deck never truly needed. It's subpar at best and trying to make a deck around it eventually morphs into Grapha.dek anyway.All I want is to actually keep my deck more or less intact.I merely wished to show the deck that people were treating me differently over.I might as well have jumped into a tank filled with ravenous piranhas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Don't you mean it DOES? Since, you know, you can use 1 copy; Draw 2; Skip your next two. Use a second copy right after; Draw 2; Skip the same 2 phases you were skipping before. Draw 4, off 2 cards, and only skip 2 phases /obveious When you stack two on top of 2, you get 4. Reckless does not do that. Therefore doesn't stack. It depends on how you read it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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