heraldry_lord Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 Exodius the Ultimate Forbidden Lord [Level 10/DARK/Spellcaster/Effect/ATK ?/DEF 0] Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) by shuffling all monsters in your Graveyard into the Deck, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. When this card declares an attack: Send 1 monster from your hand or Deck to the Graveyard. This card gains 1000 ATK for each Normal Monster in your Graveyard. If this face-up card would leave the field, banish it instead. If there are 5 different "Forbidden One" cards in your Graveyard that were sent there by this card's effect, you win the Duel. The best use I've seen for this guy is his Summoning Condition, which allows for Rank 10 Xyz plays and recycling monsters for reuse or preventing deck-outs. What about his actual effect though? Has anyone managed to efficiently get this guy to a respectable ATK, and this may be crazy to ask, but has anybody actually managed to pull his off his instant win? I like the concept of Exodius, since it gives a new dimension to winning with Exodia, and if he was like his anime version, his instant win would certainly be more viable. It's a good thing it isn't, but as someone who's fascinated with alternate win conditions, it'd be nice if this guy's win condition was more.....doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 I just found out how to give this guy decent ATK. Dragon Shrine and Foolish Burial. 3000 right there. So, I'm trying this out in a Dragon deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 Exodius is an awesome concept, but a little lacking in execution. The Summon Condition is awesome, able to recycle your Graveyard with ease. However, you must have at least 1 monster in your Graveyard, preventing you from Summoning 2 copies of it at once. Being a Foolish Burial every time it attacks is interesting, and gaining 1000 ATK per Normal Monster is...respectable, although it requires a lot of investment with your Deck to really buff it up. Also, it CAN die in battle, unlike the anime version, and that means the first attack either has to be against a defense monster, a very weak monster, or be a direct attack to prevent it from just killing itself. Then there's the matter of the win condition. 5 different "Forbidden One" cards is fortunately restricted to the 5 Exodia pieces. But that means you have to be running Exodia in your Deck in addition to this, and Exodia is generally considered a poorly designed win condition in itself, since DrawDrawDraw = win. Exodius represents an alternate means to use Exodia: Instead of gathering them, you want to get rid of them. But being so vulnerable to effects or battle just makes Exodius about as slow as Exodia itself, only that Exodius is outright contradicting the usual Exodia strategy by sending them to the Graveyard, so if Exodius dies, you now have to rely on retrieval options to win. The best combo for Exodius' win condition is Ojama Trio/etc and Diffusion Wave Motion to attack 5 times. But even that is inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 The Summon Condition is awesome, able to recycle your Graveyard with ease. However, you must have at least 1 monster in your Graveyard, preventing you from Summoning 2 copies of it at once. This 2x Foolish Burial in hand Profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Be a pro and play Snake Rain after you Summon this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Be a pro and play Snake Rain after you Summon this. Incidentally, guys like Exodius are the reason why a part of me wants Witch of the Black Forest to return. Right now, the only card that can search him is Justice of Prophecy, and Gold Sarc is at 1; as it stands, it's hard to build a deck around him. Correct me if I'm wrong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Incidentally, guys like Exodius are the reason why a part of me wants Witch of the Black Forest to return. Right now, the only card that can search him is Justice of Prophecy, and Gold Sarc is at 1; as it stands, it's hard to build a deck around him. Correct me if I'm wrong there. Witch should never return, sorry. FIRE anything, for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Witch should never return, sorry. FIRE anything, for starters. What I was trying to bring across is that Exodius, which I feel is boss monster material, has no reliable searcher; therefore, it's tough to build an Exodius deck if you feel like doing so. The best way currently to get him is dumping him with Dark Grepher or something, and then recovering him with Recurring Nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Well I run 1 in Dustons so they can party twice per duel. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopy Star - Eon Sphere Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 I did manage to get off the instant win condition once, in a deck designed around it. Against Wind-Ups, who swarmed the field with 5 monsters, I just got a monster in Grave, summoned Exodius, Activated Diffusion-Wave Motion, Spell Wall (so he couldn't respond) and promptly attacked 5 times and dumped Exodia. Never happened again and I deleted the deck shortly afterwards. OT: Solid card, and has food utility, but isn't efficient enough to warrant an entire deck built around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Witch should never return, sorry.FIRE anything, for starters.UMMMMMM.....Pretty sure that's NOT the reason why Witch is banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 UMMMMMM..... Pretty sure that's NOT the reason why Witch is banned. I've been wanting to ask this for a while but I keep forgetting. What's that Rabbit in your sig near Uniflora? =0 On-Topic: Obligatory Ojama Trio + Diffusion Wave-Motion for the win. Or proceed to then use Dragon's Mirror and bring out Blue-Eyes Ultimate like a pro. Exodus will then use Magical Dimension for Lord of D./pro. But more seriously speaking Exodus is meant to give Exodia a more interactive build. They downright say "the pieces have to be sent by this effect" so no Foolish Burial shortcuts and effects that eat through the deck to make it faster. Nowadays, one would expect it to at least have kept a "this attacking card cannot be destroyed by battle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 UMMMMMM..... Pretty sure that's NOT the reason why Witch is banned. I was just making a statement based on some of the obvious meta today that would use it. Forgive me, but what else can it add? I'm too lazy to look. I know some obvious ones. And on topic, I too was wondering why they didn't go with "this attacking card cannot be destroyed by battle," it sounds better. I mean, for an Ultimate Fobidden Lord, I think Rescue Cat does better than this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:^) Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 This came out in April but still http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFQhEuUDof0 I'm glad that someone did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 This came out in April but still http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFQhEuUDof0 I'm glad that someone did this. Why did he not use Message in a bottle and SS Guide, Maxx C, and Veiler? Then Exodius, and Galaxy Queens Light. 2 Gustav, 4000 Damage, and 6000 Direct Attack? Then again, he is trying to show us a combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Why did he not use Message in a bottle and SS Guide, Maxx C, and Veiler? Then Exodius, and Galaxy Queens Light. 2 Gustav, 4000 Damage, and 6000 Direct Attack? Then again, he is trying to show us a combo. You can't Special Summon other monsters the turn you resolve Message in a Bottle, except by Xyz Summoning. i.e. You can't summon Exodius and use Message in a Bottle in the same turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Would be drastically helpful if Exodius even had a shred of self-protection. But no, this was adapted near the GX era and got nerfed to high heaven during the transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 You can't Special Summon other monsters the turn you resolve Message in a Bottle, except by Xyz Summoning. i.e. You can't summon Exodius and use Message in a Bottle in the same turn. Welp. I forgot about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 There is also an OTK with this and Venus, but it's not great: NS Venus and grab 2 Shine Balls and go into Phoenix, detaching and targeting itself. Then return Shine Ball to deck to summon Exodius. Then use Venus to grab 2 more Shine Balls and make a second Phoenix, detaching again to put Exodius on 1000. 1500+1500+1500+1500+1600+1000= 8600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Would be drastically helpful if Exodius even had a shred of self-protection. But no, this was adapted near the GX era and got nerfed to high heaven during the transition. The anime version was stupidly powerful though. Blanket immunity and 3 turns to auto-win is not fair. Did they overdo it? Yes. Should they have left him as-is? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 The anime version was stupidly powerful though.Anime version was stupid because if there are 5 Exodia Limbs in the Graveyard, regardless of how they are sent, Exodius declares an auto-win. with or without having to send them itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Anime version was stupid because if there are 5 Exodia Limbs in the Graveyard, regardless of how they are sent, Exodius declares an auto-win. with or without having to send them itself. Which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't also unkillable. Both times it got played the opponent could beat over it/remove it with effects, but that immunity idol it has up its ass said no. It had to be killed with the most complicated and fridge logic-ridden effect yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't also unkillable. Both times it got played the opponent could beat over it/remove it with effects, but that immunity idol it has up its ass said no. It had to be killed with the most complicated and fridge logic-ridden effect yet. Yeah...Armityle exists to not make sense in the anime. "Summon me using an absurdly convoluted method. Treat me as having 10,000 ATK, but don't inflict Battle Damage, and monsters killed by me in battle count as being destroyed by a card effect instead. For no logical reason, I switch control of myself to the opponent, and nuke all their monsters for no reason." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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