Flame Dragon Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 I agree having the final gym leader have a Mega is REALLY nice touch. One of the biggest flaws in XY is that only like 4 major trainers have Mega Pokemon. IMO Korrina should have been introduced a little later and have all the gym leaders past her have their main pokemon capable of Mega evolving. The E4 100% should have had Megas. Also, REALLY impressive that they get to the wetlands RIGHT after gym 8 since they are PRETTY far apart. It will be nice to see Goodra again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Either that episode takes place a few days after the gym battle or they fly over from there; only options they have. Even if the other gym leaders could Mega Evolve, only ones (besides Wulfric and obviously Korrina) are Valerie (she has Mawile, but I don't recall her using it in anime [think it was Spritzee and Sylveon) and Olympia (assuming she wants to switch out Slowking for 'bro, but she used double Meowstic); given the ones that are available as of OR/AS. ----We can only hope that the X/Y remakes (if any) have them doing that, least for rematches or something. OR/AS at least fixed it, but this is more game discussion and less on the anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 They could have easily built the teams to support them having a Mega. Not to mention I think only the last few should have it. Which is why I'd put Korrina near the end of the gym leader lineup. It feels really weird having her be fought so early on and its REALLY evident in the anime since they really build up Mega Lucario and Ash still has 5 harder gyms to go, one of which belongs to Clemont. I honestly wonder if they had plans originally to flesh out some of the story and character stuff as well as give Mega Pokemon to the other important trainers in a 3rd version but scrapped it for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Some people think she should've been the final or somewhere in the second half, given that she can already Mega Evolve (whereas the other leaders can't). I'd probably place her at the end or something, but yeah, gym 3 is a little early to introduce a Mega Evolution trainer. Maybe they did have plans to give the others, but we won't know. ----Assuming that the other leaders can have any Mega Evolution (barring legendaries and if OR/AS stuff is considered)Viola: Heracross/Pinsir/Beedrill (Scizor is already covered by Wikstrom in movie 17)Grant/Zakuro: Aggron/AerodactylRamos/Fukuji: Venusaur/Sceptile (He's kinda stuck with the starters since there aren't other Grass Pokes other than Abomasnow that can Mega)Clemont/Citron: Manectric (he had one in Adventures; that could've worked here or they could've added this instead of Luxray). Or Ampharos.Valerie/Mâche: Mawile/Altaria/Audino, despite latter two gaining the type AFTER Mega Evolution. (Gardevoir exists, but Diantha has one already)Olympia/Gojika: Alakazam/Gallade/Medicham. (Gardevoir exists, but Diantha has one already)Wulfric/Uruppu: Abomasnow (confirmed) / Glalie---They'd have at least one option though, even if I had restricted it to only X/Y stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 You missed T-Tar for Grant (that would be my pick for him btw). Personally I would have had the gyms go in reverse more or less with you going to Wulfric after Viola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Ah right, I forgot Tyranitar (how could I have forgotten?). Well, having that would make him a pretty strong opponent (or really, all of the gym leaders would be worth a challenge if they could Mega). Though since Grant generally has fossil Pokemon on team, Aero could probably fit him since that's also a Pokemon revived from a fossil. -----For anime purposes, we can assume that the others would've gotten their Key Stones from somewhere; don't know if we'll learn where Wulfric got his. Once we get to the Team Flare arc, I think Lysandre will have Mega Gyarados on team like he does in-game, however I could be wrong about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Aero is the better fit admittedly. My vote for T-Tar is largely from me wanting him to be the last gym leader and thats a nice final challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Once we get to the Team Flare arc, I think Lysandre will use Mega Gyarados on his team like he does in-game, however I could be wrong on it.That reminds me of when I said he'll probs have a shiny Mega Gyarados (for some reason lel) a good while back, but yeah we've seen him grasp a Gyaradosite on-screen during the narration of one of the Mega evo specials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 I probably missed that part in the specials, or forgot as I generally only watch the episodes once/twice (factoring in the time needed to sub) and might have been a while back. Would be interesting if he had a shiny Gyarados, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 I have seen the preview. I am scared. How did Sawyer get 8 badges? Looks like we got a Kalos League champ in the making here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Shota isn't involved in the plot unlike Ash & co so it shouldn't be a surprise he got 8 badges before Ash. Would be interesting if he had a Shiny Gyarados, though.It would, and I actually cannot remember the reason why I said he could have a Shiny Gyarados in the first place. It was so long ago I'd have to traipse through the pages to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Shota isn't involved in the plot unlike Ash & co so it shouldn't be a surprise he got 8 badges before Ash. It would, and I actually cannot remember the reason why I said he could have a Shiny Gyarados in the first place. It was so long ago I'd have to traipse through the pages to find it.Yeah, It's not like Sawyer is gonna be the next Kabuto Yakushi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Yeah, it's not like Shota is going to be the next Kabuto Yakushi*googles the bloke* In all seriousness, I do think Shota will probs do well, but not win the title. Whether he'll beat Ash or not is down t the writers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I really hope he doesn't beat Ash. It wouldn't be as bad as last league since they have been trying REALLY hard to build Shota but introducing him as a new trainer really makes it feel wrong for him to beat Ash. Not to mention Ash has won all their battles thus far so having him lose when it really counts would be dumb. That said, I do want Ash to lose to him in the next episode for those reasons. It make him possibly losing in the league slightly more bearable while also making it feel like he CAN lose again since going Win, Win, Lose, Lose looks way better than Win, Win, Win, Lose. Not to mention they've written in the best excuse for the lose, the fainting with Ash-Greninja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (There's no way Shota is like Kabuto; a reminder that Kabuto was technically a spy and could've very well been a Jonin already from debut, but just hiding it. But this is the wrong anime thread for that.) Shota just started his journey; wouldn't make any logical sense for him to be able to beat Ash in the league, who has been traveling for a considerably longer time (well, 5 generations); even if some people think he should already have stronger Pokemon or league champion by now. I should expect him to place higher than Tierno/Trevor though; those two are really not that good. But yeah. since he's not linked to the plot, Shota could've gone on ahead and gotten his 8th badge already (while Ash was busy with Serena's showcases and other things). Can only wonder if Wulfric actually Mega Evolved against Shota during their battle; likely not. (If he did, I would think Shota would've been screwed at least once). Kind of like your White 2 rival; somehow he beats you to the last two gyms despite having certain obstacles to contend with together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Shota just started his journey; wouldn't make any logical sense for him to be able to beat Ash in the league, who has been traveling for a considerably longer time (well, 5 generations); even if some people think he should already have stronger Pokemon or league champion by now. I should expect him to place higher than Tierno/Trevor though; those two are really not that good. The sad thing is we have precedent for a character like that beating Ash. It was dumb and terrible, but it CAN happen. Especially since you run up against the whole "who will beat Ash if he doesn't win" issue. The way Gen 4 did it REALLY isn't the best either and most of what made it even slightly ok doesn't hold up the second time around. This is why I want Alain to be in the league since he is a totally believable person for Ash to lose to and he actually has been set up as a rival of sorts already. The issue of him not collecting Gym badges is a very real on, but its better than introducing the character that beats him in the 11th hour. As for Tierno I'm sad they've more or less dropped him. He was initially set up as a rival for Ash but he really has kind of dropped off since Shota came around. Which is really weird because they easily could have had two rivals for Ash. I mean they did it before in Gen 4 and it worked well there. I've said it before, honestly thats the biggest weakness of XY as a whole. It really dropped the ball with the rival for Ash. Gen 4 not only had Paul likely one of the best characters in the anime, but had a few other side rivals for Ash as well. Gen 6 has Tierno who hardly shows up and Shota who was introduced as a beginner trainer and who is only now really being pushing as Ash's main rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 So the trailer for Sun/Moon has dropped (check my status for the vid) and the release date is November 18th, so that leaves 26 episodes left for the series (assuming final episode is November 10th)The starters (Rowlet, grass/flying / Litten, Fire / Popplio, water) and the cover legends were revealed and the new region is Alola. Not gonna lie, I reckon Ash may capture a Litten, seems like a fair shout tbph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 My money is on it going until the the 17th since the new series doesn't start until after the games are out. Happy that its not until November since that gives us a little more time for things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Reason why I said November 10th is because I was catering for a week or two break between series.example: BW142 aired September 26th, XY001 aired October 17th. (I know that's 3 weeks apart but yeah there was a break)DP191 (September 9th) BW001 (September 23rd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (There's no way Shota is like Kabuto; a reminder that Kabuto was technically a spy and could've very well been a Jonin already from debut, but just hiding it. But this is the wrong anime thread for that.) Shota just started his journey; wouldn't make any logical sense for him to be able to beat Ash in the league, who has been traveling for a considerably longer time (well, 5 generations); even if some people think he should already have stronger Pokemon or league champion by now. I should expect him to place higher than Tierno/Trevor though; those two are really not that good. But yeah. since he's not linked to the plot, Shota could've gone on ahead and gotten his 8th badge already (while Ash was busy with Serena's showcases and other things). Can only wonder if Wulfric actually Mega Evolved against Shota during their battle; likely not. (If he did, I would think Shota would've been screwed at least once). Kind of like your White 2 rival; somehow he beats you to the last two gyms despite having certain obstacles to contend with together.I didn't mean Sawyer is a spy, I meant he evolved from being a minor character, who couldn't even beat Clemont or Valerie, to possibly being one of the most powerful rivals Ash has faced so far. He has a Sceptile. Wouldn't be surprised if he could Mega-Evolve it, but that is not here or there. We'll have to see what develops on Thursday. But yeah, Ash Greninja is a big risk/reward thing. We all know what happens, Ash feels Greninja's pain and if the strain is too much, he faints. Which brings us a question? What happened to his training regimen? Why doesn't he build up enough stamina to last a few extra minutes? Also, wouldn't wiki... what about... okay there is no way bulbapedia would get a new episode code without getting into trouble. I mean, SM001 would probably get parents mad and MS001 might get them sued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 If anything, I don't see Shota mega evolving Sceptile until the league.In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Ash lose to regular Sceptile on Thursday then try and surpass Mega Sceptile at the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Reason why I said November 10th is because I was catering for a week or two break between series. example: BW142 aired September 26th, XY001 aired October 17th. (I know that's 3 weeks apart but yeah there was a break) DP191 (September 9th) BW001 (September 23rd) Didn't know about the break between seasons. Honestly, it does make sense so yea, your count is likely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Didn't know about the break between seasons. Honestly, it does make sense so yea, your count is likely correct.Yup it does make sense, and as they say "you learn something new every day". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Yup it does make sense, and as they say "you learn something new every day". Very true. Also, curious what you all think of the female trainer's base character design? Since we are 50/50 on the female player character joining Ash her base design is pretty important. Personally I'm not a big fan, but I might be in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Very true. Also, curious what you all think of the female trainer's base character design? Since we are 50/50 on the female player character joining Ash her base design is pretty important. Personally I'm not a big fan, but I might be in the minority. Her looks are fine, but the hat is atrocious XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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