Super Smash Bros. 3DS/Wii U

[Toffee.]

All I want is Captain Falcon and Ness back into Smash and then I will sell my soul to Nintendo to this game.

Wasn't Captain Falcon in one of the trailers? O,o

[Shradow]

Captain Falcon isn't confirmed, but something of note is that Samurai Goroh is still an Assist Trophy. Also, when talking about balancing for SSB4, Sakurai used Captain Falcon as an example.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I never really noticed anything wrong with this ZSS.... I thought she looked like a superhero/superspy. I think she looks cool now. :)

[Agro]

The weird angle could easily be due to it being a game.

Then the problem is portrayal? That's the problem I have with it.

 

And I know full well that heels often have raised fronts. That isn't the point. The point is that if you remove the front lift andan equal amount from the back you wouldn't even have an inch of hight from what I can tell. Those aren't high heels.

Except it's more than an inch. You're assuming the foot ends when you can't see it, which is completely wrong.

 

 

The foot goes AT LEAST to the bottom of the dark blue.

 

 

But let's stop talking semantics. They're at least platform shoes with a high heel, and it's certainly designed to make it LOOK like high heels. And no matter what they are, the design is still in no way a good combat design. All the pressure of the whole body is focused on the balls and toes of the feet.
 
 

What would make you think that high heels would even affect her performance in the first place? Dude, she's Samus. They're not impractical for her in the slightest because she's too awesome and athletic for that.

This argument is bad and you should feel bad. "She's Samus" isn't a good argument for why she'd wear a design that isn't good for combat. Being the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, she'd want the design that maximized her abilities. She wouldn't choose something that's detrimental.
 

Despite the heels being uncomfortable by having it more focused in the middle, it does all seem trivial since it is just some jet shoes. At least, you wouldn't be covering much ground running in stiletto high heels, and in this stage, her advantage is using the heel of her shoes as a weapon as well as temporarily levitating off the ground. And of course, the technology would have to be implanted somewhere; likely the underside.

 It's pretty clear the design choice was made aesthetically. You can try to come up with something to make it seem okay, but they could have just as easily made the shoes the same look as previous ZSS but make it jet-powered. Arguing for a diegetic reasoning is basically being an apologist for the creator's aesthetic choices.

 

There's not much doubt the real reason they went with something that resembled high heels:
 

would bang if she had the bunny hood
 
 
But she looks less trashy in the chest and buttock areas which is nice

My thoughts exactly.

 

Need I go on?

[Tentacruel]

They're rocket boots.

 

It's a minor aesthetic detail.  

[Agro]

They're rocket boots.

 

It's a minor aesthetic detail.  

It's not the rocket part I'm talking about.

 

It's arguable if they're even boots.

 

Even if most people guys ignore it as a minor aesthetic detail, it's pretty obvious the idea for it came from a stereotypical, socially-influenced assumption.

 

I just want you to ask yourself: would those "rocket boots" look like they do if ZSS were a guy?

[Shradow]

This argument is bad and you should feel bad. "She's Samus" isn't a good argument for why she'd wear a design that isn't good for combat. Being the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, she'd want the design that maximized her abilities. She wouldn't choose something that's detrimental.

Why does it have to be detrimental? I'm giving an actual reason why it wouldn't affect her, but you're just assuming it's detrimental despite her skills. Maybe that design is good for maximizing her abilites, since she's using the style of fighting we've seen that involves lots of kicking.
 

Need I go on?

I'm not sure why you quoted my part, I was only talking about the second line of his post.
 

I just want you to ask yourself: would those "rocket boots" look like they do if ZSS were a guy?

It's entirely possible. As an example, though they're just his feet and not rocket boots, Raiden from MGS: Revengeance has heels. They're no detriment to him.
 
Anyways, I feel like you're just trying to make a sexist issue out of all of this when there really isn't one.

[Agro]

I feel like you're just trying to make a sexist argument when there really isn't one.

Except it's pretty obvious that it's there if you're willing to look.
 
It's painfully obvious that I'm not going to get very far with all of you just to point it out, so I'll drop it.

I'll just revert to the previous question and leave it at that:

I just want you to ask yourself: would those "rocket boots" look like they do if ZSS were a guy?

[Tentacruel]

Except that you, by pointing that out, are insinuating that the rest of us are misogynists. 

 

It's art.  The artist tries to make something look good.  Your argument is that it is sexist to draw a female character wearing something that is socially considered feminine. 

 

I don't really care, but you have to realize that not everyone will necessarily share that same opinion.  To say that it's "obviously" sexist is an unfair statement. 

[Shradow]

I edited in a response in my previous post regarding that question if she were male.

[Flame Dragon]

Then the problem is portrayal? That's the problem I have with it.

My comment wasn't talking about portrayal. Rather I was talking about how sometimes video games puts the human body in weird positions.
 

Except it's more than an inch. You're assuming the foot ends when you can't see it, which is completely wrong.
 

 
The foot goes AT LEAST to the bottom of the dark blue.

This is what I see. When I look at the back of the heel I see the front being about that high. I do not think the remaining part is high at all.

But let's stop talking semantics. They're at least platform shoes with a high heel, and it's certainly designed to make it LOOK like high heels. And no matter what they are, the design is still in no way a good combat design. All the pressure of the whole body is focused on the balls and toes of the feet.

I will certainly agree that they look like high heels, but I don't see them as such. I wouldn't call these platform shoes though, since I know many boots have a similar amount of lift for the whole foot.

 

There's not much doubt the real reason they went with something that resembled high heels:
 
 
Need I go on?

I'd put money on people making creeper comments regardless of the heels or not. She is an attractive women in a skin tight suit. Its not ok, but the internet is a 15 year old boy, this is the sad reality.

[Agro]

I'd put money on people making creeper comments regardless of the heels or not. She is an attractive women in a skin tight suit. Its not ok, but the internet is a 15 year old boy, this is the sad reality.

Well it's really the heels put in with the rest of the design that makes me have a problem with it. If she were just wearing heels, I'd probably be fine, but the fact that she was already basically a fan service character just kinda makes it worse.

I'm not saying that everyone's a misogynist like Tentacruel assumes. I'm saying that the decision was likely a subconscious one influenced by the society the designers grew up in, and many of us likely accept it for the same reasons. However, to not point it out. To pass it off as "minor aesthetic choices," I feel would be irresponsible. So I pointed it out.

Also, I think you got the angles wrong on your picture. Especially the left foot.

[Tentacruel]

Sorry, it's just that your concerns came off as a bit presumptuous. 

 

I'm just disagreeing that it's a deep seated relic of societal stereotypes.  I think it's fairly obvious that they're supposed to look like heels.  

 

My argument is that I don't think there's really a problem with that.  (At least in this particular case.)

 

Also, they're rocket boots, so they kinda should be angled so she can do that dash more easily.  The spikes make some sense functionally. 

[Flame Dragon]

Also, I think you got the angles wrong on your picture. Especially the left foot.

 

 

The left foot was harder to get a base line for because of how its angled. I think the right one shows my point better anyway though. 

 

 

Either way, I think we've said all we can on this subject, so lets move on to a new one. 

 

I've been talking  a lot about new characters and who will and won't be cut so this reaches into a new topic. How many characters do you tihnk the game will have. My projections puts it at around 41/42, just a bit over Brawl's 37/39. 

[Tentacruel]

The left foot was harder to get a base line for because of how its angled. I think the right one shows my point better anyway though. 

 

 

Either way, I think we've said all we can on this subject, so lets move on to a new one. 

 

I've been talking  alot about new characters and who will and won't be cut so this reaches into a new topic. How many characters do you tihnk the game will have. My projections puts it at around 41/42, just a bit over Brawl's 37/39. 

 

I would say that estimate is a bit high, but it looks like they're bringing back a lot of [s]clones[/s] old fighters like Toon Link and stuff.

 

I think 42 is a good number. 

[goddamnit names are a pain]

I would wear those boots

if my outfit matched it

 

they look pretty dang cool IMO

at first glance they seemed like heels but once I looked at the details in them and how short the heel gap is (at least IMO) they just seem like some styling robot shoes of some kind.

 

The only thing I wouldn't like would be the open foot

but otherwise they'd look like running shoes =\

[Shradow]

Had to leave for a couple hours but I have a couple of last thoughts on the subject.

 

The rocket boots have heels. So what? Peach, Zelda, and Rosalina are wearing long dresses, is that sexist? They should obviously fight in something that should maximize their combat effectiveness just because they're in a fighting game, right?

 

And don't act like Samus is the only character who's portrayed in a possibly sexual manner.

 

 

Look at dat ass. Captain Falcon also appears to be wearing somewhat tight spandex.

[Tentacruel]

Had to leave for a couple hours but I have a couple of last thoughts on the subject.

 

The rocket boots have heels. So what? Peach, Zelda, and Rosalina are wearing long dresses, is that sexist? They should obviously fight in something that should maximize their combat effectiveness just because they're in a fighting game, right?

 

And don't act like Samus is the only character who's portrayed in a possibly sexual manner.

 

 

Look at dat ass. Captain Falcon also appears to be wearing somewhat tight spandex.

 

10/10 would bang. 

[Shradow]

As for character number, I'd expect low 40s, 45 at an optimistic max.

[Βyakuya]

Sorry to add on, but just to close onto the ZSS high heel jets issue (pardon the language):

 

[Toffee.]

Guys, if they reveal that one of Megaman's costumes is Box Art Megaman, this will be everyone, all at once, in perfect unison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnAYgNnA5A0

[Agro]

Guys, if they reveal that one of Megaman's costumes is Box Art Megaman, this will be everyone, all at once, in perfect unison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnAYgNnA5A0

What if the skins are really every single one of the Mega Mans that appear in the final smash.

DUDE WHAT IF I CAN PLAY AS ANY OF THE MEGA MANS?

[Tourmaline]

What if the skins are really every single one of the Mega Mans that appear in the final smash.

DUDE WHAT IF I CAN PLAY AS ANY OF THE MEGA MANS?

Armz's reaction to this possibility:

[Shradow]

What if the skins are really every single one of the Mega Mans that appear in the final smash.

DUDE WHAT IF I CAN PLAY AS ANY OF THE MEGA MANS?

 

THAT WOULD BE ADORABLE. It'd be like playing as a chibi version of all of them, you know, so they don't change hitboxes.

 

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYQs5erkYxM

 

Speaking of blue, I wonder what the Blue Shell item does. We saw a glimpse of it when it was showing Halberd as one of the WiiU stages.

[Agro]

Speaking of blue, I wonder what the Blue Shell item does. We saw a glimpse of it when it was showing Halberd as one of the WiiU stages.

WILD guess: maybe it goes after the player in first and insta-kills them because F*CK IT, why not?