MMA(Or really fight sports in general... Boxing, Kickboxing, Muy Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, NCAA Wrestleing ECT...)

[Cocodomoco]

Hi so i realized there is no sports section on this forum. I'm not huge into sports but I am very into Combat Sports so i wanted to make a forum post where we could discuss things such as the sports listed in the title. Any other martial arts would be included as well. I would prefer not to discuss professional wrestling because i prefer sports that are sort of more real than that. And no i'm not saying its completely fake but its a lot of acting and fixing. If there is a big following on this forum i think we could start some sort of club.
 

So just to get the discussion going here is a form that you could write if you want.

 

Favorite Combat Sport:

Favorite Fighter/Athlete:

Favorite Technique:

Favorite Fight promotion(EX: UFC, Bellator, Pride, Glory):

 

I am hoping to get some people to discuss

Also here is my form.

 

Favorite Combat Sport: MMA

Favorite Fighter/Athlete: Paul Sass, Masakazu Imanari, Chris Weidman, and Josh Barnett

Favorite Technique: Triangle Chokes, Heel Hooks, Toe Holds, and Leg Kicks

Favorite Fight promotion(EX: UFC, Bellator, Pride, Glory): Pride

[Sora1499]

I actually did Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for a few years, and it was really cool.  The sport was technical, engaging, and fun as hell; I had a great time doing it.  For better or for worse, I took up crew, and sadly had to leave Jiu Jitsu behind.  But I might get back into it once crew is over or something.

[Cocodomoco]

Awesome! Jiu Jitsu is my favorite aspect of MMA. I've done it no gi for 2 years and i've been doing it in gi for a year now. I love the technicality of the sport and the fact that its one of the few martial arts that is full contact. Even though there is no striking it hurts haha. Crew is cool too though. One of my good friends was the Coxswain for his schools team. Do you watch any Combat sports on TV?

[Sora1499]

I don't, although my dad's taken me to a few boxing matches.  I don't usually watch spectator sports, not into that stuff unless it's live.

[Cocodomoco]

Im not into most sports either, just MMA haha. Boxing is great too though. I didnt really expect a big following on this forum.

[Admiral Tim]

I've taken Muay Thai for the good part of this year.  I would be confident to say that I could be fighting soon.  (Semi-competitive not sparring).  It's my firm belief that any contact combat art is superior to non-contact.  You just don't get the knowledge and experience you need. 

[Cocodomoco]

Agreed. Muy Thai is a great style of kickboxing i love to watch it. I dont know if you've ever watched muy thai. But some great fighters you might want to watch on youtube or something and my personal favorites are Duane Ludwig and Jomhod kiatadisak.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Guess I'll post.

 

I trained in a Wing Chun system (a Snake-Crane fighting style) for 18 months up until August of this year, reaching Grade 9 (Grade 12 being the equivalent of a black belt and completion of the basic course, to put into perspective of what that means). However unfortunately the school closed due to a disagreement between the instructor and the franchise owner, and he just got fed up I guess. It hasn't been the only school in the franchise to close/break away in the last 12 months. =/

 

Chased around and tried a couple of other schools in the area doing different things with the rest of the guys, but haven't really found one that suits. Some of them went into Aikido, which didn't really suit me in terms of class times and style. Some went into Jeet Kune Do/Kickboxing, but I didn't like the instructor or the way it was being taught. Last thing I looked at was Tae Kwon Do, but again didn't really get on with it, although having never really kicked much in Wing Chun I was surprised that I could kick quite well, but it's not great/practical as a self-defence and didn't get on well with the amount of U10s running around. So yeah, doing nothing atm.

 

I also did Judo when I was much younger, but I don't even consider that a martial art.

 

In terms of MMA; I sometimes watch BAMMA or Bellator, if I'm actually in on a Friday night and see it's on Freeview. Haven't really seen enough to have an established 'favourite'; though I guess the most known guy would be War Machine, who I respect and detest equally.

[Admiral Tim]

Agreed. Muy Thai is a great style of kickboxing i love to watch it. I dont know if you've ever watched muy thai. But some great fighters you might want to watch on youtube or something and my personal favorites are Duane Ludwig and Jomhod kiatadisak.

 

Not to put down other martial arts, but I personally think muay thai is one of the most effective striking arts just because it is full-contact, taught in a way that can be transferred to real life situations and the importance of strength and power in your kicks.  

Guess I'll post.

 

I trained in a Wing Chun system (a Snake-Crane fighting style) for 18 months up until August of this year, reaching Grade 9 (Grade 12 being the equivalent of a black belt and completion of the basic course, to put into perspective of what that means). However unfortunately the school closed due to a disagreement between the instructor and the franchise owner, and he just got fed up I guess. It hasn't been the only school in the franchise to close/break away in the last 12 months. =/

 

Chased around and tried a couple of other schools in the area doing different things with the rest of the guys, but haven't really found one that suits. Some of them went into Aikido, which didn't really suit me in terms of class times and style. Some went into Jeet Kune Do/Kickboxing, but I didn't like the instructor or the way it was being taught. Last thing I looked at was Tae Kwon Do, but again didn't really get on with it, although having never really kicked much in Wing Chun I was surprised that I could kick quite well, but it's not great/practical as a self-defence and didn't get on well with the amount of U10s running around. So yeah, doing nothing atm.

 

I also did Judo when I was much younger, but I don't even consider that a martial art.

 

In terms of MMA; I sometimes watch BAMMA or Bellator, if I'm actually in on a Friday night and see it's on Freeview. Haven't really seen enough to have an established 'favourite'; though I guess the most known guy would be War Machine, who I respect and detest equally.

 

I've always been interested in a karate or Kung-fu form.  I wanted to learn a martial art that looks beautiful.  I find Muay Thai to be efficient but a bit rugged and crass.  Another question, how are the strikes different in Wing Chun as opposed to Muay Thai? From what I can recall they are much faster. 

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Not to put down other martial arts, but I personally think muay thai is one of the most effective striking arts just because it is full-contact, taught in a way that can be transferred to real life situations and the importance of strength and power in your kicks.  

I've always been interested in a karate or Kung-fu form.  I wanted to learn a martial art that looks beautiful.  I find Muay Thai to be efficient but a bit rugged and crass.  Another question, how are the strikes different in Wing Chun as opposed to Muay Thai? From what I can recall they are much faster. 

 

Good attitude. All I seem to find with instructors is a constant putting down of other martial arts <_< They all probably work, just some suit different people better than others.

 

Efficiency is good, and Wing Chun, although it is an art with its forms and use of Chi-Sau, can be just as rugged, crass, and all out brutal if needs be, although I wouldn't for one second doubt the abilities of anyone who is trained in Muay Thai. Every part of the body, with the obvious exception of the head, should be usable as a strike, especially knees and elbows as they are naturally more powerful simply as they're connected to the biggest muscles in the body. Like I said I've only trained to a relatively basic level, but when I did we primarily used straight chain punches; where one fist would shoot forward and straighten, dropping down for the other to replace it and continuing a continuous, almost piston like motion. Think of the pistons on the wheels of a train. You could do an almost limitless flurry of these as long as your stamina held out, hitting the same focused target again and again and again. Don't really do hooks or crosses or any of that, I do especially love the counter for the big swinging chavvy 'could see it coming in last week's newspaper' cross. :)

 

Kicks are mostly to sweep/trip, or stamp on something. Upon being asked how often I kicked before in Wing Chun, I told the TKD instructor that it wasn't often, it would be mostly a disguised kick to stamp through someone's knee. He visibly paled and said 'that's a bit brutal.' Well durr. :D

[Cocodomoco]

I am familiar with wing chun. I believe Anderson Silva (The former middle weight champion and the guy being knocked out in my profile pic) is a decently high grade of wing chun. It is a very very good fighting style to cross train if you are an MMA fighter. Especially the like sort of close combat aspect of it i know it has a lot of short distance strikes which mix very well with the Muy Thai Clinch game.

 

 

I also did Judo when I was much younger, but I don't even consider that a martial art.

 I most definitely would consider Judo a martial art. It is just more of a full contact martial art like taekwondo, muy thai, or brazilian jiu jitsu. Judo is a style of throws, pins, and sort of submissions that works well together and is exciting to watch. In my opinion it is also very dominant when combined with other styles as exhibited by the women's world champion Ronda Rousey. Shes 8 wins 0 losses all by armbar most of those armbars were transitions from a throw.

 

 

In terms of MMA; I sometimes watch BAMMA or Bellator, if I'm actually in on a Friday night and see it's on Freeview. Haven't really seen enough to have an established 'favourite'; though I guess the most known guy would be War Machine, who I respect and detest equally.

Bellator is honestly amazing. I like the way its run, i like the president... I dont like their sketchy contracts their fighters are under but overall i believe the fighters are treated much better than in the UFC. Contrary to what you may thing over his name War Machine is actually not very well known at all. I have encyclopedic knolege of this sport so i know him. He actually gets arrested like crazy and does porn. The most popular fighters i can think of would be Anderson Silva, Frank Mir, Tito Ortiz, Quinton "Rampage" JAckson, Lyoto Machida, Jon Jones, Brock Lesner, Maricio "Shogun" Rua, Fedor Emilianenko, Alistiar Overeem, BJ Penn, And Frankie Edgar.

 

 

Now if were talking about dominant single martial arts without cross training (Which everyone basically does now a days if they fight pro) i would honestly say jiu jitsu. You've seen muy thai and boxing right. Its very easy for them to clinch and grab each other. Well is someone who is good at BJJ(Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) is able to grab you they basically can end the fight. It would be very easy for them to jump guard and then choke out someone who has no knowledge of submission defense.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

I am familiar with wing chun. I believe Anderson Silva (The former middle weight champion and the guy being knocked out in my profile pic) is a decently high grade of wing chun. It is a very very good fighting style to cross train if you are an MMA fighter. Especially the like sort of close combat aspect of it i know it has a lot of short distance strikes which mix very well with the Muy Thai Clinch game.

 

 

 I most definitely would consider Judo a martial art. It is just more of a full contact martial art like taekwondo, muy thai, or brazilian jiu jitsu. Judo is a style of throws, pins, and sort of submissions that works well together and is exciting to watch. In my opinion it is also very dominant when combined with other styles as exhibited by the women's world champion Ronda Rousey. Shes 8 wins 0 losses all by armbar most of those armbars were transitions from a throw.

 

 

Bellator is honestly amazing. I like the way its run, i like the president... I dont like their sketchy contracts their fighters are under but overall i believe the fighters are treated much better than in the UFC. Contrary to what you may thing over his name War Machine is actually not very well known at all. I have encyclopedic knolege of this sport so i know him. He actually gets arrested like crazy and does porn. The most popular fighters i can think of would be Anderson Silva, Frank Mir, Tito Ortiz, Quinton "Rampage" JAckson, Lyoto Machida, Jon Jones, Brock Lesner, Maricio "Shogun" Rua, Fedor Emilianenko, Alistiar Overeem, BJ Penn, And Frankie Edgar.

 

 

Now if were talking about dominant single martial arts without cross training (Which everyone basically does now a days if they fight pro) i would honestly say jiu jitsu. You've seen muy thai and boxing right. Its very easy for them to clinch and grab each other. Well is someone who is good at BJJ(Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) is able to grab you they basically can end the fight. It would be very easy for them to jump guard and then choke out someone who has no knowledge of submission defense.

 

Tbh I've not known about Anderson being a Wing Chun guy, thought he was more Ju-Jujitsu and Muay Thai as well as various others, but like you say cross training in various styles is the way to go and what I'd like to so yeah probably has. I've read a couple of interviews with Anderson Silva and he's always come across very well in them and he's always seemed 'the guy' to me with my limited knowledge, although having seen his horrific leg break on Youtube I dunno how he's doing now. Other than still in hospital probably.

 

And yes you're right about Wing Chun, definitely a short range is a preferable distance, closing down a potential kicker and getting stuck in. Our biggest name at the moment is probably Robert Downey Jr :D

 

War Machine; like I said limited knowledge, he just seemed a big name in Bellator because of his branding and image. Good luck to him with it, I find him obnoxious, but that's probably just him playing IC. I also know of Brock, having seen him in WWE socially with my friends, and Tito, not many others of the top of my head. I do enjoy Bellator.

 

Annoyingly, submissions is something I've never really covered, Control & Restraint was an aspect that was due to come up soon before the school closed :( So yeah, I think finishing would be my problem atm as I have no idea how to deal with either applying or escape. If it had just stayed open for another 3 months to give me the grounding in that and defence against weapons I'd have been alright. <_<

[Cocodomoco]

The guy who broke Andersons leg is from Long Island, where i am from. His name is Chris Weidman. He just beat Anderson 2 times in a row solidifying his championship. I have taken classes taught by Chris before and met him. He comes to the brazilian jiu jitsu gym i train at in New York City every monday and takes the black belt class.

 

Even other martial arts that cover submissions really cover it limited compared to brazlian jiu jitsu.

I could list submissions and i think most martial arts cover 20% of them

There is:

Armbars

Triangle Chokes

collar choke 

Kimaura

Key Lock

Omoplata

Monoplata

Gogoplata

Brabo/D'arce Choke

Anaconda Choke

Peruvian Neck Tie

North South Choke

Triangle choke neck crank finish

Triangle-Armbar

crucifix

Twister

Kneebar

Ankle lock

Toe Hold

heel hook

inverted heel hook

 

Those are just off the top of my head...and on top of these their are tons of sweeps, passes, guard openers... my point is without studying this discipline by itself it is hard to know all of this. Just like i may learn a little wing chun if i take say a muy thai class they may incorporate some but i wont know how to attack or defend with all the techniques without learning the discipline. 

[Admiral Tim]

Good attitude. All I seem to find with instructors is a constant putting down of other martial arts <_< They all probably work, just some suit different people better than others.

 

Efficiency is good, and Wing Chun, although it is an art with its forms and use of Chi-Sau, can be just as rugged, crass, and all out brutal if needs be, although I wouldn't for one second doubt the abilities of anyone who is trained in Muay Thai. Every part of the body, with the obvious exception of the head, should be usable as a strike, especially knees and elbows as they are naturally more powerful simply as they're connected to the biggest muscles in the body. Like I said I've only trained to a relatively basic level, but when I did we primarily used straight chain punches; where one fist would shoot forward and straighten, dropping down for the other to replace it and continuing a continuous, almost piston like motion. Think of the pistons on the wheels of a train. You could do an almost limitless flurry of these as long as your stamina held out, hitting the same focused target again and again and again. Don't really do hooks or crosses or any of that, I do especially love the counter for the big swinging chavvy 'could see it coming in last week's newspaper' cross. :)

 

Kicks are mostly to sweep/trip, or stamp on something. Upon being asked how often I kicked before in Wing Chun, I told the TKD instructor that it wasn't often, it would be mostly a disguised kick to stamp through someone's knee. He visibly paled and said 'that's a bit brutal.' Well durr. :D

 

What I find fun is to compare different styles and see their strengths and weaknesses. I remember watching Donnie Chen as Ip man in two of his moves, his constant flurry of punches is amazing as is his "simultaneous defence and offence".  Muay Thai punches are just straight up boxing more or less.  Hit fast and hard.  You don't get half as many punches in as a Wing Chun fighter, but I guarantee that a cross to the face is deadly painful.  Even in a sparring session.  

 

As for kicks, the same mentality goes.  My Kru (Like the Si-Fu or sensei) or Muay Thai basically gives me an anatomy lesson of the body before introducing a new kick.  Obviously head kicks are almost an instant knock out but he tells us to try for our opponents liver as it will instantly cripple them.  The sciatic nerve in the thigh is another prime spot for a well landed thai-kick (Round-house kick).

 

Elbows and knees are both important but most clinch techniques are taught only to the serious fighters.  I can see why as clinching would be pretty useless in a street-fight.  If you can manage to clinch them, they probably have no knowledge of what to do when faced with a barrage of knees to the face.  But regular knees and flying knees are regularly practiced.  Elbows are the most situational moves.  Yes they pack devastating power but I find they are very hard to pull off.  In the clinch they are very useful but their lack of range makes them far inferior to punches and I can see why so many arts do not include them.

 

My Muay Thai gym is also getting a Jiu-Jitsu guy to come in and team.  I'm very interested in learning some ground work as I would have no clue what to do if tackled to the ground.  I agree with Coco in that Judo is a martial art.  It is an older form of grappling originated form Japan.  Anyways I was wondering, what is the difference between Brazilian and just regular Jiu-Jitsu?  

[Cocodomoco]

Well Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Basically The Brazilians specifically the gracie family commercialized jiu jitsu i guess you could say. They made it popular. Because Rorion (pronounced Heron) Gracie created the UFC to prove BJJ could beat any other single style of fighting. The styles are slightly different. Japanese jiu jitsu or rather jiu jitsu is honestly much better in my opinion, it is much more encouraging of leg locks. But japanese jiu jitsu is not really existent as a single martial art. ITs like somewhat integrated into other martial arts and their are small parts of it in each martial art... that is in america. In japan there are amazing pure jiu jitsu gyms. I have a friend in the Navy. He is in Japan and he actually met and trained with one of our fav pros, Masakazu Imanari.

[Admiral Tim]

Well Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Basically The Brazilians specifically the gracie family commercialized jiu jitsu i guess you could say. They made it popular. Because Rorion (pronounced Heron) Gracie created the UFC to prove BJJ could beat any other single style of fighting. The styles are slightly different. Japanese jiu jitsu or rather jiu jitsu is honestly much better in my opinion, it is much more encouraging of leg locks. But japanese jiu jitsu is not really existent as a single martial art. ITs like somewhat integrated into other martial arts and their are small parts of it in each martial art... that is in america. In japan there are amazing pure jiu jitsu gyms. I have a friend in the Navy. He is in Japan and he actually met and trained with one of our fav pros, Masakazu Imanari.

 

What does BJJ do that regular Jiu-Jitsu (JJ?) doesn't?  Also does anyone take taekwondo?  I'm partially from a korean heritage and my grandparents would be happy if I learned some of it.  

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

What does BJJ do that regular Jiu-Jitsu (JJ?) doesn't?  Also does anyone take taekwondo?  I'm partially from a korean heritage and my grandparents would be happy if I learned some of it.  

 

I took Tae-Kwon-Do for two weeks/three sessions.

 

The only two reason I looked at it was 1) local convenience after not liking other classes, and 2) Street Fighter's Juri. Really.

 

I had a couple of go's at it, and maybe it was just cuz I was sticking militantly to my Wing Chun guns, but I never really felt settled with it. I found trying to kick someone high up was a lot more strenuous to do for something that could, unless you got very good at it, be less effective/easier to deal with than punches, although yes ribs and the organs contained therein are a better kick target than head shots anyway, at first at least.

 

I think what my problem with it is, and the thing you need to discover is what you want from it. I was coming away from sessions with every muscle in my legs in pain, and the instructor was like "oh it'll be fine once you've worn away all the tendons and stuff so your legs are moving with less restrict on them"... Well great, but I don't particularly want to screw up my legs like that. Trying to kick is all well and good if you've had a good warm up and a stretch, but if you're in a pub on a Friday night and some drunk just suddenly tries to glass you, and you try to kick them to bits, you're just going to end up pulling something critical which meets not only your fighting ability will be restricted, but so will your ability to run away. At least that's my veiw.

 

My old Wing Chun teacher, who'd also done TKD and to whom I went for advice, told me this, which I agree with: Tae Kwon Do; as a fitness thing, brilliant. As a social thing; fantastic. As a competitive organised sport; one of the best of the MMA variety...

 

As a way of actually defending yourself in a real-life or death situation; shit.

[Cocodomoco]

Honestly taekwondo... It's basically dumbed down kickboxing. When I say dumbed down I don't mean it's bad or dumb. I mean there are a lot of techniques that you wouldn't really use in a fight. It's more of an art. It's semi full contact but it's basically kickboxing.


To answer the jiu jitsu question. You would learn everything the same but the focus I guess would be different.

[Admiral Tim]

Honestly taekwondo... It's basically dumbed down kickboxing. When I say dumbed down I don't mean it's bad or dumb. I mean there are a lot of techniques that you wouldn't really use in a fight. It's more of an art. It's semi full contact but it's basically kickboxing.


To answer the jiu jitsu question. You would learn everything the same but the focus I guess would be different.

 

Yes, some of the fighter mentality is lost when the main focus of the sport is to score points as opposed to defeat your opponent by unbalancing him, etc.