hexcalibrate Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 I've been experimenting and to me, this appears to be the easiest way to get out utopia ray I think I'm doing wind-ups right, if not any recommendations. [Spoiler= ] [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 To be honest, Tenki in Wind-Ups is a waste to me...you already play 3 Rabbit and 3 Factory...That's all the searching you're going to need IMO. I'd at least one for something more useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexcalibrate Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 what would you swap with then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Maxx C or Veiler. Or you can drop the Tenki and the Soldier for a TGU engine and run Invoker. It's no Zenmaity but it still opens up pretty explosive plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 No u need tenki to open rabbit with factory faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Like I said, Tenki is a waste..the deck worked fine before the card was released so why do you all of a sudden need it? Your argument that you get to open Rabbit/Factor faster is meh at best because that happens often enough since you run 3/3 anyway. Also it adds more bad top decks to a deck that has slight top decking issues to begin with...do you know how much it sucks to be losing a game and top deck Factor or a Rabbit/Tenki that does nothing to get you out of your current situation? At least the TGU engine, as bad as it it without Sangan and Zenmaity, still gives you more options than Tenki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 [quote name="El Majishan" post="6253975" timestamp="1376091497"]Like I said, Tenki is a waste..the deck worked fine before the card was released so why do you all of a sudden need it? Your argument that you get to open Rabbit/Factor faster is meh at best because that happens often enough since you run 3/3 anyway. Also it adds more bad top decks to a deck that has slight top decking issues to begin with...do you know how much it sucks to be losing a game and top deck Factor or a Rabbit/Tenki that does nothing to get you out of your current situation? At least the TGU engine[size=14], as bad as it it without Sangan and Zenmaity, still gives you more options than Tenki.[/size][/quote] No the deck was not fine without tenki Windups were only fine last format Well u obv run tour guide with tenki, why wouldnt you run tour guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Tenki came out last format when wind-ups were still top tier...so yeah..... Anyway. What does Tenki add to the deck that the deck does not already do well on its own? If your only argument is "it searches rabbit to use with factory" then that is a poor argument because you already run 3 Rabbit along with all the other Wind-Ups to trigger factory... so searching is not difficult at all. Also opening Rabbit/Factory is common enough without Tenki...I mean the deck did it all the time before Tenki was even printed. Sure..your chances of opening Factory/Rabbit are slightly increased with Tenki but after that Tenki becomes useless. Tenki just takes up space that can be used for other good cards. You asked why won't you run TGU? If you look at his build he's not running it due to space, taking that into account the best cards to cut in order to make room are the two Tenki and Warrior/Soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 [quote name="El Majishan" post="6254182" timestamp="1376123727"]Tenki came out last format when wind-ups were still top tier...so yeah..... Anyway. What does Tenki add to the deck that the deck does not already do well on its own? If your only argument is "it searches rabbit to use with factory" then that is a poor argument because you already run 3 Rabbit along with all the other Wind-Ups to trigger factory... so searching is not difficult at all. Also opening Rabbit/Factory is common enough without Tenki...I mean the deck did it all the time before Tenki was even printed. Sure..your chances of opening Factory/Rabbit is slightly increased with Tenki but after that Tenki becomes useless. Tenki just takes up space that can be used for other good cards. You asked why won't you run TGU? If you look at his build he's not running it due to space, t aking that into account the best cards to cut in order to make room are the two Tenki and Warrior/Soldier.[/quote] Yeah and last format magician was at 3 lol and zenmaity at 1 and opening rabbit with factory wasnt too important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 And it still isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 It is, ive seen a lot of windups players maining like 2 tenki this format And its because you need rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrion Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Tenki = Bad. Maxx C = Better option. Boosts consistancy and speed, and overall serves more purpose then Tenki. Drop the pointless arguement, you've both stated your opinions and you're probably not (from what I've seen) going to change the other's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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