Fusion X. Denver Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 If Jinora was Korra's guide to the Spirit World, couldn't she also be Tenzin's guide? I mean, for cryin' out loud. What a baby. I don't think it's possible unless that person has high spirituality or whatnot. Otherwise, I think they'd try to have Kya and Bumi go too to be sure it goes well. Rest of the episode was alright, still sad over Varrick being evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I don't think it's possible unless that person has high spirituality or whatnot.But they're taking Korra...On-topic: In TLA I always felt the "spirit" aspects to be the least developed and therefore poorest part of the story. I always just kinda shrugged it off usually since I felt it was purposely meant to be vague, but Korra's just kinda bringing it all to the forefront.I always kinda assumed spirits were borderline deities. The Moon Spirit's death almost destroyed the world, and the ocean spirit combining with Aang destroyed an entire fire nation armada effortlessly. The kind Lion Turtle gifted Aang with the power to remove bending. And even though Koh and Wan Shi Tong never did anything too amazing, it always felt like they were holding back. Koh could easily steal Aang's face, but he just chose not to. Wan Shi Tong was brilliant and most likely very powerful. It knew all styles of waterbending and was likely a very capable of fighter.But the spirits in Korra are all just jokes. What's the point of being "super spiritual" if the spirits you talk to are just a bunch of dumb idiots. I thought the Odd Spirit was just an exception, not the rule.So anyway, they brough back Wan Shi Tong and Iroh for some reason. The brilliant owl spirit is just kind of a dumb idiot. "Umm... a little man in a box?" I can understand being mistaken, but he spoke in such an unconfident tone. Wan Shi Tong should have gaven his answer with confident and barked at Jinora for saying otherwise, especially with no proof. Why he let her into his library to begin with is still a complete mystery. The last humans he let in desecrated his library, so sure let's let this new girl have a whack at it.And Jinora just kind of stupids her way into the solution. "Man, I sure wish I had a map to the southern portal!" and then the fox literally grabs her the information she needed in the span of 5 seconds. Like, at least Sokka and Aang kinda had to work for it with the calendar.So then there's Korra's adventure. For some reason Korra's VA got fired for half the episode and she's stuck as a child for the entire sequence with Iroh, for some reason. Also Iroh's alive and well in the spirit world. Apparently as a very spiritual man he was able to leave his mortal coil behind and etc etc.The whole trip to the spirit world just felt like total BS. The Spirit World should be used as a means to enrich the story, not as the entire base of the story, because the Spirit World has a whole lot of nonsense rules that need explaining. The real Avatar World and the stories within are like ice cream. The Spirit World is just sprinkles. Eating a bowl of sprinkles is just bad, just like basing a plot entirely on the Spirit World is bad.in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 And Jinora just kind of stupids her way into the solution. "Man, I sure wish I had a map to the southern portal!" and then the fox literally grabs her the information she needed in the span of 5 seconds. Like, at least Sokka and Aang kinda had to work for it with the calendar.   See, I thought it was more her asking the fox for help. She knows how the fox's act in that they help people who are looking for knowledge find it. It was smart of her to go "O, I can't find what I need in this giant library, maybe I should ask the creatures that live hear". I do think they  scred with Wan Shi Tong way to much. Seriously, why is he helping Unalaq when he knows he is trying to free the spirit of darkness.  I liked seeing Iroh, its so obvious what they are trying to do with that.  Also it feels like the show just knows Korra is a poor character by having half her time in the spirit world be spent with her as a giant ball of negative energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Not to mention how Korra was more mature and accomplished more as a child. Although that was partly because Iroh was there to guide her, so really, no matter what, Korra will ALWAYS need someone to hold her hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 After giving the episode a little more time to digest, I have two troubling issues with his episode:1) Why was Jinora in the Spirit World?I understand that she's Korra's guide into the Spirit World and all that, but her character served absolutely no purpose with regards to "guiding" her. They got seperated nearly instantly and then Iroh guided Korra most of the way. Jinora found the library and got to give the audience some exposition, but it was stuff the audience and Korra already knew. Jinora then got kidnapped by Unalaq, who then forced Korra to open the Northern Portal. Jinora would have been better off sitting on her hands and leaving immediately after letting Korra into the Spirit World.2) Why was Korra in the Spirit World?The portal can only be opened by the Avatar. They tell us this point blank in the episodes with Wan. Unalaq's plan has two steps. Make Korra open the Southern Portal, then make her open the Northern Portal. So as the Avatar, why would you even get anywhere close to the Northern Portal? She knows where it is, she saw it when she met Avatar Wan. She'd have been better off sitting on Jinora's hands, sipping some cactus juice on Ember Island instead of going to the Spirit World and doing exactly what the villain wants.Random unorganized thoughts:So the Northern and Southern Portal are right next to each other in the Spirit World. In the real world they're on the other sides of the world. Why didn't he suggest they enter the Southern Portal, go into the Spirit World, and have Korra open the Northern Portal that very same night? It was literally just a half mile jog from where they were in episode two. Instead he brought her back home, let her see the Northern Tribe invading, started the war, brought animosity between them, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 After giving the episode a little more time to digest, I have two troubling issues with his episode:1) Why was Jinora in the Spirit World? I understand that she's Korra's guide into the Spirit World and all that, but her character served absolutely no purpose with regards to "guiding" her. They got seperated nearly instantly and then Iroh guided Korra most of the way. Jinora found the library and got to give the audience some exposition, but it was stuff the audience and Korra already knew. Jinora then got kidnapped by Unalaq, who then forced Korra to open the Northern Portal. Jinora would have been better off sitting on her hands and leaving immediately after letting Korra into the Spirit World.2) Why was Korra in the Spirit World? The portal can only be opened by the Avatar. They tell us this point blank in the episodes with Wan. Unalaq's plan has two steps. Make Korra open the Southern Portal, then make her open the Northern Portal. So as the Avatar, why would you even get anywhere close to the Northern Portal? She knows where it is, she saw it when she met Avatar Wan. She'd have been better off sitting on Jinora's hands, sipping some cactus juice on Ember Island instead of going to the Spirit World and doing exactly what the villain wants. Random unorganized thoughts: So the Northern and Southern Portal are right next to each other in the Spirit World. In the real world they're on the other sides of the world. Why didn't he suggest they enter the Southern Portal, go into the Spirit World, and have Korra open the Northern Portal that very same night? It was literally just a half mile jog from where they were in episode two. Instead he brought her back home, let her see the Northern Tribe invading, started the war, brought animosity between them, and so on.    As we saw in the episode Korra only makes things worse in the Spirit World since she is always angry and negative so I think Jinora was going to help her keep that in check. I mean she did seem to know the relation between human emotions and spirit emotions. It was stupid for her to go anywhere near the portals since even if the southern one really need to be closed she just could have wait until after the harmonic convergence.  As for why Unalaq didn't have Korra open the northern portal from the other side my guess is Vaatu would have been a hard thing for him to explain. Thats about it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013  As for why Unalaq didn't have Korra open the northern portal from the other side my guess is Vaatu would have been a hard thing for him to explain. Thats about it though.Yeah, but Korra doesn't know dick about spirits and never went to the Spirit World. Even Jinora, who's much more spiritual, didn't know about Vaatu. He could have done what he does best and just lied to her."This spirit is the source of a lot of negative energy. Once he's exposed to the divine light of the outside world, we'll all be much better off."Or something else. I mean, he had been planning this for quite some time, I'd assume.I'm sick of always being a downer in these topics, so I think the one thing that made me not throw my television out the window was Unalaq's quick little throwaway line: "If you had gone through the portal you could do this" and he starts waterbending. I was super enraged that he and his kids could bend in the Spirit World last episode so I'm glad they cleared up some of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I was not expecting to see Uncle Iroh, but it's freaking great. I really missed him. Â He's like a Force Ghost now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 He's like a Force Ghost now.   You know, I never thought of that, but he kind of is isn't he.   I'm curious, who else has been watching Doug Walker's VLogs for Korra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 I have Flame Dragon. He does make a lot of good points too. As for Iroh being a spirit i just laughed thinking about him about to die but giving the grim reaper the finger and begin like, "f*ck this I'mma go hang out in the sprit world and drink mystical light tea and sh*t." Also the only reason Korra recognized Iroh was because she knew him in her previous life. He hadn't been watching over her, he even stated he was hanging out eithhis new spirit friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Varrick's still the best character on the show by far.This episode was pretty good by Korra's standards, if predictable. But then again it's a Nickelodeon show aimed for babies so whatever.Season finale is apparently going to be airing on Nick(dot)com tonight at midnight EST (two hours from now), in case ya'll hadn't heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Lol Double Post.Watch the series finale here, if you're in America:http://www.nick.com/videos/playlist/play/legend-of-korra-book-2-125-126-playlist.htmlIf not in America, find a proxy.Just finished watching the last episode. Gonna... give it some time to digest before blurting whatever I'm thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren✧ Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Lol Double Post. Watch the series finale here, if you're in America:http://www.nick.com/videos/playlist/play/legend-of-korra-book-2-125-126-playlist.html If not in America, find a proxy. Just finished watching the last episode. Gonna... give it some time to digest before blurting whatever I'm thinking.  Well since everyone hasn't seen it yet I will keep my mouth shut(mostly), but just in case you want absolutely nothing spoiled, I will put what I have to say in a spoiler.  [spoiler=DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU WANT SPOILERS] The feels are tearing me apart. No more Makorra?! And yet somehow I feel strangely satisfied. I have become too emotionally invested, and it is wonderfully terrible. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 [spoiler=Spoiler] I like that they broke up Mako and Korra for realz. The relationship didn't work. The final fight was...............odd. Giant energy being battle was not what I was expecting. Also ended kind of abruptly. I do like her leaving open the door between the worlds. Don't like that they might be cutting her off from the past lives. Hopefully they will restore the connection in the next season. Over all it ended on a high note, but the start was so bla so I'm not sure I'm saying much. Also, why didn't ripping light spirit out kill Korra? They were one. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren✧ Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 [spoiler=Spoiler] I like that they broke up Mako and Korra for realz. The relationship didn't work. The final fight was...............odd. Giant energy being battle was not what I was expecting. Also ended kind of abruptly. I do like her leaving open the door between the worlds. Don't like that they might be cutting her off from the past lives. Hopefully they will restore the connection in the next season. Over all it ended on a high note, but the start was so bla so I'm not sure I'm saying much. [/spoiler]  [spoiler=Spoiler] I can sympathize with the need to end the relationship. But God, they are just both so attractive and it is just so sad that they won't be making babies. :( Final fight...I enjoyed from the perspective that I get to see two giants attack each other, but it was definitely un-Avatar-like...ironically they were battling with giant avatars Leaving the portals open is wonderful, and could lead into an interesting third season Cutting off of past lives is fine so long as she gets them back [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 [spoiler=Spoiler] Overall I enjoyed watching the last four episodes. Bumi was funny in his rescue thing, Bolin was hilarious as always and was cool during the movie premiere, I still like that Varrick retained his character and remained funny until the very end despite being outed, I liked Tenzin coming to terms with himself, and I feel Korra made a bit of improvement to herself as well. I found the fights with normal Unalaq more compelling than the final battle though. He kept saying he was the new avatar, but he never used anything besides water... And I honestly never got behind MaKorra, so I'm fine with them ending. And it's good they were both mature and sensible about it compared to last time (that time when she still had amnesia was really funny too). I'm guessing next book will be something like Book 3: Avatar and her either coming to terms with being the last Avatar or being able to restore the connection.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 The final battle was awesome, if unexpected, but still awesome.  Also, I loved Varrick, as usual. In the wise words of Zangief, "You are bad guy, but this does not mean you are bad guy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 My opinions on the last 4 episodes... [spoiler="spoiler"]I mentioned in an earlier post how I disliked the Spirit World because it played by it's own rules. Stuff makes sense, or about as much sense as a 1920's asian inspired martial arts with magic elements show typically does. But with the spirit world, any random thing can happen. So that's my biggest issue with... just about the entire season. It's pretty much ridiculous asspull after ridiculous asspull. Unalaq became super powerful and started wrecking Republic City, Godzilla style. Oh, Korra found herself a magical tree to meditate inside that gave her pure cosmic energy and allowed her to instantly become 20 stories tall and fly to Republic City. Oh no! Korra's getting her ass beat by Unalaq. It's okay though, 'cause Jinora literally descended from heaven to save the day. If she was on an elevated platform, it would literally be the definition of a Deus Ex Machina from ancient Greece. Varrick's plot made sense (in that, it was grounded in reality. Not as in "everyones motivation and thoughts and plans were logical and reasonable.") Most things involving the Spirit Portal were just nonsense. Why attempt to close the Portal from inside when it would be safer to do so from the outside? Why would a guy who thought he was doing the right thing call himself the "Dark" Avatar? Why didn't Tenzin save anyone else other than himself, his siblings, and his daughter when they were in the mist? Why did Tenzin allow Korra to keep the portal open when, every single time humans and spirits ever interacted, bad things always happened for all of recorded history, including five minutes ago when he and his siblings were tossed into an eternal prison of their own worst hells? Since they made it clear neither Vatu or Rava could die, where did Vatu go exactly? Since he was no longer imprisoned in the tree, couldn't he just return and cause more trouble? If Unalaq/Vatu were able to remove Rava from Korra before killing Rava, why couldn't Korra do the same to Unalaq?[/spoiler] I guess the biggest question I have, and one that I'll post to everyone is... Which did you prefer? Season 1 or Season 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren✧ Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 My opinions on the last 4 episodes... [spoiler="spoiler"]I mentioned in an earlier post how I disliked the Spirit World because it played by it's own rules. Stuff makes sense, or about as much sense as a 1920's asian inspired martial arts with magic elements show typically does. But with the spirit world, any random thing can happen. So that's my biggest issue with... just about the entire season. It's pretty much ridiculous asspull after ridiculous asspull. Unalaq became super powerful and started wrecking Republic City, Godzilla style. Oh, Korra found herself a magical tree to meditate inside that gave her pure cosmic energy and allowed her to instantly become 20 stories tall and fly to Republic City. Oh no! Korra's getting her ass beat by Unalaq. It's okay though, 'cause Jinora literally descended from heaven to save the day. If she was on an elevated platform, it would literally be the definition of a Deus Ex Machina from ancient Greece. Varrick's plot made sense (in that, it was grounded in reality. Not as in "everyones motivation and thoughts and plans were logical and reasonable.") Most things involving the Spirit Portal were just nonsense. Why attempt to close the Portal from inside when it would be safer to do so from the outside? Why would a guy who thought he was doing the right thing call himself the "Dark" Avatar? Why didn't Tenzin save anyone else other than himself, his siblings, and his daughter when they were in the mist? Why did Tenzin allow Korra to keep the portal open when, every single time humans and spirits ever interacted, bad things always happened for all of recorded history, including five minutes ago when he and his siblings were tossed into an eternal prison of their own worst hells? Since they made it clear neither Vatu or Rava could die, where did Vatu go exactly? Since he was no longer imprisoned in the tree, couldn't he just return and cause more trouble? If Unalaq/Vatu were able to remove Rava from Korra before killing Rava, why couldn't Korra do the same to Unalaq?[/spoiler] I guess the biggest question I have, and one that I'll post to everyone is... Which did you prefer? Season 1 or Season 2?  [spoiler=My Opinions on your Questions] Why attempt to close the portal from inside when it would be safer to do so from the outside? Well as you said, the Spirit World makes its own rules. The truth is, we just don't know enough about the Spirit World and its laws to make any conjectures about it. My best guess would be that it could only be closed from the inside at the time of harmonic convergence. Why would a guy who thought he was doing the right thing call himself the "Dark" Avatar? Well he is absorbing the spirit of darkness. I mean deep down Unalaq had to know that what he was doing was wrong in someway, because Vatu is literally the embodiment of darkness. Perhaps he took that name because it was the title of Vatu. Why didn't Tenzin save anyone else other than himself, his siblings, and his daughter when they were in the mist? Well it is a prison. Some of those people are there for a reason. Zhao is a perfect example for this. He is a lunatic bent on ultimate power. He needed to be locked up. In addition, after Tenzin left with his family the mist had already closed in on the people still there. As was the case with the first question, we don't know enough about the situation to really be making any assumptions. It could very well be that the mist was only kept at bay for a certain amount of time, making it so that Tenzin only had enough time to rescue his family and get out safely. Why did Tenzin allow Korra to keep the portal open when, every single time humans and spirits ever interacted, bad things always happened for all of recorded history, including five minutes ago when he and his siblings were tossed into an eternal prison of their own worst hells? While its true that there have been multiple accounts of spirits and humans not getting along, there are also accounts of spirits and humans living in peace. Take for example Wan. He got along great with spirits. Or Jinora who befriended a great deal of them. Or the entire Northern Water Tribe(prior to Unalaq's madness). The North depended on the Ocean and Moon spirits to aid them in battle and everyday life. Then there is of course the example of Raava helping out countless times over the ages. Regardless, I see your point. The only reason I can see here is completely from a story line/symbolism point of view. I hope I can explain this correctly. By keeping the Spirit Portals open Korra officially beckoned in a new age. A parallel can be seen in Korra becoming the last and the first avatar once Raava joins with her again. For 10000 years spirits and humans had lived separate from each other, with only the Avatar as the bridge. By relinquishing that title, Korra does what she hopes will maintain balance. I mean after all, having the spirit portals closed wasn't perfect either. During this time we see the death of the moon spirit, obviously Koh can wreak havoc still, Haibai got out too, and dark spirits were emerging even before the portal was opened. Having the portals opened or closed doesn't really matter, because numerous times we have seen spirits attack when they get upset in both circumstances. Since they made it clear neither Vatu or Rava could die, where did Vatu go exactly? I've seen this question a lot. Once again we have to look to the fact that we don't know enough about things to find any concrete solutions, but I will do my best to convey what I believe happened. I would like to call your attention to when Unavatu destroyed Rava. We weren't exactly sure what happened to her, but no one really questioned it. We later found out that Rava had been absorbed into the "Dark" Avatar. I would guess that something like this happened when Korra destroyed Vatu. Another idea is this. While it is true that light cannot exist without the dark, we also know that one can be stronger than the other. This is apparent in the episodes revealing Wan's history as Vatu gets stronger and Rava gets weaker. It is possible that Vatu still exists, but is too weak to manifest himself. I would imagine that in another 10000 years that a similar problem may arise. Since he was no longer imprisoned in the tree, couldn't he just return and cause more trouble? Well by that logic couldn't have Rava just come back when Unavatu destroyed her? Again, we don't know enough about what exactly happens to spirits and whatnot, but as for what I think happened, I believe my above answer can be applied here as well. If Unalaq/Vatu were able to remove Rava from Korra before killing Rava, why couldn't Korra do the same to Unalaq? Well its made apparent throughout the season that Unalaq is obviously a very spiritual guy, so his knowledge on these matters are obviously greater than Korra's. This could very well account for why Korra did not do the same thing. There is also a flaw in the logic here. While Rava is weaker by herself, and can really only defend herself when joined with the avatar, we see that Vatu is more than capable of handling himself without a host. This is also a very real possibility as to why something like that did not occur.  Season 1 or Season 2? As far as finales go, I say Season 2 all the way. It just gives me so much more depth and insight into the characters. In addition, these last four episodes inspired several different emotions within me, while the finale for the last season I thought was fairly 'meh'. I think I may even venture far enough to say that Season 2 as a whole was better, at least in my opinion, because it wasn't quite as rushed. However, Pro Bending was just too cool of an idea and once again places Season 1 back in the runnings. I don't think I can choose between the two, as they both have some very obvious positives and negatives. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 That was some Matrix-ass bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 My opinions on the last 4 episodes... [spoiler="spoiler responses"]So that's my biggest issue with... just about the entire season. It's pretty much ridiculous asspull after ridiculous asspull. Unalaq became super powerful and started wrecking Republic City, Godzilla style. Oh, Korra found herself a magical tree to meditate inside that gave her pure cosmic energy and allowed her to instantly become 20 stories tall and fly to Republic City. Oh no! Korra's getting her ass beat by Unalaq. It's okay though, 'cause Jinora literally descended from heaven to save the day. If she was on an elevated platform, it would literally be the definition of a Deus Ex Machina from ancient Greece.  Yea, that bugged me. Like, I though the giant Unalaq was stupid, but ok w/e. Korra doing it too when she would have just been a normal person makes no sense. Ok, maybe she was special as the avatar but she wasn't anymore. The fact that by herself she was able to over come Unalaq in the end also seems stupid. How Jinora came down from the sky in the end was, as I said before, just a REALLY abrupt way to end thing. Also them giving no clues for how she did that doesn't help. Why didn't Tenzin save anyone else other than himself, his siblings, and his daughter when they were in the mist?  Seeing Zhao in there makes me a little more willing to accept Tenzin not saving everyone. We don't know why those people were there to start with and, assuming he had a time limit to him being able to save people, going for his family makes sense. Also, I'm willing to guess most of those people's physical bodies were no more based on what they were saying about Jinora.  Why did Tenzin allow Korra to keep the portal open when, every single time humans and spirits ever interacted, bad things always happened for all of recorded history, including five minutes ago when he and his siblings were tossed into an eternal prison of their own worst hells?   Based on what we've seen of spirits over this season I think its safe to say that spirits are evil in much the same way humans are evil. Punishing the bulk of them for no reasons just seems wrong. Not to mention she is free to close it at any point if things do go south. Personaly, I think that would be the decider for me. I'd be willing to see how things develop before I make my next action. Though I'm not sure Korra is that smart.....  Since they made it clear neither Vatu or Rava could die, where did Vatu go exactly? Since he was no longer imprisoned in the tree, couldn't he just return and cause more trouble? If Unalaq/Vatu were able to remove Rava from Korra before killing Rava, why couldn't Korra do the same to Unalaq? Wasn't it said in the flash back that should of them be destroyed they would just be reborn in the other one. Granted Korra did the purification thingy so maybe it won't happen, but I think in 10,000 years this will all happen again. As for why Rava was able to be pulled out of Korra and why that didn't kill her I have no idea. My best guess is Unalaq knows enough about spirits to do it and because Rava is the weaker of the two in the Avatar relationship her host can live on without her. Why Korra could still bend things outside of water (pretty sure she used Air Bending to enter the tree) is also something I have no answer for. [/spoiler]   I guess the biggest question I have, and one that I'll post to everyone is... Which did you prefer? Season 1 or Season 2?   I'd have to give it to season 1. The main cast was so much more unlikeable for so much of this season that it really hurt it for me. Korra got better at the end but the start kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Both however suffer from trying to do too much though I'd say season 2 suffers from this more. Probending, the equalists, the civil war, the stuff with the spirits all could have had more done with them then what was actually done. The plot just kind of felt a little scattered in season 1 and more so in season 2. This also make me lean towards season 1 being better over all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 The truth is, we just don't know enough about the Spirit World and its laws to make any conjectures about it. [...] As was the case with the first question, we don't know enough about the situation to really be making any assumptions. [...] Once again we have to look to the fact that we don't know enough about things to find any concrete solutions, [...] Again, we don't know enough about what exactly happens to spirits and whatnot, Oh, okay...  [spoiler="spoilers for the end of episode 14 here"] Why did Tenzin allow Korra to keep the portal open when, every single time humans and spirits ever interacted, bad things always happened for all of recorded history, including five minutes ago when he and his siblings were tossed into an eternal prison of their own worst hells? While its true that there have been multiple accounts of spirits and humans not getting along, there are also accounts of spirits and humans living in peace. Take for example Wan. He got along great with spirits. Or Jinora who befriended a great deal of them. Or the entire Northern Water Tribe(prior to Unalaq's madness). The North depended on the Ocean and Moon spirits to aid them in battle and everyday life. Then there is of course the example of Raava helping out countless times over the ages. Regardless, I see your point. The only reason I can see here is completely from a story line/symbolism point of view. I hope I can explain this correctly. By keeping the Spirit Portals open Korra officially beckoned in a new age. A parallel can be seen in Korra becoming the last and the first avatar once Raava joins with her again. For 10000 years spirits and humans had lived separate from each other, with only the Avatar as the bridge. By relinquishing that title, Korra does what she hopes will maintain balance. I mean after all, having the spirit portals closed wasn't perfect either. During this time we see the death of the moon spirit, obviously Koh can wreak havoc still, Haibai got out too, and dark spirits were emerging even before the portal was opened. Having the portals opened or closed doesn't really matter, because numerous times we have seen spirits attack when they get upset in both circumstances. Yeah, but even Wan and JInora had troubles with Spirits. And for every "Wan" there's about a hundred others, like the people in Wan's village that didn't make it. For every "Jinora", there's about a hundred others still locked away in the mist. And sure there's always a chance Hei Bei will appear, or the spirits from the North Pole when Korra's dad destroyed their forest, but keeping the portals open just increases the chances of them happening.  I understand that the writers wanted to shake things up and make a real permanent change to the Avatar world, but keeping the Spirit Portal open would be one of the worst ways, in character, to do it. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I still think the finale was one massive asspull. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastar Rainford Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Sad that the ship sunk, I was just starting to like them together. And I also demand more Iroh and Aang moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I'm fine with the energy-bending plot-twist, but I don't really like how it was handled. They should have stepped back to see the bigger picture and realize how ridiculous it looked to bring back a giant Korra. The fight with the elements was looking good, but somehow didn't really feel like a climax to me. Â I personally am not a big fan of their romantic stuff from either Avatar generation. Back in the first series, I always thought that Aang was a bit too young-looking for Katara, and that Zuko had this sort of build-up with her, with the "lost my necklace" event, the time they were both together as prisoners in Ba Sing Se, and their paired fight against Azula at the end, but there was never anything of the sort. I remember being kinda disappointed about that back then. On top of that, Zuko's pairing was kinda.... err.. it was kinda awkward to me, and despite the flashbacks and stuff, I somehow never bought into the idea of those two. Then there's the Korra/Mako thing that ruined moments for me. At first I liked Korra/Bolin and Mako/Asami and thought it was perfect like that. Why would Korra have to get the hot-looking guy just because she is the main anyways? But they had to go and make a mess with that rectangle. Then Bolin/Asami, which was looking good, but was never explored or even materialized. Finally, Asami's sudden kiss, and Korra's convenient memory loss in combination with Mako's.. urgh... Though enough of love. Â This season had moments that really got me exited, though ironically, it was the ones that should have had less impact. Tensin's vacation and other details got the cake for me, while civil war-related moments sometimes didn't seem as outstanding (I wonder if I'm a monster for thinking that way xD ) Â There's also that Vaatu suffered from plot-convenience. Having Jinora be there instead of Tensen, having Unalaq find her rather than the avatar, and having Korra decide to follow his demands instead of thinking of the world's greater good, are things that Vaatu couldn't have foreseen. Vaatu also couldn't have foreseen not killing Unalaq in the fusion. Having the fused spirits of the avatar be separated was Diabulus Ex Machina. Korra not being able to close the portal in time was ok, but since everything else was also so conveniently into place, it's worth of mention as part of the pile of plot convenience. Â Having Jinora turn the situation around descending from the sky was the most silly thing I've seen in Avatar. My brother and I were just looking at each other in silence when that happened. Â Â Â Â Before I click "post" there's one more thing I wanna mention: Unalaq was bested by a group of revels that tried to kidnap him, how come he now has enough power to crush the rebellion without his army, go 2 on 1 against the pro-bending champion level benders that are Bolin and Mako, and beat Korra in her avatar state using all elements, all without really getting a rest? There's no way he knew Korra would rescue him back at the kidnap attempt. That'd be bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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