Althemia Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sO913dX5-o[/media]3 Vampire Sorcerer3 Shadow Vampire3 Vampire Duke2 Vampire Grace3 Goblin Zombie2 Mezuki1 Zombie Master3 Vampire Kingdom3 Mystical Space Typhoon2 Soul Exchange2 Transmodify1 Allure of Darkness1 Burial from the Different Dimension1 Foolish Burial3 Vampire Takeover2 Mirror Force2 Phoenix Wing Wind Blast1 Compulsory Evacuation Device1 Sixth Sense1 Torrential TributeConsidering dropping the PWWBs for a Book of Life and a maindeck Eradicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Just out of curiosity, has Takeover ever became a dead draw for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondWar Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 -2 Goblin Zombie; +2 Spirit Conductor -1 Burial -1 Vampire Takeover, +2 Instant Fusion -1 Gagaga Cowboy, -1 Crimson Beam, +2 Reaper on the Nightmare Spirit Conductor + Transmodify = Crimson Beam Transformify + Instant Fusion = Crimson Beam Instant Fusion + Spirit Conductor = Crimson Beam, without using their normal summon. In addition, you can use Reaper for tribute it and summon Shadow or Duke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 -2 Goblin Zombie; +2 Spirit Conductor -1 Burial -1 Vampire Takeover, +2 Instant Fusion -1 Gagaga Cowboy, -1 Crimson Beam, +2 Reaper on the Nightmare Spirit Conductor + Transmodify = Crimson Beam Transformify + Instant Fusion = Crimson Beam Instant Fusion + Spirit Conductor = Crimson Beam, without using their normal summon. In addition, you can use Reaper for tribute it and summon Shadow or Duke. Spirit Conductor summons from the hand... so no. EDIT: And his name is Skull Conductor. I think 1 Vampire Hunter for Side Deck would be neat... it's searchable, and can kill Ophion by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondWar Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Spirit Conductor summons from the hand... so no. EDIT: And his name is Skull Conductor. I think 1 Vampire Hunter for Side Deck would be neat... it's searchable, and can kill Ophion by himself. Skull conductor yes. Besides creating various combos, lets get rid of a "dead hand", since this deck is a good chance you see only monsters level 5 in hand. It is an option. Also recommend Il Buld, although I have not tested it much ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 why in the world are you recommending cards you havent tested? or skull conductor? soul exchange does the same thing here except it allows them to activate their effects and continues to work under vanity's (and in fact will kill vanity's). my only suggestion is to swap a pwwb for break, because there are cards you dont wanna stack, even in a deck like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondWar Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 why in the world are you recommending cards you havent tested? or skull conductor? soul exchange does the same thing here except it allows them to activate their effects and continues to work under vanity's (and in fact will kill vanity's). my only suggestion is to swap a pwwb for break, because there are cards you dont wanna stack, even in a deck like this. One question: if you start first, how you intend to use Soul excange? Not to mention that soul excange "kill" your Battle Phase, and is more recommended for decks that rely EXCLUSIVELY of Tribute, as the Monarchs deck. In Vampires, you are not required to use the effects of Shadow or Duke to invoke Crimson Beam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 One question: if you start first, how you intend to use Soul excange?. Not to mention that soul excange "kill" your Battle Phase, and is more recommended for decks that rely EXCLUSIVELY of Tribute, as the Monarchs deck. In Vampires, you are not required to use the effects of Shadow or Duke to invoke Crimson Beam. But Soul Exchange can take off monsters that can't be destroyed by card effects or battle, and allow you to set up for your next play. Not to mention, with Shadow's effect, only the monster you summoned would be able to attack anyway, and if you actually summon Bram, you wouldn't be able to attack at all! So, SE is actually good here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondWar Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 But Soul Exchange can take off monsters that can't be destroyed by card effects or battle, and allow you to set up for your next play. Not to mention, with Shadow's effect, only the monster you summoned would be able to attack anyway, and if you actually summon Bram, you wouldn't be able to attack at all! So, SE is actually good here. Yes, but skull conductor has the advantage of being used in any round, including the first, and do not cancel your Battle Phase. I also see no reason not to use it. And more: how to use your excange NORMAL summon, if the opponent use Bottomless, Torrential or any card of the same effect, X (. But as the effect of Conductor (Special Summon), even if the opponent use any cards, you still have the your Normal Summon, and can use it if you have any other level 4 monster in your hand (matching Transmodify, for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yes, but skull conductor has the advantage of being used in any round, including the first, and do not cancel your Battle Phase. I also see no reason not to use it. And more: how to use your excange NORMAL summon, if the opponent use Bottomless, Torrential or any card of the same effect, X (. But as the effect of Conductor (Special Summon), even if the opponent use any cards, you still have the your Normal Summon, and can use it if you have any other level 4 monster in your hand (matching Transmodify, for example). You didn't read my post: you WILL lose your Battle Phase (almost) completely by using Shadow's effect anyway, so why not profiting from a disadvantageous situation instead of relying on a sub-par card that makes you lose advantage and don't even get most of the effects needed to make the Deck work anyway, while, at the same time, getting rid of that annoying Draco-Sac or Lead Yoke that's making your gaming experience a living hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondWar Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 You didn't read my post: you WILL lose your Battle Phase (almost) completely by using Shadow's effect anyway, so why not profiting from a disadvantageous situation instead of relying on a sub-par card that makes you lose advantage and don't even get most of the effects needed to make the Deck work anyway, while, at the same time, getting rid of that annoying Draco-Sac or Lead Yoke that's making your gaming experience a living hell? Always lose? Understand, I'm not trying to say the effects of Shadow, Duke or excange are not good. But based around the deck only Normal Summon Tribute to Bram only purpose is error. Excange is good in this deck, I admit it (better Transmodify, I tested a few times in my deck). But as you are talking, it seems that the deck relies only by Bram Normal Summon, and that's not true. Remember that only Normal Summon Shadow makes the deck. If you happen to get your hand in the duel with Duke, for example? You can use Instant Fusion (Reaper on the Nightmare) Normal and Duke, even if it has not Shadow or other level 5 Zombie in the cemetery. Or if you do not start with Excange, but Insfant Fusion and Skull Conductor? You can Special Summon them and detach Shadow for a future Duke. I believe the deck is so much better. NOTE: You hope will always come with Shadow and excange in hand, together, or with Duke, excange, Shadow and another level 5 in the cemetery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Always lose? Understand, I'm not trying to say the effects of Shadow, Duke or excange are not good. But based around the deck only Normal Summon Tribute to Bram only purpose is error. Excange is good in this deck, I admit it (better Transmodify, I tested a few times in my deck). But as you are talking, it seems that the deck relies only by Bram Normal Summon, and that's not true. Remember that only Normal Summon Shadow makes the deck. If you happen to get your hand in the duel with Duke, for example? You can use Instant Fusion (Reaper on the Nightmare) Normal and Duke, even if it has not Shadow or other level 5 Zombie in the cemetery. Or if you do not start with Excange, but Insfant Fusion and Skull Conductor? You can Special Summon them and detach Shadow for a future Duke. I believe the deck is so much better. NOTE: You hope will always come with Shadow and excange in hand, together, or with Duke, excange, Shadow and another level 5 in the cemetery? Wow, you killed English so hard in that phrase, but, whatever. Yeah you've got a point, base the deck around a single card isn't good. But I still think Skull Conductor is bad. Instant Fusion, on the other hand, can be worthwhile. But what I really wanted to see is the topic's owner's opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondWar Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Wow, you killed English so hard in that phrase, but, whatever. Yeah you've got a point, base the deck around a single card isn't good. But I still think Skull Conductor is bad. Instant Fusion, on the other hand, can be worthwhile. But what I really wanted to see is the topic's owner's opinion. 1 - I'm Brazilian, and i use Google Translator. 2 - True, I have not seen so far any opinion of the owner of the topic ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted November 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Skull Conductor is abysmal. Never going to even consider it because exactly 2000 ew for a card that will be a dead draw a lot of the time.Instant Fusion was something that I tested and didn't like if I'm honest. I can understand why you would like it but I'd much rather play some really good stun cards and some powerful other options that allow me to make the most of Zombies abilities to generally just do things.Soul Exchange is the stones of a card because you nearly always come out with a +0/+1 and with that you're also making a Bram that nets you even more cards. Then there's the fact that it's a set-up card in general and it's just like yeah I wouldn't consider dropping this and I've even been testing this at 3, which has been even better than I expected.Also @"Deck shouldn't be NS Bram for game" argument: That's not what this deck revolves around. Hell, I don't even make Bram that much honestly. I just revolve around big beats with Duke and Shadow Vamp constantly netting me little destruction over and over again while maintaining a good board state as Zombies should really. More than anything I tend to make Adreus in order to continue popping cards on their board and eliminating potential threats until they're at the point where they're just in no position to come back. Bram is really good, I do admit, but I have much preferred just whittling away at someone by making them throw away important cards while taking out the cards that they currently have. Also tbf Mezuki is a really good card so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 1 - I'm Brazilian, and i use Google Translator. 2 - True, I have not seen so far any opinion of the owner of the topic ... Wow, me too! Except that part about Google Translator XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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