I Hate Snatch Steal Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I spent a few hours trying to dig up anything concrete on that picture of Tails I posted earlier, and I found something interesting: I was looking at downloadable content for smash 4 here, and found this page detailing updates: http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_updates_%28SSB4-3DS%29 The 1.0.3 link linked me here: http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2kigpk/dantarions_datamining_of_100102103/ Then I found this link on the site that contributed data to the reddit post above (http://opensa.dantarion.com): http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/ The above link appears to be a list of all the files in SSB4 3ds, and guess what? Mewtwo's data isn't in there except as a trophy (note the directory structure that contains "mewtwo" doesn't contain "fighter" it contains "figure") Tails doesn't show up anywhere that would make him an assist trophy or a playable character based on this analysis. This most likely means that Nintendo can still update this game and add whoever and whatever they want in future patches, assuming they want to follow what they stated here about Mewtwo: http://www.ssbwiki.com/Downloadable_content This may all be old news, but I only just started researching this game in detail today tl;dr Anyone can still be included in smash 4 given how content can be added after release, so keep hoping everyone ( : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Oh hey, they could totally add Goku now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Personally I'm sticking with Brawl. With the right tools, Smash 4's 50 characters (as someone above said) is a drop in the bucket: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.phpMy understanding is full custom characters still don't run that well in Brawl. Not to mention your at the mercy of the people making them. As far as I know, falcon is now at least 10 times more famous for smash than his own series by now. it's somewhat sad when you think of if from the standpoint of his original franchise, but that's the best thing about this game, it builds interest in the characters included. I'm willing to bet that if captain falcon got a new game now, it would sell an extremely well simply due to his inclusion in smash.Agree on both counts. Falcon has become hugely popular thanks to Smash and its a shame Nintendo hasn't done anything with his series for so long. I spent a few hours trying to dig up anything concrete on that picture of Tails I posted earlier, and I found something interesting: I was looking at downloadable content for smash 4 here, and found this page detailing updates:http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_updates_(SSB4-3DS) The 1.0.3 link linked me here:http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2kigpk/dantarions_datamining_of_100102103/ Then I found this link on the site that contributed data to the reddit post above (http://opensa.dantarion.com): http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/ The above link appears to be a list of all the files in SSB4 3ds, and guess what? Mewtwo's data isn't in there except as a trophy (note the directory structure that contains "mewtwo" doesn't contain "fighter" it contains "figure") Tails doesn't show up anywhere that would make him an assist trophy or a playable character based on this analysis. This most likely means that Nintendo can still update this game and add whoever and whatever they want in future patches, assuming they want to follow what they stated here about Mewtwo:http://www.ssbwiki.com/Downloadable_content This may all be old news, but I only just started researching this game in detail today What part of "3rd party franchises get 1 rep" don't you get. Tail has actual 0% chance of making it in. I'm almost certain that as long as Smash Bros. exists, Captain Falcon will exist in it. It perpetuates his existence now, even without F-Zero.As I said before, I'd rather characters get in on there own merit, but history is hard to ignore. Its why Jigs won't go away and if she stays around Falcon will for sure since he is WAY more popular than her. He just doesn't bug me as much since I can totally see F-Zero having been a big enough series in the past to call for his inclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I feel like we're not going to get any DLC characters because Sakurai has mentioned they're not going to be continuously fine-tuning the game since it'd be a lot of egregious effort. In a Game Informer interview he mentioned it was hard enough working out the kinks with Mewtwo, so I can't see them going through the trouble again multiple times for other characters. I think we could get DLC stages though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I like it when I beat someone with Little Mac and then they switch to him, I guess because they think he's ez mode or something, then I crush them in a mirror match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 All I REALLY want to see from DLC is Beta Mode and Alpha modes for all stages. If I haven't iterated this all to you already: Beta Mode: Everything is Battlefield... or "Betafield" lawl Alpha Mode: No walkoffs, hazards, unfair dropoffs in transitions, too large stages, no caves of life, no DANGERZONES... etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 "3rd party franchises get [only] 1 rep".... what's your proof that this is true and not a popular rumor? e.g. Did a developer say this explicitly and if so link or it didn't happen. edit: Don't answer that unless you want to: I don't personally care about this whole mess anymore, but I think its a good idea in general to question where this 1 rep idea came from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I think I've found my combatant against Zamus: Luigi. Also had the best time online this morning. Faced this guy, can't remember his name unfortunately, for at least a dozen matches. My Little Mac vs his Falco back and forth, we probably had about as close to a 50/50 matchup as you could get. Super fun games, and I used the aerial KO punch buffer to good effect. The coolest match (for me at least) was when we were both on our last life but I had about 50% damage while he had none. I use the buffered aerial KO punch to recover and hit him for some good damage, though obviously not a KO. He recovers right into my Fsmash, then he hits me off the edge. I use the side B to recover just as he goes to try and gimp my recovery, but I hit him right as I grab the ledge, knocking him into the lip on the bottom of the stage and bouncing him down for the win. It all happened in about 5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I think I've found my combatant against Zamus: Luigi. Also had the best time online this morning. Faced this guy, can't remember his name unfortunately, for at least a dozen matches. My Little Mac vs his Falco back and forth, we probably had about as close to a 50/50 matchup as you could get. Super fun games, and I used the aerial KO punch buffer to good effect. The coolest match (for me at least) was when we were both on our last life but I had about 50% damage while he had none. I use the buffered aerial KO punch to recover and hit him for some good damage, though obviously not a KO. He recovers right into my Fsmash, then he hits me off the edge. I use the side B to recover just as he goes to try and gimp my recovery, but I hit him right as I grab the ledge, knocking him into the lip on the bottom of the stage and bouncing him down for the win. It all happened in about 5 seconds. Great stuff, mate. We should do LM dittos at some point. Also if he can get the same distance from his up and side specials if he buffers an aerial, I am ALL for that. xD I'll test it out~ @Snatch Steal - The thing is, Nintendo already doesn't put a lot of 3rd party characters, and historically, Smash has never had more than1 3rd party character per franchise. I doubt it's an official statement, but it makes sense logically that they wouldnt have a 3rd party series with 2 reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I tested that out earlier, btw. Either the timing is different from his KO punch and I was just doing it wrong, because I can do the KO punch buffer pretty consistently, it's not hard, or it doesn't work with his up and side specials. :( There's no way we'd get a second third party rep for a series before other first party series (Samurai Goroh for SSB5 pl0x) get a second rep.I'd be up for some games any time today, just give the word. Als, whenever we start, turn on voice chat because I want to try it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I tested that out earlier, btw. Either the timing is different from his KO punch and I was just doing it wrong, because I can do the KO punch buffer pretty consistently, it's not hard, or it doesn't work with his up and side specials. :( There's no way we'd get a second third party rep for a series before other first party series (Samurai Goroh for SSB5 pl0x) get a second rep. I'd be up for some games any time today, just give the word. Als, whenever we start, turn on voice chat because I want to try it out. Aight. I AM free until 2 PM, cuz then I got work, but idk if it's better for you to play now, or later on tonight XP Also yeah, I was disappointed that it didn't seem to work. I mean, it can go REALLY far on ground. Also someone had this to say I know the title is weird, but it's the best thing I got. I'm training up my Mac skills as best I can for a local tourney, when I found something weird. When I came back to the stage, I used my counter out of randomness, when Mac just took off into the sky. Unfortunately, I left the game in no contest so I couldn't save the clip (stupid me, yes I know). I tried for 2 hours to redo that move, but it could just have been a bug, or there's actually a way to do this as well. If anyone has seen this, please let me know so it's not just an isolated incident, and if you need more info, I'll be happy to tell you all I can. What I can remember: Had used up my second jump (even if I didn't, this shot little mac higher than any jump I can make without items) Falling from left of FD Opponent was still on stage (no where close to me at the time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Oh yeah, I saw that post. Not sure what to make of it.And we can play now if you're up to it, if we wait until tonight I could very easily forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Oh yeah, I saw that post. Not sure what to make of it. And we can play now if you're up to it, if we wait until tonight I could very easily forget. Alright, lets go ;D Create the match EDIT: I swear, Little Mac dittos are the funniest things. EDIT2: Something tells me you don't like my Villager XP Good games tho XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Might as well drop the pretenses, Villager is bullshit. Spam the slingshot all day and there's nothing I can do about it, and he literally can't be killed if an attack doesn't outright smash him past the blastlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Might as well drop the pretenses, Villager is bullshit. Spam the slingshot all day and there's nothing I can do about it, and he literally can't be killed if an attack doesn't outright smash him past the blastlines. I'm sorry ^^'' I promise I won't use him next time x-x'' But I will tell you this, Villager definitely has a weakness. At least my playstyle does, and that's if the opponent plays a patient game, and doesn't allow themselves to get overwhelmed by the slingshot, it's very easy to shieldgrab, or punish. Especially since the slingshot has a fair amount of endlag. His recovery IS pretty OP tho, but if he is forced to keep using it in rapid succession, it will decrease rapidly in duration, to the point the ballons won't even last a second. =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Don't you dare not fucking use him. And I try to approach, but those damn turnips have the most ridiculous hitboxes I've seen since Snake, and any ending lag is mitigated by the near lack of startup lag, your slingshot will blot out the sun. I just can't stand the fact I'm literally helpless against 2 moves, it's not just a matter of it being a hard fight, I can deal with that. The Little Mac mirrors were fun, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Don't you dare not fucking use him. And I try to approach, but those damn turnips have the most ridiculous hitboxes I've seen since Snake, and any ending lag is mitigated by the near lack of startup lag, your slingshot will blot out the sun. I just can't stand the fact I'm literally helpless against 2 moves, it's not just a matter of it being a hard fight, I can deal with that. The Little Mac mirrors were fun, though. So you wanna learn the matchup in the future, or? x-x'' And yeah, admittedly turnips are silly, with almost no startup lag and lingering hitboxes that make gimping easy. See, I kept using Villager, because when I'm up against a character I can't beat, I keep wanting to try to find a way around it. So I didn't know if that was the same for you or not ^^'' Ganon and Ike ARE pretty bad matchups for Villager. At the very least, someone like Falco can make Villager play more safe, due to having a reflector, and a projectile of his own. Also you should watch out for Villager's nair as well, it's got a lingering htibox, very little startup lag, and can be good for fair and dair followups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yeah, that nair kept murdering me under the stage because you can just follow someone off the edge even until you're magnified and just fly back no problem. >.> And I can't practice to beat it if you don't use it. My Falco's not good enough that practicing with him would be practical, and I've lost interest in him since Brawl anyways. I've felt this way from the beginning but back then you weren't good enough to render me completely helpless, now you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yeah, that nair kept murdering me under the stage because you can just follow someone off the edge even until you're magnified and just fly back no problem. >.> And I can't practice to beat it if you don't use it. Alright, well I won't refrain from using him in the future then ^.^ Yoshi IS good against Villager tho, cuz Villager can't gimp him as easily due to the super armor, and the nature of his non-even jumps. I DID like that fair to nair then nair to fair that I did to your Ike when you were ahead. I was like "<333" EDIT: Thank you ^,^ I've been practicing <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I figured Yoshi might do well, that one game just went so poorly right off the bat I wanted to end things quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I noticed X.x What other characters do you main? Because I saw you using Greninja, and I know for a fact characters like Greninja/Sheik/ZSS are definitely trouble for Villager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Characters I'm actively playing and keeping in practice with: Ike, Bowser, Ganondorf, Yoshi, Captain Falcon Characters I used to play a lot but am rusty with: Kirby, King Dedede, Peach, Luigi, Falco, Toon Link Characters I've recently picked up and are still practicing: Little Mac, Bowser Jr., Greninja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Characters I'm actively playing and keeping in practice with: Ike, Bowser, Ganondorf, Yoshi, Captain Falcon Characters I used to play a lot but am rusty with: Kirby, King Dedede, Peach, Luigi, Falco, Toon Link Characters I've recently picked up and are still practicing: Little Mac, Bowser Jr., Greninja Yeah, Falco and Greninja are probably your best bets. You should try to get a counterpick main x.x Most of your characters are weak against Villager and Megaman, etc But Yoshi IS there so there's that o3o That double jump armor is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've never counterpicked in any game, I just play what I like and go from there, if it happens to be a bad/good matchup then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've never counterpicked in any game, I just play what I like and go from there, if it happens to be a bad/good matchup then so be it. An interesting way to play, so you'll just play your best wiht the characters you like, to the point you're able to beat your bad matchups? :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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