Phantom Roxas Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 No, I'll wait until you've posted. I actually forgot that Alexander is a Signer. That makes this all the more better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Chris, you wouldn't be able to use the most latest variant of Kid Bui as his time in existing was short. You'd have to use the first variant that wouldn't even know of those abilities for a few thousand years. And I bring of the cogency thing since I'm sure Isamy prefers beings she can control, and Kid Buu can't be controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Chris, you wouldn't be able to use the most latest variant of Kid Bui as his time in existing was short. I can't use Kid Buu because he died after a short period? That makes no sense to me. I wasn't aware that was a limiter. That depending on how long the character we wanted to play lived, we could play them based on said factor. So if my character wasn't around for more than a month, suddenly he/she/it cannot be played? And I bring of the cogency thing since I'm sure Isamy prefers beings she can control, and Kid Buu can't be controlled. If that's the case I can use the original Buu, and have the little devil evolve and copy abilities from current characters in the rp. That would make him twice as strong. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't a thousand years that passed before Buu learned the techniques. Unless each episode was a thousand years plus. And I bring of the cogency thing since I'm sure Isamy prefers beings she can control, and Kid Buu can't be controlled. Ohhhh. That's kinda weird also, but makes some sense. Though, I don't see how she can control a man whose very presence could decimate planets (talkin' bout Sephiroth here) and of course sending Madara into space without thought. So I'm pretty sure he can be controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Well, the Kamehameha didn't precisely exist thousands of years ago when Buu was slaughtering the Kais. But, let me make an entirely different point: DO you want Isamy to steal the Dragon Balls? Does ANYONE want Isamy to have the ability to make a practically limitless wish that could be renewed ad infinitum every six months, which she could just timeskip too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Well, the Kamehameha didn't precisely exist thousands of years ago when Buu was slaughtering the Kais. But, let me make an entirely different point: DO you want Isamy to steal the Dragon Balls? Does ANYONE want Isamy to have the ability to make a practically limitless wish that could be renewed ad infinitum every six months, which she could just timeskip too? I thought she could already do that with the door? xD And now I understand what you mean by the Kamehameha Wave. You meant the FIRST time Buu ever appeared compared to his more detailed appearance in the saga, when Babidi (or was it Bibidi?) revived him. That's why I was confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I refer to when he was FIRST created millenia ago, when Babidi's ancestor, or, father, it's not clear; anywho, the first Kid Buu that slaughtered all the great Kais, including the absorbtion of North Kai and the Daimyo Kai that turned the Super Buu into Majin Buu. I refer to the Kid Buu that killed the Grand Kais that left Supreme Kai the only great Kai remaining. Does it comprehend now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 What is the actual problem with Kid Buu because I'm not really seeing a problem here? We can snatch characters out of any point in time. Isamy is literally the most over powered thing in this RP she has literally no fear of anything so it's not like Kid Buu is a threat. And sense kid Buu is a construct of magic one could just say Isamy made him magically act right. I mean Mid Buu would be kind of interesting in an RP with a Namekian and a Saiyan. Though I wonder how much merging would be done to balance all those characters out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Well, one of the issues is that in order to kill the little bastard you need to totally annihilate him, and that requires both hitting him, and producing enough power to overcome his defences. Anything less and he just regenerates: Plus, he can use techniques just by observing him, like how Majin Buu copied the Kamehameha. For simplicity's sake, we'd just be getting yet another Renegade Joker, and I think we all know how THAT turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kōsuke Ueki Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 And the Super Spirit Bomb would come in handy, now wouldn't it? Though, I wonder who would be willing to share their energy for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 And the Super Spirit Bomb would come in handy, now wouldn't it? Though, I wonder who would be willing to share their energy for it? During Arc 4, considering the setting, you may be able to pull out almost an infinite amount of energy for a Spirit Bomb. But, let me make an entirely different point: DO you want Isamy to steal the Dragon Balls? Does ANYONE want Isamy to have the ability to make a practically limitless wish that could be renewed ad infinitum every six months, which she could just timeskip too? She already has them all (though from different universes, the Four-Star one came from Maxwell and Kurai's universe), and not only that, she has a ton of other wish-granting stuff as well, as well as plenty of objects that can act as a limitless energy source. If you looked at half the stolen artifacts in everyone's application list, But they're mostly limited to single or multiple universes, making it worthless for her seeing as her goal is changing up the entire multiverse (we're talking billions, maybe even trillions here). The only way she can achieve that is by unlocking the Door of Origin. The only reason she's not carrying around a reality-altering scepter is because spacetime is already fragile, and because she already considers herself stronger than anyone else in the RP. It's not a stretch to say that she either revived Kid Buu, or interfered during the battle with Goku and took him there. She'd probably have a lot of trouble with him at first though, and may indeed place limiters on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kōsuke Ueki Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Um, just wondering Merciful, but WILL there be a timeskip between Arc 3 and 4? It could give Maxwell an excuse to learn the Spirit Bomb and its different variations, and possibly create the first ever Multiversal Spirit Bomb, if he was given the ability to speak telepathically to all universes that still exist, that is. And frankly, I'm pretty sure having a technique that powerful would make Isamy's "Immortal Argument" invalid. Though that's just me getting overconfident, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Um, just wondering Merciful, but WILL there be a timeskip between Arc 3 and 4? It could give Maxwell an excuse to learn the Spirit Bomb and its different variations, and possibly create the first ever Multiversal Spirit Bomb, if he was given the ability to speak telepathically to all universes that still exist, that is. And frankly, I'm pretty sure having a technique that powerful would make Isamy's "Immortal Argument" invalid. Though that's just me getting overconfident, I guess. So er, are you trying to imply that Isamy can be destroyed by the Spirit Bomb? She may be a lich with dark powers, but at the core of her heart, she's inherently selfless and honestly has good intentions for the multiverse. The Spirit Bomb only hurts evil beings. It would probably hurt Arthuria more than it would Isamy, considering that the Counter Guardian has a more selfish reason for doing things. But I guess if you're feeling brave, you could try it on the Arc 4 Final Boss and see if it works. It won't. Yes, there will be a timeskip, but it's going to be a short one. A few hours at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 It's funny, Bailas, I actually heard that song for the first time a few days ago, so it made it all the more amusing for that to be the fight song here. I half-expected another Taylor Swift song. Well, I'm ending 2013 with a Back to the Future marathon, and I just started the third one. Time for my final post of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kōsuke Ueki Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I wasn't implying anything. I just wanted to know if it was possible. Either way, I kinda realized something. If one can learn Kaioken, can you also subconsciously learn the Spirit Bomb as well? I mean, with the bulls**t of how Goku was able to obtain both of them (What with King Kai just saying that Goku learned Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb), it doesn't hurt for Maxwell to be able to learn the ability himself. EDIT: Also, Happy New Year YCM! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Stalfos19 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Crongrats on evolving into Slowbro, Muten. How do ya feel? :3 ... ANYWAY!! Still haven't figured out how I want Aesir to respond to Sephiroth's attack yet, which explains why I haven't posted in a while. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kōsuke Ueki Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Crongrats on evolving into Slowbro, Muten. How do ya feel? O_o Come again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Either way, I kinda realized something. If one can learn Kaioken, can you also subconsciously learn the Spirit Bomb as well? I mean, with the bulls**t of how Goku was able to obtain both of them (What with King Kai just saying that Goku learned Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb), it doesn't hurt for Maxwell to be able to learn the ability himself. Confused by your statement, I went back to watch the episodes, and I don't see what's so weird about how King Kai taught them (or did DBZ Kai cut something out?). Think of it like a mathematical formula. You can spend a ton of time trying to find out the right formula for something, and then once you've found it, nobody else has to go through the effort you did. I bet you know Master Roshi, and how he spent his whole life to invent the 'Kamehameha' - afterwards, all Goku had to do was watch the method and copy it. The same can be applied to King Kai. You don't just subconsciously invent random techniques in your mind, you know. Some people gain techniques through magical artifacts, others are taught them, and the rest learn themselves via trial-and-error and constant training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kōsuke Ueki Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Don't look at the source material. Look at DBZ Abridged. King Kai put it simply that Goku SOMEHOW was able to learn the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb techniques immediately after completing his training. Sometimes parodies of source material are required to determine things we didn't even realize. There was no proof whatsoever that Goku had unlocked the potential to use these techniques. All Goku did was show that he got it. There was no way to actually determine if he had unlocked the techniques to be used at his disposal. Now, I understand what you're getting at. But think about it. King Kai did nothing to show any evidence that Goku can now use the Kaioken. Let me put it this way: If you ever watched Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitsu, you would know that the 4 main characters were unable to unlock their hidden elemental powers during their first battle. However, previously, they were given a certain training session that, when used in battle and is mastered, activates your hidden power to be used at will. King Kai didn't give Goku a certain form of training to master in order to unlock the potential to use those techniques. Yes, he was able to withstand training in an area 10x Earth's gravitational pull, but that's about it. If that's what all it took, then Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, and even Chiaotzu and Piccolo would be able to learn the Kaioken just as easily. Bottom line, King Kai merely just allowed unorthodox forms of training for Goku and basically just said, "Why the hell not? You worked as hard as everyone else that I've trained before, but I'll just give you my techniques for the hell of it." King Kai got lazy for no good reason. Akira Toriyama should've made King Kai more of a trainer that pushed Goku to do something and master it in order to achieve completion of training the RIGHT way, like Mickey in the Rocky movies. Am I making any sense so far? Cause I can keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Bottom line, King Kai merely just allowed unorthodox forms of training for Goku and basically just said, "Why the hell not? You worked as hard as everyone else that I've trained before, but I'll just give you my techniques for the hell of it." King Kai got lazy for no good reason. Akira Toriyama should've made King Kai more of a trainer that pushed Goku to do something and master it in order to achieve completion of training the RIGHT way, like Mickey in the Rocky movies. Am I making any sense so far? Cause I can keep going. You're not making any sense. At all. First off, Abridged Series tend to poke fun at the original show, so it's only natural for them to point out any perceived flaw. But really, if you turned your attention back to the original show, then you'd be able to conclude that this happened; in Episode 20 Goku finally catches Gregory the bug and then he's ready for the next phrase of his training. Then King Kai says to himself Goku may finally be The One who can learn the Kaioken from him. Then in Episode 21, it timeskips to his last day of training with King Kai and he reviews the two techniques he'd just been taught, Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb; so all it did was skip the part when King Kai first taught Goku these techniques. A bit of a timeskip. He didn't suddenly learn them. Akira Toriyama himself wanted to keep it secretive, which was why he left it out in the manga. You know, for better suspense during the fight with Nappa and Vegeta? And of course you have to look at the source material! If the Abridged version is pointing something out that didn't happen, or just making it so that something appeared to not happen when it did, then that's just it parodying the source. Parodies can, and will, change fact. Obviously. Unless you're like Melvin, whose character comes from Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged, never use an Abridged Series as an example. The DBZ Wiki has this to say about Kaioken;Kaio-ken (界王拳, "Fist of the World King" or "World King Fist") is a fighting technique invented by King Kai; however, Goku is the only person ever able to use it successfully.So it's safe to say that King Kai did try to teach it to other warriors, but they all just failed. Presumably, Goku did go through even more intensive training, considering that it was only the next stage after conquering the 10x gravity instead of the result, and that the Kai saw potential in him that he hadn't seen before. As evidence (apart from dialogue) that Goku did in fact undergo training, in the recap for Episode 21, he's shown smashing through dense pillars while covered in a white aura. ... So even if he did suddenly learn it, then that's a logic flaw on DBZ's part and it's illogical for Maxwell to just unlock it right out of the blue. I mean, it's perfectly okay for the guy to learn the Spirit Bomb. That's okay, really. But please come up with an explanation that's better than 'he subconsciously unlocked it'. Thank you. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kōsuke Ueki Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Okay, okay! I'm sorry. I didn't know it was a secretive thing, ever. Had I known, I wouldn't go so far as to proving an irrational argument. My bad. Anyway, another idea: Would it be possible for an Outer God to unlock the potential to learn a technique even when that God doesn't use the ability himself? I'm not saying Shadronus isn't capable of doing such a thing, but I just want to know if it's possible at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 It's not a stretch to say that she either revived Kid Buu, or interfered during the battle with Goku and took him there. She'd probably have a lot of trouble with him at first though, and may indeed place limiters on him. I'd be more than happy to have limiters so control Buu. Maybe shock the sheet out of him when he was out of control, or something. And only to have them removed at Isamy's will (not that she would need it). But honestly, I don't give a flying fajita how he needs to be tweaked. I plan on submitting his application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gαr Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Sorry for the late post, but being on vacation can take a lot out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I'll post whenever I don't have a headache... which has not been the case for a week now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Fantasy Revolution Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 In case you're wondering, the monsters really can't give chase if you just left the coliseum, but what fun would that be? Hmm, I also noticed that I DIDN'T have to post with Sephiroth, did I miss something from Admiral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Stalfos19 Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 ...still trying to decide how to respond as Aesir. Plus I've been busy trying to continue writing a fanfic that I just got back round to writing. Can't do two things at once :I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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