Agro Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 How's Villager in your rankings? xP If I disclude everything that hasn't been used more than 50 times, he's #11. Otherwise #16. [spoiler='To remind you of my rankings atm here's a list'] T10 w/o >50 uses is: 1. Sonic 2. Diddy Kong 3. Rosalina 4. Fox 5. Ness 6. Ganondorf 7. Luigi 8. Little Mac 9. Shiek 10. Mario T10 with those characters included is: 1. Sonic 2. Diddy Kong 3. Robin 4. Rosalina 5. Fox 6. Ness 7. Dark Pit 8. Marth 9. Lucina 10. Ganondorf [/spoiler] I'm still figuring out how often I'm going to be updating these rankings. Edit: Note that since these rankings, several >50 characters have gotten above so rankings will look different next time I update. Probably gonna be thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If I disclude everything that hasn't been used more than 50 times, he's #11. Otherwise #16. [spoiler='To remind you of my rankings atm here's a list'] T10 w/o >50 uses is: 1. Sonic 2. Diddy Kong 3. Rosalina 4. Fox 5. Ness 6. Ganondorf 7. Luigi 8. Little Mac 9. Shiek 10. Mario T10 with those characters included is: 1. Sonic 2. Diddy Kong 3. Robin 4. Rosalina 5. Fox 6. Ness 7. Dark Pit 8. Marth 9. Lucina 10. Ganondorf [/spoiler] I'm still figuring out how often I'm going to be updating these rankings. Edit: Note that since these rankings, several >50 characters have gotten above so rankings will look different next time I update. Probably gonna be thursday. And this is all based on tournament stuff right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 And this is all based on tournament stuff right? So far it's entirely based on tournament appearances vs tournament placement. Which, as I've stated before, could be better. But to make a real tier list the way I'd 100% want, I'd need the win % of every character vs every other character in any given tournament, which isn't as impossible as it impractical. Though if the information is available, I'm considering going through every match at Apex and trying to make something out of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 So far it's entirely based on tournament appearances vs tournament placement. Which, as I've stated before, could be better. But to make a real tier list the way I'd 100% want, I'd need the win % of every character vs every other character in any given tournament, which isn't as impossible as it impractical. Though if the information is available, I'm considering going through every match at Apex and trying to make something out of that. I'm pretty sure they'll release a sort of tier list after APEX. At the very least, after EVO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 from the characters I actually use I can tell this much (prepare for scrub infodump):Pikachu might have been buffed on his follow-up attacks, but his core play feels much different in comparison to brawl/melee, which is probably what contributes to him getting beaten at tournaments more often. his attacking speed was upped overall, but he lacks respectable knockback to followup on for ground kills, and while his airgame is good, his damage output isn't really up there with the top fighters in the current game.jigs is actually pretty tough, but the rest nerf can be felt even by casuals. strangely, I've won more online with jiggly than with any other character aside from robin and maybe falcon.speaking of (REEEED)Robin, (YUUMM!!!) I can't really gauge him/her, my results vary from matchup to matchup, and in 4+ matches, I really don't get as much satisfaction as I do in 1 on 1 due to running out or spells faster. also, nosferatu is undisputedly the most useless move in the game. it catches exactly once in a blue moon, the healing it grants is minimal, and missing WILL get you heavily punished by your opponent. on another note, at least the taunts are fun.captain falcon is better this game from what I've seen and played of him, his air knee actually gets kills/followups consistently after about 60-80% on a sweetspot and his falcon punch is the most satisfying hit in the world when you sneak it into the face of the unsuspecting people coming up from on the ledge in team matches.I can tell you now that marth is a lot slower than he used to be, but in exchange, it feels like he does hit a bit harder for me. he's still good, but the loss of range has been a problem for me due to his lack of projectiles.lil mac is good, but thanks to nobody that I've faced online being remotely good with him(that forwardB seriously kills most of them more than I ever could) I can say for sure that unless your opponent is a heavy tournament player, standing near the edge and just letting them either forwardB over it or NeutralB past a sidestep will be how many of your matches end. I had to learn that the hard way myself before I stopped doing the work for my opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm pretty sure they'll release a sort of tier list after APEX. At the very least, after EVO. Hopefully. I'm still probably going to go through the Apex listings anyway. I'd take a guess 1 & 2 are going to be Diddy and Sonic either way, but I'm wondering how high people are placing Captain Falcon and Shiek. Both are used a whole hell of a lot, but unlike the prior 2, they both have had issues that put them lower in my rankings than I'd expect. Captain Falcon is like the 3rd most used character and appears in the Top16 & T8 the third most, but after that, for a reason I can't explain, he just disappears from T4. Idk what's up with Shiek. I'm not sure yet if her placement compared to tournaments won is because of pure number of players getting her into the top, or too many bad players SDing her down the rankings. jigs is actually pretty tough, but the rest nerf can be felt even by casuals. strangely, I've won more online with jiggly than with any other character aside from robin and maybe falcon. no joke jigs is #1 in the ranking based only on t16 appearances vs total appearances (and if you include characters with less than 50 appearances total.) Weird. If enough characters get over 50 appearances, I'm just going to make my lists' cutoff point 50 wins, since it's still kind of hard to tell at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Went online for a bit just now and had a 4 way match come down to a sudden death between a lil mac player and a lucina.the mac player uses the ForwardB special at the edge, the lucina player sidesteps, and the sudden death is over without her swinging even once. even though I came in 3rd, that was my favorite match of the day. These are the people lowering lil macs score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Spiking someone into the ground and having them bounce back up for the KO is extremely satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Spiking someone into the ground and having them bounce back up for the KO is extremely satisfying. I love Temple's Fight Club. Scrubs with no skill like me get to do that cool stuff down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Decided to look up Diddy; Didn't know they gave him a plethora of buffs.....That would explain why Diddy suddenly popped up everywhere. Or at least, as far as images go.Personally, I would still say Diddy was better in the last game, since 2 bananas >>>> 1 banana; Being obnoxious as fuck was such a hilarious playstyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 They did? He was plenty strong enough in Brawl. o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 It's Thursday! So I've updated my rankings of the top characters in Super Smash Bros for Wii U. Again, these rankings are based off of how high characters finish in a tournament versus how many are entered total. As several characters have passed the exclusionary 30-use threshold and several characters got over 50-uses, you're going to see quite a few new names on each of the two lists. As last time, I've noted whether or not a character has less than 50 uses in the general list: [spoiler=" Top 15 Characters Including Sub-50 Uses"]1. Robin2. Sonic3. Dark Pit (>50)4. Diddy Kong5. Rosalina6. Ness7. Lucina (>50)8. Fox9. Meta Knight (>50)10. Ganondorf11. Little Mac12. Villager13. Marth (>50)14. Mario15. Jigglypuff (>50)[/spoiler] [spoiler="Top 15 Characters excluding sub-50"]1. Robin2. Sonic3. Diddy Kong4. Rosalina5. Ness6. Fox7. Ganondorf8. Little Mac9. Villager10. Mario11. Luigi12. Shiek13. Zero Suit Samus14. Bowser Jr.15. Donkey Kong[/spoiler] Most underused character on this list is far and away Robin. It's weird how little he's used, really. And that's that for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ganondorf getting some love, word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Ganondorf getting some love, word.He's actually been somewhat of a challenge for me recently to beat. almost everyone I've played that used him knew what they were doing, and that alone made the matches fun. he might move slow, but when he catches you, it's going to hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Been fuckin' around with Captain Falcon recently, mostly with customization turned on. I, [i]maybe[/i], found my second actual Main in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 He's actually been somewhat of a challenge for me recently to beat. almost everyone I've played that used him knew what they were doing, and that alone made the matches fun. he might move slow, but when he catches you, it's going to hurt. One of the cool things from playing primarily heavyweights comes from the feeling of completely turning things around with a well placed big hit. It's like a comeback KO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 He's actually been somewhat of a challenge for me recently to beat. almost everyone I've played that used him knew what they were doing, and that alone made the matches fun. he might move slow, but when he catches you, it's going to hurt.Ganon's Side+B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Ganon's Side+B So glad that they didn't make it like Bowser's and have Ganondorf die first if you suicide with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's sad how standard Olimar sucks, but an Olimar with Explosive Pluck, the Pikmin Throw that treats all Pikmin as Purple Pikmin when throwing, Pikmin Orders that gives damage to those who go into direct contact with the Pikmin, and the High Flying Pikmin actually makes Olimar good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 the Pikmin Throw that treats all Pikmin as Purple Pikmin-...This is actually a thing?(I don't ever really touch Olimar, so this would be news to me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I've only ever used Olimar without Pikmin, but that sounds like a really good custom move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I've only ever used Olimar without Pikmin, but that sounds like a really good custom move.DARE I SAY...THAT USING IT.....MAKES YOU FEEL........LIKE A PURPLE PIKMIN!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrvgR-c1VQ For you Link mains Izaw is an inspiration. jesus christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's sad how standard Olimar sucks, but an Olimar with Explosive Pluck, the Pikmin Throw that treats all Pikmin as Purple Pikmin when throwing, Pikmin Orders that gives damage to those who go into direct contact with the Pikmin, and the High Flying Pikmin actually makes Olimar good.Pikman can be very very good in the right hands. I'm betting on him being in the range of Luigi in Melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Pikman can be very very good in the right hands. I'm betting on him being in the range of Luigi in Melee. I've faced a good Olimar He can wreck shit with good spacing and reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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