Pokemon XY&Z

[Flame Dragon]

In terms of development, they've certainly spread it across the board in this series, you could say Ash got the short end of the stick in terms of pokemon on his team as a result.

 

On a slightly different note, I was chatting about Bergmite/Avalugg with a friend and he legit said "I forgot Avalugg has it on his team" and I was like "So Avalugg is a trainer now? :: "

IMO the only one that really came up short for development was Talonflame, but I feel like Ash's region bird tends to end up in that spot. Gren is SUPER plot important and Hawlucha has personality for days. Goodra got a ton of focus for the short time it was around and even Noibat has gotten a bit. If any Pokemon this gen go really screwed for development it would be Clemont's Luxray. We hardly ever see it and if doesn't really have much of a personality when it is around.

[~British Soul~]

 

 

IMO the only one that really came up short for development was Talonflame, but I feel like Ash's region bird tends to end up in that spot. Gren is SUPER plot important and Hawlucha has personality for days. Goodra got a ton of focus for the short time it was around and even Noibat has gotten a bit. If any pokemon this gen got really screwed for development, it would be Clemont's Luxray. We hardly ever see it and it doesn't really have much of a personality when it is around.

I don't know about you, but in terms of development amongst Ash's region birds, sure Talonflame hasn't had much development, I reckon it had more development than Noctowl imo. I defo agree about Goodra, considering we knew from the get go that it probs wasn't gonna stick around for long and thus giving it a ton of focus was a good idea. I also agree about Greninja and Hawlucha as well as Noibat. But yeah Clemont's Luxray got screwed, I mean it only had like what two episodes of focus realistically speaking, then again I don't particularly mind even though.

 

On another note, I was checking Bulbapedia earlier and I saw a pic of XY120 (the episode you were on about at the top of the page), and it showed Ash with a Zigzagoon, Scatterbug, Budew, Oddish and Sentret. From that pic, I presume they're lost or something.

That wasn't the only reason why I was on Bulbapedia earlier though.

[Flame Dragon]

I don't know about you, but in terms of development amongst Ash's region birds, sure Talonflame hasn't had much development, I reckon it had more development than Noctowl imo. I defo agree about Goodra, considering we knew from the get go that it probs wasn't gonna stick around for long and thus giving it a ton of focus was a good idea. I also agree about Greninja and Hawlucha as well as Noibat. But yeah Clemont's Luxray got screwed, I mean it only had like what two episodes of focus realistically speaking, then again I don't particularly mind even though.

 

On another note, I was checking Bulbapedia earlier and I saw a pic of XY120 (the episode you were on about at the top of the page), and it showed Ash with a Zigzagoon, Scatterbug, Budew, Oddish and Sentret. From that pic, I presume they're lost or something.

That wasn't the only reason why I was on Bulbapedia earlier though.

I honestly can't remember much about Pidgeot and Swellow had and I never watched DP or BW so I can only guesstimate tbqh. Based on what I can remember and what it looks like my first instinct is that of Ash's pokemon the birds tend to get the short end of the stick in terms of development/personality.

 

Few Pokemon have it as bad as Luxray though. Really hope we get something from him at some point. Especially since he is Clemont's strongest Pokemon. Speaking of, Clemont needs some focus too actually. Of the 4 he gets the least focus and while some of the Bonnie stuff overlaps with him, but I feel she is more the center of attention than he is.

[~British Soul~]

 

 

I honestly can't remember much about Pidgeot and Swellow had and I never watched DP and BW so I can only guestimate tbqh. Based on what I can remember and what it looks like my first instinct is that of Ash's pokemon, the birds tend to get the short end of the stick in terms of development/personality.

 

Few pokemon have it as bad as Luxray though. Really hoping we get something from him at some point. Especially since he is Clemont's strongest pokemon. Speaking of, Clemont needs some focus too actually. Of the 4 he gets the least focus and while some of the Bonnie overlaps with him, but I feel she is more the centre of attention than he is.

With regards to Pidgeot, its main burst of development came in its last episode during the fight with the Fearow flock, and as for Swellow, I can't remember much about it either, same with Unfezant. Staraptor on the other hand, I remember as a Staravia it loved battling and sulked when Ash didn't choose it for the first gym battle (Even though it would've been garbage), but upon evolving, it had a change of personality, becoming fierce, fast and proud, maintain its loyalty. Generally speaking though, the birds usually get reduced to scout status.

 

As for Luxray, yeah it hasn't had much focus at all, which is a shame because even though its Clemont's strongest I personally don't see it getting much more focus, I could be wrong though, it depends on the writers. Clemont could do with more focus though, he has gotten the shorter end of the stick, mainly due to Bonnie.

[Flame Dragon]

Episode 21 is finally subbed.

 

Also, looks like we have a new episode title. Got to love spoilery titles.

 

 

"Decisive Battle at the Eisetsu Gym! The Final Badge!!"

 

Gee, I wonder if Ash needs two tries to get the badge.

[~British Soul~]

It's either that or something happens to interrupt the first battle (both are feasible scenarios), we'll find out when the first gym battle episode airs.

 

On another note, I'm really not a fan of the new dub opening song whatsoever. I don't like it at all, and I'd personally rank it as one of the worse ones imho.

[Flame Dragon]

The song has grown on me a little, but yea, its pretty bad. Not helped by it being so short and the Japanese one being insane good.

 

Though, I will say, I've listened to both the Japanese and English opening and (maybe its because I grew up with them) but I prefer the early english ones the japanese.

[~British Soul~]

I also prefer the early English openings as well, though having said that, some of the TPCi openings like the last two for Sinnoh for example weren't that bad.

[Flame Dragon]

Honesty, the DP openings were all enjoyable. It is with BW that they really start going down hill.

[~British Soul~]

I defo agree that the openings went downhill after BW began, they weren't as good as the DP openings.

[Astro Dude]

Maybe Wulfric will be around for all three parts.

[~British Soul~]

Well Sherlock, we don't have any confirmation if he'll appear in the episode at the end of the month, suppose we'll find that out in 2 weeks if he's seen in the preview for XY120, and if not then it's no big deal since the focus of said episode is Route 20.

 

EDIT:

[spoiler=Thoughts on XY117]

- Even though we saw it in the preview (actually was seen a while back iirc), it was nice to see Greninja perfect its Ash-Greninja form, though I shouldn't be surprised that the battle ended in a similar way to Ash vs Alain.

 

[spoiler=Preview]

- We see Shota show off his 8 badges in the preview revealing he beat Olympia, Valerie and Wulfric off-screen since he last appeared to qualify for the Kalos league.

 

 

 

 

[Astro Dude]

To be fair, Gardevoir was KO'ed first, so Ash won.

 

Also, my theory about the Snowbelle Gym battle:

 

First ep: Ash battles Wulfric 2 on 2: Abomasnow vs. Talonflame, Avalugg vs. Ash-Greninja but Ash collapses during that bout, thus nullifying the match.

[~British Soul~]

Eh? Last I checked, Gardevoir was stood up when Ash collapsed, so I wouldn't call it a win if it wasn't unable to fight.

 

EDIT: You're not the only one who had that theory. I thought the same thing earlier today, and I'd certainly think other people came to that conclusion not long after the episode title was revealed.

Speaking of, said title certainly went under Serebii's radars as they haven't said anything about it on their front page yet.

 

@Astro about the gym battle, I rewatched the upcoming episodes preview, and it showed Hawlucha being used in the gym battle, so we can amend that to 3-on-3.

[Flame Dragon]

Yea, its pretty weird that Serebii hasn't made any mention of the episode title. MAYBE its not real, but it very likely is imo. As I was saying a page or two back, gym leaders normally get two episodes so Ash needing two goes at the gym makes sense.

 

Also, it would make a ton of sense for Ash to collapse during the battle. Getting 4 vs. episodes over 5 weeks is a LOT so they are clearly building to something.

[~British Soul~]

Come to think of it, other than EP063, all the other 8th gym battles have been spread out over two episodes (Clair, the first battle was interrupted, Juan was a two-parter. Volkner was another interrupted fight, Roxie was a two-parter). I'd like to think that it's real and given recent events, it certainly looks that way, but yeah I also find it weird that Serebii hasn't mentioned anything about it.

[Flame Dragon]

So, the release date for Sun/Moon in Japan may have leaked. It is actually early October putting us at 21 episodes left assuming the date is correct. We know 4 of those so in 17 episodes we will get the wrap up for Flare, and the League. Willing to bet Flare takes at least 3 episodes and the League will be 4 so thats 10 episodes of give. We are really at the home stretch.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Yeah, XY is coming to an end pretty quickly and considering the league and Team Flare arcs will take some time to get through, really not much room to really add fillers. I would assume some of the "fillers" will have a character introducing stuff from Gen 7 (that appears to be the case). 

 

Then again, subs haven't come up for XY113-116 (officially); I know 115/116 subs on Youtube have circulated but I haven't watched them (so can't say if they have noticeable errors in dialogue). 

 

[spoiler=117 stuff]

• Ash-Greninja got perfected, so that's cool. Kinda sucks that Ash collapsed...again
• Now Ash and friends know about Zygarde, but not the fact that Squishy is actually one itself. 

[spoiler=preview]

Suppose that while Ash and co. were busy with Serena's Showcase, Shota was going around collecting badges; hence why he got all 8. Hmm, this should be interesting. 

 

Ash, you're still only at 7 badges and no 6th Pokemon from this region. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ah right, and they'd better develop AmourShipping even further before this series ends. 

[~British Soul~]

I'm certainly going to take the early-October release with a grain of salt until we get confirmation, though wasn't there product things that slated a winter 2016 release in Japan, and October is like mid-Autumn. In any case, I'd agree that the Flare climax will be like 3 episodes, probs around July time, going into like early August, though I'm willing to bet the league will be 6 episodes (which is like the norm/average), which would leave like 7 episodes of filler if there is like 20 episodes left.

[Flame Dragon]

I double checked the original trailed and it said worldwide holiday 2016 release. However we have a second one that says late. So it could be either one. Early October works for late 2016, but not holiday.

 

I'm honestly expecting the Flare climax in mid June with the league mid August into September. This way we have an episode or two for wrap up end of September early October.

 

Anyway, watched S'il-vous-plaît Panic!! (love that title). It was cute. Nothing else really note worthy other than Clemont putting a tracking device into a band-aid. Seriously, thats creepy.

[Astro Dude]

Yea, its pretty weird that Serebii hasn't made any mention of the episode title. MAYBE its not real, but it very likely is imo. As I was saying a page or two back, gym leaders normally get two episodes so Ash needing two goes at the gym makes sense.

 

Also, it would make a ton of sense for Ash to collapse during the battle. Getting 4 vs. episodes over 5 weeks is a LOT so they are clearly building to something.

Indeed. I was checking Filb.de for the preview of the episode but so far nothing.

[~British Soul~]

If you want to find the preview for the next episode, just search "Pokémon XYZ episode 26" on YT, so much easier than going onto filb.de tbph.

 

@Flame Dragon:: Well, regardless of when the Flare climax happens, Squishy will still be with the group as it will appear in the next movie, heck we can pretty much ascertain that something will happen to Z2 on that island and we'll see it in the movie.

 

EDIT: Two new episode titles:

Episode 925: Ash-Greninja vs Mega Abomasnow! The Giant Water Shuriken Triggers!! (June 2nd)

Episode 926: Find Carbink! Goodra and Dedenne!! (June 9th)

 

So we have a different episode title from the one a few days ago, but from the looks of things, Wulfric will be mega evolving in the second match, and we have Carbink's TV debut, it'll be interesting to see what happens in that episode, but my first impressions is that a Goodra trainer is on the hunt for a Carbink and Dedenne offers a hand. Though the subject of Carbink, I was having a chat with a friend the other day and I said. "What if Ash catches a Carbink? It doesn't evolve so all the development it needs is to its personality and strength as a pokemon".

[Astro Dude]

OBJECTION!

 

You can't have two Gym Leaders with Mega Evolution. Besides, where's Wulfric's Key stone and Abomasnow's Mega Stone?

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Korrina was the only one who Mega Evolved (well, she's the one connected to the Tower of Mastery), but there doesn't appear to be a rule that says another Gym Leader cannot have a Mega too (and Abomasnow is certainly capable of it). The Kalos E4 all can do it in anime (except Drasna if I remember). 

 

We can assume that he already had a Key Stone from sometime before his debut (same with Abomasnow's Mega Stone); where he got it from, I don't know. 

 

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If Ash catches a Carbink, it'll break the pattern of him having a Grass type on him, but it'll be the first Fairy he ever catches. (Assuming movie 17 is canon enough that he remembers what one looks like)

[~British Soul~]

Yeah, if the Kalos E4 can have megas (when they didn't have one in the games), what's stopping the writers giving other gym leaders megas, and I think this is a good way to end Ash's badge obtaining quest. Perhaps Wulfric recently got the mega stone/key stone or he opts not to use it against certain trainers. (I'd like to think it's the former) Either way, a summary I read says that Ash has matured following the Route 20 episode and draws upon his experience thus far

As for the other episode, I read a summary that says they're stopping by the wetlands where Goodra lives (should've realised this judging by the title) and a Carbink is there going on a rampage causing trouble, thus Ash, Goodra and the other wetlands mons attempt to stop it before TR shows up.