Pokemon X & Y (Post Launch)

[BehindTheMask]

Was just looking through some possibilities for team members. Realized that Scizor could learn Defog.

 

Any thoughts on running it with that?

 

Its bulky and can pivot, has priority, and roost. Its a nice toolbox poke.

 

Dunno a good teammate(s) with it though

 

EDIT: I added you btw, I'm on right now

[Flame Dragon]

Was just looking through some possibilities for team members. Realized that Scizor could learn Defog.
 
Any thoughts on running it with that?

Scizor is one of the better users of it, so if you want it for your team go for it.

[evilfusion]

Power Items do work with Destiny Knot (though doing so prevents you from passing Nature with an Everstone). It'll inherit the Power Item stat and 4 other IVs.

[vla1ne]

Power Items do work with Destiny Knot (though doing so prevents you from passing Nature with an Everstone). It'll inherit the Power Item stat and 4 other IVs.

If it gives a total of 5 IV's then I can live with random nature breeding. Getting the right nature (for me) is way easier than getting the right IV's

[Flame Dragon]

If it gives a total of 5 IV's then I can live with random nature breeding. Getting the right nature (for me) is way easier than getting the right IV's

No, it really isn't. If you have 2 4 IV parents with overlap in 3 you have a 1/24 chance of getting a baby with a perfect 5. If you instead use the Power Items you instead have a 1/12 of getting the full perfect and a 1/25 chance of getting the nature you want. Yea, it is WAY worse. Granted, you can just breed the 5 IV parent with a 4 IV holding an Everstone, but that just seems like more work.

[Agro]

No, it really isn't. If you have 2 4 IV parents with overlap in 3 you have a 1/24 chance of getting a baby with a perfect 5. If you instead use the Power Items you instead have a 1/12 of getting the full perfect and a 1/25 chance of getting the nature you want. Yea, it is WAY worse. Granted, you can just breed the 5 IV parent with a 4 IV holding an Everstone, but that just seems like more work.

It isn't more work. It's worked extremely well for me.

 

It's so much easier to just go for the 1/12 chance and then go after the right nature with the 5 & 4. Sure, the final chances probably feel about the same, but I'd rather push my luck with those 2 lower odds than a single higher odd.

[Flame Dragon]

It isn't more work. It's worked extremely well for me.
 
It's so much easier to just go for the 1/12 chance and then go after the right nature with the 5 & 4. Sure, the final chances probably feel about the same, but I'd rather push my luck with those 2 lower odds than a single higher odd.

It is actually just the same. Your at 1/12 and then another 1/12. In theory it should take you the exact same number as just going with Everstone at the start. Its really all a matter of taste I guess, but I like it when the babies have actual natures and not useless ones.

[The Warden]

I'd rather try to gamble with the IVs than the nature. With there being 25 of the damn things I'd rather try my hand with IVs rather than with natures, much less risk that way.

[Agro]

I'd rather try to gamble with the IVs than the nature. With there being 25 of the damn things I'd rather try my hand with IVs rather than with natures, much less risk that way.

But you're not gambling with nature that way. Everstone guarantees the nature. If you work out the IVs first, you can much more easily get the nature you need than if you do it vice versa.

[vla1ne]

But you're not gambling with nature that way. Everstone guarantees the nature. If you work out the IVs first, you can much more easily get the nature you need than if you do it vice versa.

This, pretty much. usually, there's at least 4 different sets of natures that I can live with on a pokemon (those being the neutral ones and the beneficial one). occasionally the pokemon I'm raising has multiple playstyles, leading to about 1/5 different natures that, If not always optimal, are (usually) far easier to get and live with/ pass down than chances of a semi-perfect IV setup. If You're going for optimal nature, it's about the same difficulty, but If you just want something that won't get in your way, then yeah, It's usually easier to just aim for a non harmful nature than a decent 5IV setup.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Most of my Pokes have different playstyles so their desired natures vary (though most of my stuff I'm using for team now are special sweeping, so Timid is what I generally run on those).

I don't really care about having 5/6 perfect IVs, though I'd like it if it has decent IVs to work with all around (priority on the attacking stats/speed though).

 

But like via1ne, I'm content with neutral natures or ones that boost stuff I need but cut stats that I don't (i.e. - atk on the Eon twins or -spatk on Garchomp/Metagross [I have no intent on running ChainChomp anytime in the future]). If any of them come out with natures I don't like, either it's GTSed or I go Wonder Trade it in the case of normal Pokes. Legendaries, I either accept it and run a different moveset than what Smogon recommends or try to get a new one on GTS that's hopefully better than what I got rid of.

[vla1ne]

Speaking of Smogon, what's the general opinion here on using items like quick claw and kings rock? I've been running into a lot of hate for my quick claw Venasaur getting lucky wins against things like garchomps and mega kahn/gars.

I laugh about it, but yeah, people seem to hate the claw/crown(mostly claw though)

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I read some of their analyses on those items; the chances they activate are 1 in 10, but if you get them to work, your opponent won't be happy about it (either they get increased chance to flinch or a somewhat slow Pokemon suddenly outrunning their base 120+ spd sweeper)

 

Personally, I don't use those items. If I wanted a Poke to go first (Claw), I'd just use a quick one to start with (or keep a Choice Scarf on them or something).

For flinching stuff (Claw), Serene Grace + Iron Head Jirachi or Sky Shaymin + Air Slash does it more consistently. 

[The Warden]

You forgot Air Slash Serene Grace Togekiss.

[vla1ne]

You forgot Air Slash Serene Grace Togekiss.

I was mostly thinking of items, but yeah. I also forgot things like brightpowder and lax incense. they aren't actually threats on their own IMO, but some people really don't like playing against them.

[Cin]

Well beat X again and the after story whilst watching my parents betting on greyhounds last night. No idea what I shall do next other than try to get Shiny babies.

[evilfusion]

Speaking of Smogon, what's the general opinion here on using items like quick claw and kings rock? I've been running into a lot of hate for my quick claw Venasaur getting lucky wins against things like garchomps and mega kahn/gars.

I laugh about it, but yeah, people seem to hate the claw/crown(mostly claw though)

 

Claw is evil. I've lost games in Battle Maison/other game equivalents because the opponent had a Quick Claw on one of their Pokes. It's an item that can completely reverse an outcome based on random chance. There's always chance involved with things like accuracy or added effects, but Quick Claw explicitly turns an expectation on its head by having a Pokemon attack first, disregarding speed (but not priority).

[vla1ne]

Claw is evil. I've lost games in Battle Maison/other game equivalents because the opponent had a Quick Claw on one of their Pokes. It's an item that can completely reverse an outcome based on random chance. There's always chance involved with things like accuracy or added effects, but Quick Claw explicitly turns an expectation on its head by having a Pokemon attack first, disregarding speed (but not priority).

I still think the Game cheats with their quick claws how the hell did they get 3 activations in a row. But aside from that, I do like the fact that a well placed quick claw can save your life in a tight match. Sort of like a semi-present Choice Scarf.

[The Warden]

The game DOES cheat dude. Like, in the Maison, it cheats its brains out constantly. I was doing doubles, and the Rhydon came out of nowhere with a Quick Claw that took out my Charizard. Had it not I would have annihilated its partner.

 

Plus, the game constantly spits out some ridiculously OP. There's a reason why the Maison and the Institute are the ultimate tests. as they make you constantly fight against pokemon that are broken by anyone's standards. Even the original Tower back from RSE was cheap by having bred Pokemon. I shiver with fear everytime I saw a Tower Milotic, since they ALWAYS have Mirror Coat. ALWAYS.

[Βyakuya]

It's been pretty easy for me to sweep the Maison.

 

I use my Tachyon (Charizard Y) to sweep every Pokemon with a decent amount of speed and massive Sp. Atk. Opponent has rock moves? Throw in Aegislash or some other invulnerable Pokemon to sweep. Though my friend used a spread involving Trick + Latias and then sweeping with enhanced stats + his shiny Entei. Either way I managed to get 200+ BP in the Super Singles. But the most memorable adversary is Blissey. Fricking Blissey.

[Agro]

You forgot Air Slash Serene Grace Togekiss.

Note it can also learn Extrasensory, Twister, Headbutt, Rest/Snore for similar results.

[The Warden]

I know, but Air Slash is prime due to STAB, despite the strange reduced accuracy.

[Agro]

I know, but Rest/Snore just seems like a funny subset on that.

 

Loads of Bulk + Sleep + Continuous flinching while you're waiting to wake up.

[-Berserker-]

I have much fun with Kingccino. If I understand correctly, each hit of the multi-hit moves has their separate chance of inflicting Flinch with King's Rock; so, with Skill Link, you have like 50% chance to make them flinch.

[Flame Dragon]

The game DOES cheat dude. Like, in the Maison, it cheats its brains out constantly. I was doing doubles, and the Rhydon came out of nowhere with a Quick Claw that took out my Charizard. Had it not I would have annihilated its partner.
 
Plus, the game constantly spits out some ridiculously OP. There's a reason why the Maison and the Institute are the ultimate tests. as they make you constantly fight against pokemon that are broken by anyone's standards. Even the original Tower back from RSE was cheap by having bred Pokemon. I shiver with fear everytime I saw a Tower Milotic, since they ALWAYS have Mirror Coat. ALWAYS.

I'm almost certain the high ranked opponents in those have IV breeded and EV trained pokemon. Might not be 100% competitive, but they are made to be their actual best.