Super Smash Bros. 3DS/Wii U

[Jake the Sage]

One can argue it has 9 since Wario and Yoshi are both core Mario franchise characters even if they have their own spinoff games.

 

You could, but I only count Yoshi as he is still a supporting cast while Wario really isn't.

[Flame Dragon]

You could, but I only count Yoshi as he is still a supporting cast while Wario really isn't.

Personally, I think Wario is still tied close enough to Mario that he is still an extension of the franchise, though he has certainly branched out a lot more than Yoshi so I get why you wouldn't count him.

 

I mean TECHNICALLY DK is also part of the Mario franchise, but that connection is FAR more tenuous.

[Agro]

There's no reason to add any more pokémon as DLC in THIS game unless it's Ivysaur and Squirtle.

 

Again, the DLC so far has only been 3rd Party characters and returners and Sakurai was clear in the direction he wants to go with it. Not everything is up for grabs here.

 

Unless Sceptile won the ballot, he's probably not getting in.

 

Next game tho 

[Cherz]

Am I the only one who voted Teddiursa on the polls?

 

#Teddiursa4Sm4sh

[Flame Dragon]

Again, the DLC so far has only been 3rd Party characters and returners and Sakurai was clear in the direction he wants to go with it. Not everything is up for grabs here.

 

Unless Sceptile won the ballot, he's probably not getting in.

 

Next game tho 

Where are you getting that Sakurai wants the DLC to be returning characters and 3rd party? I mean, sure, thats what we have now, but I don't think thats enough to get to that conclusion. That is, unless he actually did state something along those lines and I'm just not remembering. If that is the case, mind pointing me to where he said that?

 

All that said, Sceptile is a long shot. I'm just enjoying rooting for the underdog. My personal vote was for K.Rool who I'd LOVE to see make it simply because Sakurai is likely to do something really cool with him.

[Agro]

Where are you getting that Sakurai wants the DLC to be returning characters and 3rd party? I mean, sure, thats what we have now, but I don't think thats enough to get to that conclusion. That is, unless he actually did state something along those lines and I'm just not remembering. If that is the case, mind pointing me to where he said that?

 

All that said, Sceptile is a long shot. I'm just enjoying rooting for the underdog. My personal vote was for K.Rool who I'd LOVE to see make it simply because Sakurai is likely to do something really cool with him.

Sakurai wants the DLC to be only fanservice. On that alone, it crosses off a majority of the possible cast under Nintendo's umbrella. There are still possibilities. Characters we haven't seen in a while but are still stupidly popular, for example, like King K Rool. As well as characters blowing up right now that would be cool in the game, such as the Inkling.

 

But past that, fanservice as a term is more clearly delineated by what DLC characters have been announced: returning fighters that many players wanted back, like Mewtwo, Roy, and Lucas, and 3rd party characters many would not have expected, like Ryu and Cloud.

 

Which is why I'm saying something like Sceptile, which is a well liked character but not all that special, is only likely to get in by way of the ballot. He's not really all that "fanservicey" like a returning character or big name 3rd party character would be.

 

This is why I think it's more likely that in this (possibly) final announcement, we're probably getting Wolf, one character from the ballot (and I guess maybe two?), and as a crazy long shot because YOLO: Pichu.

[Flame Dragon]

Sakurai wants the DLC to be only fanservice. On that alone, it crosses off a majority of the possible cast under Nintendo's umbrella. There are still possibilities. Characters we haven't seen in a while but are still stupidly popular, for example, like King K Rool. As well as characters blowing up right now that would be cool in the game, such as the Inkling.

 

But past that, fanservice as a term is more clearly delineated by what DLC characters have been announced: returning fighters that many players wanted back, like Mewtwo, Roy, and Lucas, and 3rd party characters many would not have expected, like Ryu and Cloud.

 

Which is why I'm saying something like Sceptile, which is a well liked character but not all that special, is only likely to get in by way of the ballot. He's not really all that "fanservicey" like a returning character or big name 3rd party character would be.

 

This is why I think it's more likely that in this (possibly) final announcement, we're probably getting Wolf, one character from the ballot (and I guess maybe two?), and as a crazy long shot because YOLO: Pichu.

Fair enough.

 

I do think Wolf has good odds given the other characters that have made it and I'd put two other characters from the ballot as getting on. I think we have a shot at another, but I don't think it will be Pichu.

[Agro]

what are you talking about, it'll totally be pichu. and he'll be broke af

[Flame Dragon]

Since I seemed to have monopolized the ballot discussion with Sceptile talk, and with the direct being tomorrow, lets go over our top 5 picks for characters to get in. For me

 

1) Wolf: After mulling it over I feel like he's a lock. Of all the remaining veterans he easily has the best shot and with Sakurai seemingly bringing back as many as he can, I feel like he'll make it.

 

2) King K. Rool: Super nostalgic and popular character. He gives the game another new villain and I imagine some really cool things can be done with his moveset. DK only has 2 reps and for as big as the franchise is I think it deserves one more. Dixie would be the other option, but I just think he'll be way cooler.

 

3) Inkling: The simple fact is that they are SUPER popular right now. They are totally brand new IP and I can really see Nintendo wanting to continue to push them.

 

4) Sceptile: Humans are by nature pattern completetieonists and Water Start + Fire Starter REALLY make people want a Grass type to finish the cycle. With OR/AS still pretty fresh, 3rd gen never having had a Smash rep, and his return to the anime I feel like this is the best time for him to get in. That being sad, I know Pokemon already having 6 characters does make it crowded, but I still think he has a real chance.

 

5) Banjo & Kazooie: Of all the 3rd party characters they could pick, I feel like they have the best odds by a lot. We already know Microsoft would be willing and the recent deal for Minecraft actually makes this seem WAY more likely then it might have a month ago.

 

So yea, we know we have at least 2 more slots open, but I feel like doing a ballot means we'd get at least a few characters from it so I think we have a real chance at getting a few more past that.

[Airride]

what are you talking about, it'll totally be pichu. and he'll be broke af

This is what I want to happen. A super high Risk/Reward character that pisses everybody off but is fun to play as. Higher damage than pikachu, faster, but gets killed by a paper cut and gives himself multiple paper cuts from his own attacks.

It'll be funny af.

 

Also want wolf back, because he's fun to play as in brawl. One of my mains there, actually.

[Shradow]

Is anyone here a good Sheik that can help me with my Ganondorf/Sheik matchup?

[Progenitor]

Is anyone here a good Sheik that can help me with my Ganondorf/Sheik matchup?

 

Wait are you asking for tips for fighting Ganon using Sheik or vise versa?

 

This is what I want to happen. A super high Risk/Reward character that pisses everybody off but is fun to play as. Higher damage than pikachu, faster, but gets killed by a paper cut and gives himself multiple paper cuts from his own attacks.

It'll be funny af.

 

Also want wolf back, because he's fun to play as in brawl. One of my mains there, actually.

 

I think a Brawl Minus style Pichu would be stellar.  Granted Brawl Minus was designed to make every character so broken that the game is balanced, but in that game Pichu could either tap the button for regular versions of his moves, but for most of them you could hold the button for a somewhat slower, more powerful version at the cost of self damage.

 

In theory of concept it was actually a really great way to implement self damage in a more controlled fashion, and it made Pichu the craziest glass cannon you could ever conceive in that game.  His combo game was absurd thanks to the mod's increased hitstun and his quick tapping moves, and then you could finish your combo with a powerful end series.  Brawl Minus Pichu is the master of 0 to deaths, but if not used in the hands of an expert he can get absolutely obliterated by everyone if you make just a single slip up.

[Shradow]

Wait are you asking for tips for fighting Ganon using Sheik or vise versa?

 

Vice versa. I've got the Ganondorf, I'm asking if anyone here plays a mean Sheik.

[Progenitor]

Vice versa. I've got the Ganondorf, I'm asking if anyone here plays a mean Sheik.

 

My sheik is garbage, but at the very least I know how to pay sheik.

Ganon vs. Sheik is tough for the former.  He doesn't have the speed to keep up with Sheik.  She doesn't have a whole lot of options to control the neutral, an area where Ganon dominates.  However, the tools she does have are enough to completely shut Ganon down, since he lacks any form of super/heavy armor or speed.  The main thing I'm getting at are needles.  

 

Sheik has the speed to comfortably camp with needles if they don't feel comfortable diving headfirst into neutral exchanges.  Ganon doesn't have the ground speed to keep up with her, and in the air he's a sitting duck for Sheik's bread and butter: air strings.  That being said, your options seems a bit limited, but that's not actually true.  See, while needles may be extremely annoying, they don't actually do a whole lot in terms of setups.  You best bet when playing Ganon is to just be even more patient than your opponent, and this rule generally applies to all of his matchups.  

 

Take it slow.  Perfect Shield all the needles as you approach slowly and decisively.  This puts an insane amount of pressure on your opponent, especially if they have their back to the ledge.  Once you corner them, remain patient and watch their escape.  Try again.  Look at their escape.  Repeat.  Try to pick out habits (good or bad) every time this happens, and then punish them for it.  Ganon already is designed as a read-heavy punish character.  He doesn't have speed or combos because he doesn't really need them.  His up smash does like 25%.  You land 4, the stock is generally gone.  That's insane.  So in this process, all you have to do is catch the Sheik off guard once or twice, get some damage on, then finish it with one final read.

 

That's generally how to go about that matchup anyway.

[Shradow]

Yeah, sounds pretty spot on from my experience. I bring it up because I just barely lost to a really good Sheik in the finals of one of the tournaments the new eSports club on campus did as a test run, and I realize I haven't actually practiced the matchup that much.

[Lonk]

It's fake, but I would definitely be okay with this if this is leak was real http://imgur.com/a/0qPA4

 

Unfortunately, it's fake because 'Uncontrollable' was shown twice and the BiS tracks are already used in other stages in the Wii U version.

[Progenitor]

It's fake because Corneria is already on the 3DS version, and Sakurai already said that, aside from Battlefield, FD, DLC stages, etc, the 3DS and Wii U versions will not share a lot of stages.

 

There's no reason to port Corneria up to the Wii U since they already have Lylat and Orbital Gate Assault. 

[Lonk]

You do realize that it shows Sector Z and not Corneria, correct?  But regardless, the sound select of the stages is how I could tell it was faker than a $3 bill.

[Toffee.]

Guys, Wolf is confirmed for Smash

[spoiler=srsly]

 

[Progenitor]

You do realize that it shows Sector Z and not Corneria, correct?  But regardless, the sound select of the stages is how I could tell it was faker than a $3 bill.

 

My bad, I never played Smash 64.  Didn't know there was a stage called Sector Z in that game.

 

However Orbital Gate Assault, while being from a different game, is essentially the exact same mission from Star Fox 64's Sector Z.  Not only that, but fro what I've read Sector Z is the exact same stage as what we now know as Corneria, so my previous argument still stands.

[Fusion X. Denver]

That's a damn shame, because I freaking love Corneria. 

It feels like a no-brainer to me for DLC stage packs offering Wii U ones for 3DS and vice-versa. Would 3DS hardware not be able to handle some of the Wii U exclusives or what?

[vla1ne]

That's a damn shame, because I freaking love Corneria. 

It feels like a no-brainer to me for DLC stage packs offering Wii U ones for 3DS and vice-versa. Would 3DS hardware not be able to handle some of the Wii U exclusives or what?

the stages in general would be pretty simple to switch, but the stage effects would have to be far less frequent and far less detailed to port many of them over to the 3ds. the plaza and MII stages would be two that i'd love to have though.

[Progenitor]

Apparently the maintenance update was just datamined by the same dude who found the Roy and Ryu leaks a day early.  He found...something.  However he thankfully refuses to say exactly what he's found.  You might want to ban yourself from every possible medium for the next 20 hours or so just in case though.

[vla1ne]

Apparently the maintenance update was just datamined by the same dude who found the Roy and Ryu leaks a day early.  He found...something.  However he thankfully refuses to say exactly what he's found.  You might want to ban yourself from every possible medium for the next 20 hours or so just in case though.

thank you for the advice. this is one thing i really do want to be genuinely surprised by.

[Toffee.]

I think this will be the most accurate:

 

Ironically I'm going to miss like all the hype, but I just want to know the ballot winner.